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Guardian
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Just answer the questions. It's not like we can track them.

Nalyd is sorry if he forgot anyone.

[ Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:41: Message edited by: Nalyd The Dead ]

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How the hell are Lebanese and Chinese racial categories?

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Warrior
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What made you think Lebanese? (did you just pluck that idea out of the air?) Instead of Chinese, say Asian. You can't tell the difference.

[ Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:19: Message edited by: Leftover Sauerkraut ]

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Law Bringer
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quote:
Originally written by Leftover Sauerkraut:

You can't tell the difference.
If you said that in Korea, Japan or Tibet (well, especially Tibet) you'd get punched in the face. :P

(Although the point is valid, Asian is the proper term here.)

[ Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:44: Message edited by: Dr. Johann Georg Faust ]

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It's not hard to tell them apart unless you haven't seen a lot of Asian people. I can pretty much tell Chinese, Japanese, Koreans and Indonesians apart by sight now, in the same way that you could probably tell a German from a Belgian or Austrian by sight.

[ Saturday, March 17, 2007 14:29: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Raven v. Writing Desk
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Lebanese?!?

Nalyd, I know you're young, but haven't you encountered typical racial categories on standardized tests? Or the internet? Or somewhere? Seriously, where do you live that "Lebanese" and "Chinese" would be called races?

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Huzzah for demographic surveys.
How is this controversial (aside from racial choice)?

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Shaper
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I'll tell you what the controversy is. Three people voted that they were vlish, but I don't remember giving vlish the right to vote.

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How about Hispanic? Yes, I know it's not a race anymore, but it's still pretty important.

—Alorael, who is not a Lebanese Baha'i vlish. That's all he's saying.
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Delicious Vlish is slowly infiltrating vlish into our membership. It'll make his take over much easier. Aran starts to rethink his plans.
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quote:
Originally written by 227 Chitrachballons:

Lebanese?!?

Nalyd, I know you're young, but haven't you encountered typical racial categories on standardized tests? Or the internet? Or somewhere? Seriously, where do you live that "Lebanese" and "Chinese" would be called races?

Quite possibly Australia; Lebanese are pretty much the official whipping-boy minority over here. Anyone with other than lily-white skin who's seen committing a crime is invariably described as "of Lebanese appearance".

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quote:
Originally written by Dr. Johann Georg Faust:

quote:
Originally written by Leftover Sauerkraut:

You can't tell the difference.
If you said that in Korea, Japan or Tibet (well, especially Tibet) you'd get punched in the face. :P

(Although the point is valid, Asian is the proper term here.)

Yes, Koreans, at least they used to, don't really like Japanese due to Japan invading Korea several times, the last time being about just before WW2.

And to add to it, isn't most of Russia in Asia as well?

[ Saturday, March 17, 2007 22:52: Message edited by: E=MC Hammered ]

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In general, Russians who live in Asia are no more Asian than Americans who live in the United States are Native American.

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quote:
Originally written by Kelandon:

In general, Russians who live in Asia are no more Asian than Americans who live in the United States are Native American.
Try telling that to Euro-reactionaries. :P

It is seriously a part of the political consciousness of every right-winger west of the Don that Russia isn't really European. One of the big appeals of the EU as a social project to European conservatives is that it allows them to attempt to reconstruct the meaning of 'Europe' as a cultural-geographic signifier, gerrymandering out the Balkans and Turkey and Russia and throwing in Israel and what's left of the colonies.

They're ignorant jerks, obviously, but it's an important kind of ignorance.

I think calling the author of this poll a fool would be basically redundant at this point, but allow me to point out what nobody else so far has: there's no way to adequately provide for 'Religion', because either you rely on self-identification and get a thousand answers or rely on trait-identification and wind up with a thousand well-organized and largely incorrect answers.

A lot of Protestants don't really think Catholics are Christian, and quite a few Catholics don't think their schismatic bretheren are Christian either. Each of the big two branches of Islam thinks of the other as at best heretical and at worst basically pagan.

Just because you don't understand the difference between the two (which various Administration figures, amazingly, have copped to since invading a goddamn fissure point between the two groups!) doesn't mean the difference doesn't exist and isn't very real to the people involved. Buddhism is divided in partes tres, and I couldn't even name them - but the theological and political dispute that division engenders is very alive, even though the population center for Buddhism, China, isn't even officially religious any longer.

Race, sex, and religion have only one thing in common: they are a compromise between how you identify you and how others identify you. Transvestites take on characteristics of the other sex temporarily for whatever reason; transsexuals intend to change physical sex, and the 'genderqueer' (if that is the appropriate term) reject the rigidity of gender altogether. 'Male/female' is a dumb distinction and shouldn't be made as firmly as it is.

Lumping religion into 5, 10, or 100 categories is losing out on a lot, and ignores at the very least how others would regard someone. (A known and active Catholic who claims to be Shinto and knows absolutely nothing about Shintoism or even Japan could only be taken so seriously.)

Race is meaningless; it carries only the meaning we wish for it to. The Amhara in Ethiopia, for instance, consider themselves the only truly white people on earth: they think of Europeans as red and their Tigray and other neighbors as black. We regard them as black or some kind of brown or yellow.

We say 'Chinese' and it means something to us, but there are Han Chinese who do not use the Chinese script or speak Mandarin and there are those who speak Mandarin as a first language (even before the PROC made it official) and are not Han in the least. Except as far as it concerns the inhabitants of China's political boundaries, the term 'Chinese' only carries meaning because something comes to our mind when we think about it. To someone in China, it would be largely meaningless except in that border-related sense I mentioned, which includes large numbers of Monglians, Vietnamese, and muslim Turkmens, along with dozens of ethnicities we regard as 'Chinese' along with the Han.

Labels suck. They should be left to experts, if they're touched at all, and whenever anyone deals with them they should be understood as completely and utterly arbitrary.
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Whoa. Alec just made a reasonable post. Maybe they really have swapped brains.

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Shock Trooper
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I was looking for something like "Latino/Hispanic". I am not exactly white, nor black either, so...
In the end, I voted Vlish.

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Law Bringer
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quote:
Originally written by Marcelo:

I was looking for something like "Latino/Hispanic". I am not exactly white, nor black either, so...
In the end, I voted Vlish.

WTF?

Vlish was under gender, not race.

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For the record, it should have been a race.

Don't Vlish have sexes?

oooh a palindrome :P

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... evah hsilV ... huh?

Oh wait. :P

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Judging how fast the Mk II poll went, Imban should be appearing any minute now.

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This thread and its creator should be found and shot on sight for complete incompetance.

EDIT: Well I'm sort of kidding… :P

[ Monday, March 19, 2007 15:54: Message edited by: Nemesis. ]

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Nuke and Pave
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quote:
Originally written by Kelandon:

In general, Russians who live in Asia are no more Asian than Americans who live in the United States are Native American.
This is true if you are talking about ethnic Russians (descendants of Eastern Slavic tribes). However, they are only a part of Russian population, a rather small part in many areas. Russia is a multi-ethnic country with many different population groups. Think of it as something half-way between EU (whose parts have very little in common) and USA (where everybody is "American").

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quote:
Originally written by Nemesis.:

This thread and its creator should be found and shot on sight for complete incompetance.

EDIT: Well I'm sort of kidding… :P

Wow. Even I wouldn't go beyond hassling them verbally. You want to shoot them?

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quote:
Originally written by Sarasaphilia:

quote:
Originally written by Nemesis.:

This thread and its creator should be found and shot on sight for complete incompetance.

EDIT: Well I'm sort of kidding… :P

Wow. Even I wouldn't go beyond hassling them verbally. You want to shoot them?

quote:
Originally written by Nemesis.:

Well I'm sort of kidding… :P


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The "sort of" snagged my attention.

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