quote:

---

Originally written by Ktgsvgnfgn:

No matter the system, the end result is always the same: Oppression.

In every system of government that was, is, or will be will exist on some form of subjugation. There will always be those select few who will dominate the masses.

Even if there is a revolution that replaces the existing corrupt government with a new pure one, that new idealistic government will become just as corrupt as its predecessor.

---

quote:

---

Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

Every time you acknowledge me only serves to make my ego stronger.

---

quote:

---

Originally written by Alcritas:

Boo!

---

quote:

---

Originally written by Excalibur:

Yes, but most of the people here know that impeachment doesn't necessarily mean conviction. But Clinton should have been convicted.

---

quote:

---

Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar:

quote:

---

Originally written by Zeviz:

This would of course be easier if our moderators actually moderated the discussion, giving warnings (and harsher penalties) for flames and spam.

---

Your faith in the system is misplaced. The end is nigh.

---

quote:

---

Originally written by WiKiSpidweb:

I do recall the Desert Fox operations during Clinton's tenure. My understanding had been that Saddam once again was obstructing a full inspection, not allowing access to certain palaces, citing a need for privacy.

---

quote:

---

Originally written by Sarasaphilia:

quote:

---

Originally written by Nemesis.:

This thread and its creator should be found and shot on sight for complete incompetance.

EDIT: Well I'm sort of kidding… :P

---

Wow. Even I wouldn't go beyond hassling them verbally. You want to shoot them?

---

quote:

---

Originally written by Synergy:


Alec, you've got such a sharp mind. What were you doing with it in high school?

---

quote:

---

Originally written by Ephesos:

Sorry, Saras... the only possible reason I can think of to lurk around your forum is to watch you imitate the mods here. It's kinda funny.

---

quote:

---

Originally written by Death Twisted:

Seventh grade. GPA= 3.8.

---

quote:

---

Originally written by WiKiSpidweb:

While at this point I realize that Iraq was a mistake, one question still nags at me. If Saddam didn't have any WMDs (and the consensus is that he didn't) why the hell did he doom his regime by refusing to give complete access to UN inspectors, as he was required to my the treaty he signed at the end of the first Gulf War?

---

quote:

---

Originally written by Drew:

Whatever the true reason was for the war, the reality is that it was sold to Congress and the American public largely on false pretenses, lubricated by the climate of fear generated by September 11th. There was never any truly "just" rationale for this "intervention," however.

---

quote:

---

Originally written by Kelandon:

I'm surprised, Alec. You're apparently completely unfamiliar with the concept of liberal "revisionist" history. Not all history books devote whole chapters to Washington and the cherry tree at the expense of mentioning that he did in fact own slaves.

---

quote:

---

It is true that many historians don't like asking, "What if...?" This dislike mostly stems, I think, from the difficulty of answering the question, compared to the question, "What was...?" There is still a fair bit of discussion, though, about Truman dropping the atom bomb on Japan. Historians do argue whether this was a good thing to do or not.

Likewise, there has been a great deal of investigation into how exactly we got into Vietnam, which was a long and complicated process, perhaps as long and complicated as how we got into Iraq, so I don't doubt that historians even now are doing their best to figure out how the heck we got into Iraq. If it proves demonstrable — and this will take time and a great burden of evidence, not just probable speculation — that we went there for corporate greed, I don't doubt that some textbooks will attempt to paper this over, but some others will write it.

As for what we should have done, well, eh. Like I said, historians have trouble proving what we should have done, but they don't have any trouble pointing out what we could have done, and I don't doubt that they will here, too.

---

quote:

---

Originally written by radix malorum est cupiditas:

quote:

---

Originally written by Redstart:

I share your concerns about how this will all look decades from now Alec, but you should remember that history is not written only by Americans. With the attention this whole travesty has received, bystanders (meaning countries not directly involved in the war or occupation) will have a whole lot more information to write their history books with. Iraq will be remembered for what it was.

---

What don't you remember "there is only those who are with us and those who are against us"?

Silly Alec, have you forgotten? History is written by the Zionist Council as it has been for the past 5000 years. Of all people, you were the last I'd expect to forget that. Oh, and yes, I do plan on eating Christian blood with great relish in the coming Passover holiday.

---

quote:

---

Originally written by Jewels:

We went to Iraq because both the Republicans and the Democrats thought that Hussein had WMD's. Please don't make me dig out Clinton's quotes again. He thought Hussein had WMD's, too, long before Bush jr got into the runnings. He just didn't do anything about it.

---

quote:

---

I, personally, am ready to just pull out, but only because I am unattached to anyone in Iraq and I can handle that country, way over there, going to pot. My compassion for the innocents there has worn thin. It's probably not a good thing on my part but it's where I am.

---

quote:

---

Originally written by Kelandon:

In general, Russians who live in Asia are no more Asian than Americans who live in the United States are Native American.

---

quote:

---

Originally written by Excalibur:

Early in this dacade President Bush declared war on Iraq, claiming Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. However, Hussein had gotten rid of his WMDs before the U.S. ever invaded. Many people suspect that it was for the oil there, bit if that's true, why hasn't hw withdrawn the soldiers out of Iraq? Of course, some people could claim that it was to set up a republic there and overthrow Hussein, but Iraq wasn't the only country like that. The U.S. isn't minding its own business. Really, America should focus on overthrowing its own corrupt government.
I don't know the real reason Bush had for invading Iraq, but me and many other Americans are fed up with Bush and the war in Iraq. For some reason, Americans don't want to hear people like me who say the American government is corrupt. However, people in other countries seem to know everything about the falsity of America's "freedom." I don't consider myself an American, even though I've lived there all my life; mainly becaused I don't give into to all the brainwashing by the government.
I've said stuff like this in America, but most Americans will deny anything you say. I spoke out here, because the members of this forum seem to be rational.

---