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Originally written by Archmage Alex:

To Alec, whose post I just read, the idea of any this having anything at all to do with the totally unrelated and none-of-your-business matter of my sexuality honestly hadn't even occurred to me until you suggested it.
I was considering an anticipatory rebuttal to the 'none of my business' bit - that is, that you've made this public fairly recently, and it's not like I'm some kind of traipsing gumshoe bringing to light damned deeds done in the dark - but I decided not to because I figured you wouldn't resort to just straight-up treating it as an insult. So I suppose this is my opportunity to say all of that, then.
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Personally, I think trying to use any of this for such a purpose would be totally ridiculous and recommend against it to anyone.

Well, in that case I apologize; I misconstrued. You'll probably be disappointed to learn that it *is* used for such a purpose quite a bit - in fact, it was the original 'therapy' of choice for homosexuality (back when it appeared in the DSM), along with electroshock. This is the source of my misconstrual - the two aren't unrelated, although I'm willing to presume good faith if you are.

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If you are, by chance, interested in a greater understanding of my point of view, I recommend Joseph Nicolosi's "Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality" and would welcome any reference to the studies and data you base your point of view upon.
My interest in sexology being in a different field and tangential anyway, I'm afraid I have to defer to the expertise of a near-unanimity of the medical and psychiatric community without further comment. I'm of the opinion that it's one of those issues where offering sources for something as banal as 'changing adult sexuality without serious and unmerited psychosexual trauma is infeasible and the results have never clearly outweighed the consequences otherwise' would be like offering sources for 'the world is round and revolves around the sun'. There's no one as high-profile as Gallileo for the basic theory, but it's an inescapable consensus in modern medicine. The dispute is between genetic, developmental, and hormonal/psychiatric models for permanent formation of sexuality. Situational homosexuality aside, there just doesn't seem to be any stable, well-accepted model of sexuality in which what you want is possible.

As I said, though, I'm not an expert - but no expert I'm familiar with in the mainstream of the relevant field agrees with you. It's similar to climate science; I'm aware that there is, for various political and economic reasons, some kind of controversy, but it isn't shared by the experts. The experts *do* disagree widely over many fundamentally important things, but the controversial cleavage society would prefer simply does not exist among mainstream professionals.

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I would like to re-emphasize that that particular matter is totally unrelated, and rather than have this descend into an argument of something that neither of us has much of a likelihood of changing the other's view on, I suggest we agree to disagree and move back the things thread was intended to be about.

I'd like to reemphasize that the relationship was a line of open and uncomfortable conjecture until you cleared it up; that the topic is one of public understanding; and that 'gay' is not, in any respectable community, any kind of slur. Besides that, it's free to drop.

I'm still vigorously skeptical about hypnotherapy, from the literature to the methodology to the results - and I'd like the topic to remain about that for the time being. I regret the error.

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Originally written by Student of Trinity:


So it seems a peculiar emphasis to insist that human brains are 'nothing but' synapses and neurochemicals. The mind-boggling complexity of that many synapses and neurochemicals is easily capable of exhibiting all the phenomena that any non-reductionist mentalist might attribute to immaterial mind. The brain is its own place, and in itself can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heaven. Some psychological hypotheses may seem much more natural with a naive homunculus picture of mind, but that by no means makes them impossible within reductionist substance monism. Brains are weird.

I find that it needs saying with depressing frequency. I accept that the conscious/subconscious/unconscious systematization is useful to an extent, but hypnosis strikes me as well beyond that extent. What Kel describes in his latest post is biofeedback; when undertaken in the spirit of scientific inquiry, it is a decent thing and easy to document and explain, if somewhat challenging to practice. When undertaken in the spirit of wild questing after the nation of ghosts we are trained to believe resides in our brainpan, you usually wind up seeing decent, repeatable claims traduced with mysticist hogwash. The yogis Kel mentions exercise an incredible amount of control over their semiautonomous muscles owing to distinct, fairly well-understood neurological processes that are underused by most (and for good reason) - but few would explain it in those terms, preferring generally an ontology centering around chana/prana/chakras/ki/whatever. (I don't know how Indian mysticism works and I won't pretend to - and it is the latter part, not the former, that distinguishes me from most American yogis.)

The alarming part of this exercise, for me, is the usage to which Alex almost certainly intends to put it. He's previously been involved in a massive tiff over de-gaying, and while I'm open to the suggestion that's not his primary motivator here, it wouldn't be the first time he had expressed a desire to expurgate himself of a sexuality he considers abnormal.

I consider it atrocious, and in light of the tendency for ex-gays to either become crooked MSMs (who, to oversimplify, ruin sex for straights and gays alike) or at the very least lead miserable, unfulfilled, and basically abusive marital lives -- it is an issue beyond just himself and his personal choices. But I am not basically inclined to bring the same criticism I to bear of his personal behavior as I would be in the case of an ex-gay ministry or some other public jackassery.

This is the spirit in which I muttered about the refusal of the intellectual culture here to address the fact of neurochemistry. Desire isn't part of some mystical node of sexual energy, and this is - if my speculations about it are basically correct - another entry in the genre of conscious effort to control preconscious thought. And a deeply politicized one, at that.
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My understanding is that hypnosis is an entirely conscious behavior, and the claims of its advocates are unsupported and largely constructed on the assumption that the brain operates on some level besides neurochemical synapses.

It is very tempting to reify thoughts, feelings, and personalities - to pretend they operate on a level besides the one which our natural science has pinned them to - but it is still inappropriate. We are a beautiful architecture of chemicals, nothing more, and anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is a fool or a liar.

While I cannot recommend Skepdic without serious reservations - like many similar sites and organizations, it is skeptical about things relating to the natural and most human sciences but completely loses its jaundiced, scientific eye when it comes to politics - it has a good writeup of the subject here.
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Basically, this is everything I've been trying to warn people that SW is.
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the sort of historical figure steampunk would dream about if it had ever met a brown man it liked
Is steampunk inherently racist? How so?

Not inherently. But the problem I've always seen is this:

a) It focuses with laser-like precision on Whitey - to be fair, as of 1880 or so the big man on campus was Britain and the scrappy underdog Germany, but then again the Chinese were in a major spate of modernization (with the world's 8th-strongest navy, until Cixi lost interest), and Ethiopia had recently triumphed where the smart money was on Italy. It's always just struck me as odd that steampunk basically throws all of the agency onto upper-class Brits - sometimes lower-class Brits, but it's too much to ask to have a darkie involved. Which brings me to my second point:

b) Given how, out of the wealth of possibilities existing in 'fulfilling the promises the 19th century made for the future', the authors working in steampunk just so happen always to beeline for some European power being just slightly more dominant over everyone - well, there's certainly an element of wish-fulfillment at work there, and it's not a good one.

c) The same subkultur that produces steampunk is generally associated with the fandoms around Lovecraft (whose stories were about the dilution and destruction of civilization by an ancient, fecund race of vicious subhumans) and Howard (whose stories were about the ancient and glorious civilization of the Aryans); it has close ties with generalized geekdom, which has more race issues than you can shake ESR's blog at.

d) Given the above, I don't think I'm really going out on much of a limb saying that most steampunk is gonna have negative racial elements, ranging from subtle to profound. The European empires shot millions and starved millions more; you write a story whose purpose is to fantasize about what it'd be like if they had their hands on *everyone*, and someone's gotta ask a few important questions about what on Earth your motivation is.

Incidentally: it wouldn't be too difficult to basically write the story of Tipu Sultan's last stand to be more or less identical to Nethergate. This means it's bound to happen eventually.

I know how Vogel do.

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I've had a consistent milieu idea for some time, but considering how little interest I have in actually acting on it...

Essentially, there's a few humongous lacunas in the RPG pseudomythos. You could readily create an enormous and engaging world based on Polynesia, the Mesoamericans, the Bantu, or damned near any group in South Asia. On the other hand, only one of those provides me with everything I want out of epic history: intrigue, colonialism, imperial gotterdammerung, whose-God-is-bigger contests, and firearms.

I am of course talking about India, circa 1650-1700. Without any major pseudohistory, the fall of the Mughal Empire and the rise of European dominance would make for an outstanding Nethergate-style RPG history of India. And that's just the best era for it; around the time of Diu, there was a vigorous imperial competition between Portugal and the Ottomans, rather than the fairly homogeneous imperial powers in the 17th century. The last stand of Tipu Sultan is also extremely interesting to me; he was a French client, a foreign auxillary of the Jacobins (in spite of being, you know, a sultan and all), and launched what could pretty easily be called the final serious national resistance to British rule. And he did it with a serious eye to modernization; he was an avid technophile, a military mastermind, a vociferous producer and consumer of gadgets - the sort of historical figure steampunk would dream about if it had ever met a brown man it liked.

The best scenario for something like that would definitely be in the mid-17th, though. The British were just beginning to come ahead among the wide field of European merchants and colonists - not only them and the French, but the Dutch, the Portuguese, and even Denmark. Meanwhile, the Mughal Empire, the go-to imperial power throughout the Subcontinent, had had its last good emperor and was sliding into irrelevance. The most interesting angle is the religious one, per NG - it'd be very easy to cast the goings-on in a supernatural light, the old gods ruling the countryside and God - whether they call him Allah or Christ - ruling the cities.

Add that to all of the absolutely amazing monsters, weapons, and other miscellaneous things - including the 'juggernaut', a massive flaming chariot belonging to one of the Hindu gods (I forget who, exactly, but there was a custom of building the most enormous temple-on-wheels you could and running it through the city teamed to a bunch of horses or oxen during festival days - which lead to the British adoption of the term to describe an unstoppable force destroying everything in its path, as a loose juggernaut chariot would - and, all too often, did.) There's all kinds of weird, interesting stuff in the Indian subcontinent that shows up in a corrupted, less bad-ass form in the modern RPG - the thuggees, the forest monks, pretty much every Hindu deity - that it seems a crime against gaming that this game *hasn't* been made.

Ah well.

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Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon:

If the CIA is going to use this technology to break up terrorist/counterfeit/drug networks without endangering agents that currently have to infiltrate them, I'll sign right up. I'll tell them how I network, and gladly volunteer that test data.
The CIA is and has always been more in the business of paying people to slit throats.

I thought you were smarter than to trust this kind of talk, Salmon; for the most part, the government already has all of the means it could possibly use to gather information on actual criminal organizations. Further powers are generally used for various nasty ends - intimidation, voter suppression, that sort of thing.

There is a tremendous wealth of examples to suggest that in practicality, the people who make a living out of spying are warped, dangerous human beings. At best, they're harmless, perverse voyeurs; at worst, they're generally fascist.

And this ain't a political issue. Handing people more leeway to spy always leads to most of them abusing it. Unless you honestly believe that the only problem with the KGB was its big, bad, mean communist civilian overseers - if only it had been in the free world, like the well-meaning, inoffensive MI5/6 or FBI/CIA.

Furthermore, there's a sort of natural selection process at work: the more leeway you give to spy-orgs to collect information on people without any actual wrongdoing or warrant, the more powerful the sort of person who just takes a voyeuristic pleasure out of spying on their personal or political bugbears is going to be.

J. Edgar Hoover couldn't have come to power without the FBI as it was in his day - an incredibly powerful federal body largely without intraservice oversight, and without the strict regulations on conduct and information-gathering it has now. Similarly, the FBI as it existed in Hoover's day couldn't have been run for long by anyone but some kind of creepy, voyeuristic reactionary. Maybe he wouldn't have been a crossdresser - but then again, if J. Edgar Hoover hadn't spent all that energy getting pretty from time to time, who's to say what other horrible things he might have done?

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I posted this thread on Venganza as well, and so now I'm eating my words in two places.
Evidently one of the natural rights libertarians hold dearest is the right to buy power and monitor everything anyone who crosses their path says or does for any slipup substantial enough to result in public opprobrium and/or legal charges - and in the process use their substantial wealth to prevent anyone but their business colleagues and cronies from acting in the public sphere in any fashion without fear of reprisal.

Or privacy. One of those.

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I don't know... maybe this is just how I've come to understand the factional style, but it really just seems like juggling a bunch of distinct characters at once.
Mmm, if you make it that way. Ideally, though, you only deal with heroes in the beginning; the Imbanism 'armies march, cities burn' is a better way of putting how it's supposed to work.

Essentially, if you catch an enemy hero with his pants down with an army, ideally he should either call in reinforcements, flee, or die. Nobody's going to get a Plot Coupon out of being ambushed by a division in a factional RP. In character RPs, by contrast, armies need plot coupons *not* to get obliterated by single-handed, half-dead heroes.

The difference is in great part who the redshirts are. And once I've got maps for it, it'll be a lot more fun the other way - trust me on this one.
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[qb]I really do recommend Call to Power.

Eh... I feel like that game had so much promise, but in my mind it was an epic failure. The interface overhaul was clunky, the terraforming system was bothersome, and while space tech was cool it felt like it was around for roughly twenty turns and that was it. Range was (and still is, in my mind) difficult to work with.

and Civ 3 was meh (discoveries came soooo slowly).
That's the part I like least about it, although Conquests helps that somewhat (I think...). Civ III would be the best in any other similar series, which is a testament to what marvellous games II(+MPGE, which Civfanatics actually has for free download!) and SMAC(+X) are that it looks like crap compared to them.

Civ III is worth getting used to. It's got a lot of neat stuff in and of itself, although it's got a lot of lame stuff too (barbarians never get past horsemen, expansion is crimped beyond severely by corruption, and corruption is generally impossible to undo altogether. Hell, I'd take despotism if it meant no more damn corruption!)

Also, the AI is a lot more competitive in CTP at the higher levels without being a nasty, invincible bruiser. That's nice.
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Nalyd cannot do factional RP's. He tried.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: nobody loves a gimmick.
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Okay... I don't think it'll be a good idea to start two RPs at the same time. In the past, it has failed dramatically.
Is this really true? In this case, the mechanics are different enough that I'm not sure if it would even work - not everyone is interested in either a factional RP or a player one.
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Worst time waster ever? The Civilization series. Worse than crack.
I was up till 4am the other day playing Civ 3. Now my sleeping times are all messed up because of it.

For the record, this is the only time Synergy has ever been right about something.

Civilization is great, although there's diminishing returns after Alpha Centauri, which really seems to be one of the top 3 games ever made. I'm weird in that I prefer Call to Power to Civ III; then again, Civ3:Conquests is far better than Civ III vanilla (lethal bombardment alone is worth an expansion pack - it's delightful to get an armada of bombers and disintegrate the enemy's railroad network and/or his army in one turn), and I never really got into Civ IV, although I might give it a try again now my video card is better.

I really do recommend Call to Power. It feels a lot like Civ II developed in a different direction - with better graphics (but still sprite-based), new resources, a better trade system and a totally revamped combat system (and better for it - ranged combat is great and introduces a pretty nifty wrinkle into the game). It is a precursor to several vital changes in the series, including terraforming (done with an interface in CTP, a separate unit in AC and III, but a settler in II), ranged bombardment (weaker, but present, in both AC and III - and only in III do units appear specifically devoted to it).

The best part is really the expanded tech tree. I like that CTP goes until the Diamond Age, because it allows absolutely awesome things like sea and space colonization, which both make a builder's game relevant in an era when it's usually restrained to cleaning up the debris from bombed-out, occupied imperial territories. This did sort of go in the opposite direction from Civ III - in II, tech advantages were less significant than in AC, and in CTP they can get vast and lethally so - but it's still a lot of fun.

So yeah, give CTP a shot. You'll forget pretty quick you're not playing a Firaxis/Microprose game - it's seemingly what they would have done if they had the time and inclination. (And don't even get me started on the later-game wonders - the SETI Project is nice and all, but CTP gives you late-age wonders that can control your populace's minds and potentially break off and form its own empire - in an odd way, sort of like a game-scale Punishment Sphere - and a damn Space Ladder.)
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We're necessarily a lot more intimately familiar with the behavior of BoE. It's better-documented, better-understood, and is going to be better to work with. End of discussion, full stop.

I didn't take the impression you suggested just now out of it - if it were that simple, why didn't you just say so? - but again, BoE is still a better candidate. (That and there's a lot more variability in play experience in BoE than either Avernum or Geneforge - it would take a good month to play through the entire BoE corpus, whereas you'd be hard-pressed to stretch all the material in either of the Avr or Gfg series to a business week.

Then again, what XFire does seems pretty trivial anyway, so . . .

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Also, I've got some spare time, so I'll take it on myself to write up a Global Summary, which can be modified as we see fit (reboots generally require that, to fit new people in and to write old people out.)

I'm going to be more or less GMing, because I'm probably the single most experienced human being in factional RPs (a few weirdoes on Nationstates aside). Bear in mind that my GM philosophy in this case is largely educational - that is, I tell people when things they're doing are Bad Plans, because I've usually seen it before. Authority is for wankers and bankers.
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Originally written by Excalibur:

Contrary to the title, this topic actually involves a questionnaire.


1. If circumstances allowed for you to meet a fellow Spiderwebber who would you choose to meet?

I recently hung out with Matt 'Djur' Boeh, but that doesn't really count.

2. What do you consider as the magnum opus of these boards?
Are You A Gay; there has never been nor will there ever be a better poll.

3. Does the recent increase in spam content irk you?
The spambots, being either automata or paid to do it, at least have an excuse.

4. What is the last Spiderweb game or BoA/BoE scenario you have completed.
Nethergate most recently, Nebulous Times Hence (TM's titles suck) in terms of most recent design.

5. Explain why you choose to participate in these boards.
Player hating.

6. Are you a regular poster at a satellite forum of SW? If so post the name(s) of it/them.
I post on Polaris from time to time, and some people are morons and think Desp is a SW satellite.

7. Of all current members, who do you think deserves to be a moderator. (Answer should not be a current moderator)
I wuz robbed.

8. For simple consensus: what is your current country/nation/territory of residence? What is your native tongue?
Argentina; Tierra del Fuego, Antarctica, and South Atlantic Islands; forcible sodomy.


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Did I force you to make any of the posts I've quoted on the previous page?
What on Earth do they have to do with you that you should wander in and try to raise public ire against me?
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If anyone cares, I asked Spiderweb staff for guidance. They banned him. The reason I needed guidance was because I wasn't sure how to respond when one member referred to another as a "Fagot." It wasn't well received...
FYT, and for future reference, fagot is an older spelling. Now the term "******" embraces seven meanings, although two of them are similar. I'm sure the intentions were pure though, and Alec was ... ah ... nope. Derogatory. :rolleyes:

And this, incidentally, is what Zeviz banned Djur for.
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In all seriousness, would one of the parties in charge of enforcing the CoC please formally rebuke Zeviz? He's been haranguing me from authority for years now - in spite of long periods of absence, concilatory behavior, and private and public appeals on my part; it never even stays within the realm of personal vituperation, but hovers consistently in a range between attempting to rouse public scorn and directly working to have me punished from on high.

He has had a hand in most of the times I have endured harsh punishments for banal behavior (including the profound abuse of the power unwisely handed to him in Drakey's absence that I alluded to and which all concerned are familiar with), and where he has not, he has been a consistent voice against clemency, mercy, or lenience. Whenever I plant a seed, he say kill it before it grow. He's a petty, self-righteous fascist, and he's completely unsuited for even the minor powers entailed in forum moderation. By all evidence, allowing him to choose his own clothes is perhaps a bit much.

I think the most unsettling thing is that he sees nothing wrong with this. He's turned an idly abusive but ultimately meaningless exchange between two established members and turned it into a tin-pot show-trial against one of them - one which, in his eagerness to pursue his sixth or seventh such trial against that member, he has already started exhibiting evidence for. Let Zeviz play Josef Stalin on his own time; I think we've all seen enough.
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A good rule of memes is that if they have to be made into macros they just don't work. For instance, this wouldn't be either a reference to the meme or recognizably 'funny' without the (ugly) text, and is poorly executed besides.

Piss on it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IUyqenD7kU

Not even close.
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I am in half a mind to roar with laughter or request a reason why you desire to find some way to insult the whole of creation, other then, say: Play Runescape.
Because he is Alec, and he does that. And because playing Runescape is in a sense insulting the whole of creation.

If instead of being called "Alec" the poster in question was called "Emperor Tullegolar", how long ago would he have been re-banned? (Since his triumphant return, more than half of Alec's posts were direct personal attacks, vague insults, or completely irrelevant spam. Even TM, despite all the legends about him, didn't have a ratio like this. And then people wonder why new members such as ET assume that trolling is the acceptable behavior on these boards.)

When I was younger and foolish, I would have tried to defend my besmirched honor - as I did in the many other times this basic pattern (Alec says something, someone else says something about Alec, Zeviz calls Alec worse than Hitler, Alec gets indignant, etc.) has played out. But it seems it has played out often enough, and with so little variation or contrition on your part, that nothing I have to say will change what you have to think.

In fact, no matter how much older, quieter, and more polite I might get, nothing I say or do will change that to you I am still the 14-year-old boy whose politics and language were beyond obscene in your jaundiced sight. The only thing that has changed since you first started trying to abuse me for saying things you didn't care about otherwise is that you've lost the power to do anything about it and the social standing to get anyone else to.

In short, Zeviz, as much as I want to argue you down, tell you I'm not the villain you want me to be, you ain't listening and nobody else much cares any more. Nothing either of us says on the subject is relevant any more - and as little as you might care about that, it leaves me with only one thing to say.

Welcome to Fagotville; population: yuo.
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One of the first things I'm doing when we bring back Reloaded: I've got a map of Ermarian 3/4 finished; all I have to do is add Old Aizo and we're set. (Vantanas, Pralgad, and Valorim - already on it.)
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I'm afraid I don't speak any Dutch.
If that's what you call Dutch, then you probably insulted the whole of Holland.

So, did I write Dutch or English in this post?

We live in a world of uncertainty.
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