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what the hell is this? in General
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Profile #14
Indeed, a fair explanation, Jake.

It was quite a surprise seeing that site, though!

I don't know if Jeff would have a problem with it, given the context, but considering anybody can theoretically see your page, I'd suggest e-mailing Jeff and/or putting a disclaimer on your page, stating what you just told us.

Btw, I loved this line... ;)

quote:
"...mostly to get rid of the sacred cows that have needed butchering since the days of Gynax's LSD-induced insanity."


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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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[insert n00b karma post title here] in General
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Hehe, well, as I mentioned, I created this thread knowing full well what might happen. :P

But I guess that was part of the point. At least insofar as that I don't much care about karma.

Receiving a star prompted me to inform myself on the topic... and seeing all those other threads, I simply couldn't resist making one. Though I must admit that part of the purpose of this thread was to verify if I had understood correctly.

So bring on the on-star ratings! And the five-star ratings! And the no-ratings! And everything in between.

I guess another reason was partly that I felt I should say hello, and this seemed as good a way as any.

*****

On a slightly more serious topic, a bit more about myself, or at least about what brought me here...

I've been a long-time fan of Spiderweb games (having played the demos of at least A3, BoA, GF2 and GF3, if not A2 as well, but I can't remember), but unfortunately relatively poor for quite some time.

As I've recently gotten a new job, though, I decided to treat myself!

So I started by registering BoA. We'll see what will come next.

So again, hello, and to those of you who've answered some of my posts up to now, thanks again. :)

P.S. I'm not a big bastard. Or at least, I don't think I am. I don't know if I'll appear to be one, though! I guess that's up to you to decide. :D

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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[insert n00b karma post title here] in General
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Well, here we go... it finally happened.

My first vote! Huzzah!

I was wondering about karma, but I ignored it because I didn't have any.

Then, all of a sudden, I notice... oh my! I have a star! :eek:

So I decided to stop being lazy and try to inform myself on these strange, magical stars I've been seeing next to people's names... this strange, magical club I've apparently suddenly been inducted into... :D

Interesting things did I learn, oh yes!

You see, someone doesn't like me. ^_^

I feel touched by this. And amused. And confused. And more than anything, curious, I guess.

After seeing so many other "karma posts", and reading about how making one is a sure way to amass vast amounts of the negative variety I, of course, had to make my own. ~bows~

So here I am, wondering... about this strange and magical karma.

Does it serve any useful purpose whatsoever? Or is it just another toy for bored people to play with?

From what I've read, it would seem like the case is the latter, but I figured when in doubt, asking is always the best way to get answers.

Should I feel insulted by my new rating? Even if it's from only one person? Or, conversely, should I see it as a compliment that some lone soul felt it a worthy use of their time to *gasp* rate me?

I've read about the five levels, and apparently, I'm an Evil Priest! Oh, the joy! That's quite a title, I must say.

I've also read about how most people tend to ignore karma. That seems logical. But I guess, when something's new, it's always more interesting... this this thread.

I wonder, though, if karma's so useless, why is it there?

I've read the FAQ and, sadly, the explanation for "member rating" left me understanding little more about the subject than I did before.

Sure, it explains the "what", but it doesn't explain the "why". And personally, I find "why" to be such a more interesting question than "what".

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Oh, and by the way... hi. ;)

I usually make a "Hello, I'm new, how are you?" post when I join a new forum, but I guess I didn't feel like it this time. It seems so... cliché.

Yet, here I am, aren't I?

Ah well, then I guess I should also give you the same warning I usually give when I join a new community...

Yes, I post a lot, and I post big.

No, I'm not offended if people ignore my long posts. I'm used to it. I recognize and respect the fact that most people on the net tend to not bother with mini-novels.

So... yeah... if you've read this far...

~hands out cookies~

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Avernum 4 Mac Beta Testers needed! in General
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Profile #41
I see. :(

I do seem to recall reading that they'd only reply to those who got accepted, though. Considering the large amount of people who no doubt applied, that's logical.

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
Posts: 124 | Registered: Monday, September 26 2005 07:00
Insert crystal in Blades of Avernum
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No worries. I just finished VoDT a few days ago, so it's all fresh in my mind, and I remember all the running around I had to do. ;)

What's WT's?

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
Posts: 124 | Registered: Monday, September 26 2005 07:00
Insert crystal in Blades of Avernum
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Profile #1
The first thing to mention would be a friendly reminder that there's a walkthrough to Valley of Dying Things in the game manual PDF.

The second thing would be a polite request to actually say which scenario you're talking about next time, and be a bit more specific about your question. People can't always guess what you're talking about.

Third, well, is your answer:

~(spoiler warning)~

Have you met the Vahnatai? They have the crystal you're looking for, as well as some more information about what you're supposed to do which you might find useful.

Since you got to the main controls, one has to assume that you have the opening stone...

Which is odd (unless you already used the character editor) considering that you need to speak to the Vahnatai to get it.

Therefore, I must assume that you have indeed met the Vahnatai, but simply didn't pay attention to what they were saying.

So go back and talk to them, one of them will give you the crystal.

Before you go back to the main controls, I also suggest making sure you have the instruction scroll on how to operate the controls... could be useful... ;)

[Edit:]

Oops! Sorry, just saw your other post!

Yes, so you've met the Vahnatai.

Just go back and talk to them. They'll give you the crystal and give you a hint on where to get the instruction scroll.

[ Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:21: Message edited by: Muji ]

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
Posts: 124 | Registered: Monday, September 26 2005 07:00
Avernum 4 Mac Beta Testers needed! in General
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Profile #37
Anybody have any idea for the timeframe of the betatesting?

I'd apply, but I'd be scared to be accepted...

October should be very busy for me, so I wouldn't have time.

But maybe November if it's not too late.

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
Posts: 124 | Registered: Monday, September 26 2005 07:00
Alternative character graphics? in Blades of Avernum
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Yeah, I did my homework on special skills at least. ;)

I may miss some things, but at least I don't miss everything. :D

Thanks, though. That's a tricky one, and I've noticed a lot of posts by people confused by that.

As for Sliths, that's something to keep in mind.

I've read people complain that they didn't find the fire resistance to make enough of a difference to be worth it...

But you bring up a good point: sometimes, freeing up one item slot (if you insist on that 100% immunity) can make a huge difference, depending on what you equip instead.

And I can see how having one less character to heal after being hit by a fireblast can be nice. ;)

One reason out of many, I'm sure, but it's the first that came to mind, having recently finished VoDT and still remembering that annoying vampire in the grove below the school. :mad:

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Natural Mage & Encumberance in Blades of Avernum
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Aaaaahhh!

No... silly me.

I didn't bother entering fight mode, so I only cast Call Beast.

Oops. ~coughs~

Well, that answers that. ;)

Thank you. And sorry for all the questions. I'll try to be more thorough next time.

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Nature Lore & Pathfinder in Blades of Avernum
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Excellent, so spread it will be.

And if one of my characters happens to have some extra skill points, I'll go for a bit of Pathfinder to spare myself the annoyance of poisoned marshes.

Thanks for your help, everyone. :)

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Natural Mage & Encumberance in Blades of Avernum
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Here we go again... :rolleyes:

Yes, I searched and read.

But, well...

I made a test party...

Two identical characters (custom Nephil, 5 mage points, 5 priest points and 2 extra intelligence, for 4), except one of them had natural mage and the other didn't.

I entered Kel's HLPM, leveled them up for some quick cash, and bought them some heavy armor, which I then proceeded to equip.

Then I tried casting mage spells...

And both succeeded without problem. :eek:

I don't get it. And yes, I checked, both were encumbered.

I figured, maybe it had something with being Nephilim, or maybe because they were custom characters.

So I started again...

Two human sorcerors. I gave each one an extra point of strength so they could carry more.

Levelled them up to the same as last time (20... don't ask why, just random number) and then I went shopping.

I outfitted both like a pure fighter. They ended up with 7 of encumberance and 1 AP penalty.

Then I tried casting again...

And like last time, no problem!

Okay... maybe it's the level?

So I tried it again, same deal (two human sorcerers), but I kept them at level 1 and used the character editor to buy them equipment instead.

With level 1 equipment, I only got them to 5 of encumberance, but that's enough for the 1 AP penalty.

Again, I tried casting, and againg, I had no problems.

So... what's up?

Why's my encumbered sorcerer-dressed-like-a-tank that doesn't have Natural Mage able to cast without problem?

Is this a bug? There's still the spell point recovery and the bonuses to the spells, which aren't bad, but... still...

The only variable left is the HLPM. But why would the effects of encumbrance on a mage be disabled in the HLPM?

[ Friday, September 30, 2005 20:46: Message edited by: Muji ]

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Nature Lore & Pathfinder in Blades of Avernum
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So, overall, in a very simplified and generalized nutshell, Nature Lore = worth it, Pathfinder = not worth it?

quote:
Originally written by Imban:

I'm not sure, exactly, but even a small level of Pathfinder lets you walk over poison swamps without coming to harm, most of the time.
Would that allow only the character with Pathfinder to walk over poison swamps unharmed, or the whole party?

And Nature Lore, if a special checks for it, I'm guessing it takes into consideration your total levels of Nature Lore? Or does it check the highest level, or even both?

Other than for getting the Pathfinder skill, is there a particular reason to focus your Nature Lore on one character in particular, or are you better off spreading it around to take advantage of the cheaper SP cost of the lower levels?

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
Posts: 124 | Registered: Monday, September 26 2005 07:00
Alternative character graphics? in Blades of Avernum
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Profile #2
I wasn't expecting this clear and good of a reply... so thank you. :D

quote:
Originally written by CPeters:

In regards to graphics:
Bring up the 'Use Ability' screen in BoA. Select the change character graphic button, and scroll through enough - you can make your Nephil look like a human, your Slith like a Nephil or any other wacky combination. You can do the same thing with the portrait too.

Beautiful! That's exactly what I needed!

I must admit I feel somewhat sheepish for not having noticed it myself (that'll teach me to pay attention), but that's perfect. Thank you so much.

As for the rest... that sounds very interesting... (I love the Girl Genius comics), but would require more work than I'm willing to put in it right now.

I just finished VoDT and registered my game, and I'm about to start on ASR. My urge to play a new scenario, for now, outweighs my desire for a "perfect" custom-made party.

I'll definitely keep this in mind for later, though. Cheers.

As for the xp/race-related matter, I guess Slith simply aren't for me, then. Not for the party I have in mind, at any rate.

-20% seems a little steep, no? If you consider that pole/bow cancels itself out, what you're left with is dex bonus and fire resistance. And for half the penalty, dex seems a much better deal... or am I missing some important point?

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Nature Lore & Pathfinder in Blades of Avernum
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Yes, I've used the search function.

Yes, I've read other threads in hopes of answers before making my own.

I've found some, but not enough. So here I am, bugging you with my newb questions again.

About Nature Lore and Pathfinder (as the subject says)... how do they work, exactly? What do they do?

Taken from the in-game descriptions:

Nature Lore
"How much you know about finding your way through the wilderness. Helps you avoid outdoor wandering monsters and navigate through difficult situations. Base value: INT / 4."

Pathfinder
"Pathfinder skill helps you find your way through hostile terrain. Your chance of being poisoned or diseased by swamps and the like is reduced. The more of this skill you have, the better the effect."

Presumably, Nature Lore helps you resist poison/disease/etc. like Pathfinder does ("navigate through difficult situations"), albeit no doubt not as efficiently.

As for avoiding outdoor wandering monsters, taken from this thread:

quote:
Originally written by Ephesos:

I have never seen an encounter which could be avoided by Nature Lore in Blades, except in Backwater Calls (and those were special encounters, not the standard "your Nature Lore skill would let you avoid this" message from A3).
Does anybody have some input on that?

Also, from the same thread,

quote:
Originally written by Imban:

There are some encounters in both The Cave of No Return and A Small Rebellion in which Nature Lore is needed in order to get herbs (CoNR) or complete a sidequest (ASR).
That's interesting information. Not something I would have guessed from the in-game description.

*****

So, my questions...

• What are the exact effects of these skills, if anybody knows? (in respect to avoiding harmful terrain, for example)

• How important are these skills to have? What levels should be aimed for? I seem to remember reading somewhere that there's no point raising them beyond level 20 or so.

• Can these skills be concentrated on one character, or should I give at least a bit to all my characters? Granted, I won't be giving all characters some Pathfinder points, but should I still at least give them a few levels of Nature Lore?

• Do you know something about these skills that I haven't mentioned/inquired about? Please do share your knowledge.

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
Posts: 124 | Registered: Monday, September 26 2005 07:00
Alternative character graphics? in Blades of Avernum
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Are there any?

I'm making a new party, and as much as I'd like a nephil (or a few) in my party, I don't like any of the nephil graphics, except the big scary one, which doesn't quite fit for the characters I have in mind.

Is it even possible to add character graphics that would port without problem from scenario to scenario?

I don't know if the character graphics are embedded in the engine, or if I could maybe download graphics somewhere and put them in the files folder or something...

Then there are slithzerikai. I like the pink-hooded girl slith (I'd see her as a good cleric, perhaps fighter~ish), but I don't much like sliths overall.

I've searched for more info about sliths, but I'm having a hard time finding it.

What's the pole weapon bonus exactly? And the fire resistance, from what I've read, isn't that great.

I guess what I'm wondering is, would a slith be worth it as anything other than a fighter? That -20% xp penalty seems a bit steep for what seems to be rather mediocre racial bonuses.

Is it possible to maybe change the graphics around? Like, look like a certain race, but have the abilities/xp penalty of another?

...

All thoughts and opinions welcome, thanks. :)

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Second scenario for a newbie in Blades of Avernum
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quote:
Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon:

Check the western edge of the map just below the river.
Found it!

Wow, never would have found that...

Thanks a lot. :)

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Second scenario for a newbie in Blades of Avernum
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Actually, that's not at all what I was talking about.

I was talking about the vampire and his undead cohorts in the north-eastern Dying Woods in the Huge Cavern where one finds the Waste Repository.

But that's a very interesting thread!!

Where is this hidden stone circle?

Is it the one on the island a bit south-west of Blinlock?

[edit: Yes yes, I know... north is actually diagonal... but I meant those directions insofar as top is "north" when you look at the square map. :P ]

[ Thursday, September 29, 2005 00:03: Message edited by: Muji ]

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Second scenario for a newbie in Blades of Avernum
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Good to know. ;)

I've been seeing quite a few mentions of it, but, yeah... doesn't seem like the second-scenario type.

...

And for what it's worth, I beat the vampire and got the cloak... unfortunately, it was just a normal cloak.

Best drop yet, though!

I got the cloak, a robe, a gold necklace and an emerald... ooOoooOoooo... :rolleyes:

You'd think that you'd get more from beating a vampire.

Even the looting after the fight isn't so great. One would expect to at least find some magical item that's not limited-use.

Ah well! It's done! Now to finish the scenario! :D

Tomorrow... I'm going to bed now... ;)

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Second scenario for a newbie in Blades of Avernum
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Excellent!

Thank you.

[Edit:]

Question about the vampire in the grove.

I manage to kill him (sometimes), but his drop seems variable... I've received nothing, a robe, and a torc on three seperate occasions.

I've killed him a few other times, though (but not won the battle) where he seemed to drop some dark cloak-looking thing...

Does anybody know what that item is? Does he ever drop something better than a torc?

[ Wednesday, September 28, 2005 23:09: Message edited by: Muji ]

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Second scenario for a newbie in Blades of Avernum
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Seems I'm racking up quite a list, here... :D

- A Small Rebellion
- Mad Ambition
- A Perfect Forest
- Roses of Reckoning
- Babysitting

I wouldn't mind hearing about the why of these.

What did you like about them?

quote:
Originally written by Synergy67:

quote:
Originally written by Muji:

Hehehe... ;)

Sounds intriguing... and scary.

Should I be scared? :(

Mad Ambition is fairly entertaining actually, but you might want a Valium first. It's not a particularly sane or sensible world. Its creator may be a most likely candidate for something like, say, the Hitler Youth.

I... see... :eek:

I'll definitely have to check that one out... at some point...

I think I'll go with something a bit more low-key for my second, though. Perhaps I'll try it as my third. :)

[ Wednesday, September 28, 2005 21:40: Message edited by: Muji ]

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Second scenario for a newbie in Blades of Avernum
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Hehehe... ;)

Sounds intriguing... and scary.

Should I be scared? :(

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Second scenario for a newbie in Blades of Avernum
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M'kay... almost done with VoDT.

I've registered my copy, just waiting for my key.

My question to you, good people of the forum, is:

What might you suggest as a second scenario?

Should I do A Small Rebellion? Or might there be something else you'd suggest I try before?

Don't mind what party I have... I'll probably re-do one with the editor when I'm done with this scenario. After playing through VoDT, I have a better idea of what I want in a party.

Although, party suggestions are always welcome as well!

Cheers.

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Waste repository in Blades of Avernum
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I tried pulling from the town, but that just brings me back Below School, so that doesn't solve the problem at all.

I could leave the scenario, but since it resets everything, I'd rather just make a new party.

Fine-tune my chars a bit. I'll give them a bit of XP to make my journey back smoother, but I'd feel like I was cheating too much if I just kept my levels and all my items.

Thanks anyways for the suggestions, I appreciate it. :)

[Edit:]

Oooooh, I found a way to fix it!! :D

I looked in the game files to see the number of the special item needed to open the doors and gave it to myself.

It's working for now... I just hope nothing bad happens when I actually beat the golem and get the key... :(

[ Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:22: Message edited by: Muji ]

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Waste repository in Blades of Avernum
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Ah, there we go, that would explain it...

So the path I took -was- supposed to bring me outside... :(

I reached Below School from the cave with the Ember Lizards and the lava. I never went through those double doors.

It's only when I tried to leave the Below School cave that I encountered the doors.

So... nothing left to do but restart my game, I guess?

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"Take time to listen to what is said without words, to obey the law too subtle to be written, to worship the unnameable and to embrace the unformed." -- Lao Tzu
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Made a mistake, please delete this post in Blades of Avernum
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Yup, nothing to see here. Just a mistake.

Please delete when you get the chance, thanks. :)

[ Monday, September 26, 2005 20:49: Message edited by: Muji ]

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