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GF2 NOSE v0.1 in Geneforge Series
Indeterminatus
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 written Tuesday, October 18 2005 23:57 Profile Homepage #13
Just exit the program :)

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GF2 NOSE v0.1 in Geneforge 2
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 written Tuesday, October 18 2005 23:57 Profile Homepage #13
Just exit the program :)

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GF3 Trainer in Geneforge Series
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 written Tuesday, August 9 2005 11:08 Profile Homepage #7
I'm not an agressive person, i usually don't mind constructive criticism, i like to work with others(check a couple of thread i posted in and you'll see it) and i'm sorry to have transformed this thread in a sort of flamewar.

But, you are not fair.

quote:
"That nice that you fight for your app. But this also means that your programming life at a very beginning. You will learn much and your attitude to your apps will change. And please before teaching me how to write programms develope at least 1 (one) enterprise level app
Uhm, i did create a couple commercial programs.
It's you i'm not so sure of.
For istance: why add the bloat of the .NET framework for 2 message boxes and an open file dialog? Are you afraid of winapi?

quote:
"I'm always say what I think."
I think you don't live in society then.
If in real life you go to someone and say "Your work is crap" he usually leaves his knuckles in your face. If you go to a person and say "I think you should add X feauture" you usually get better feedback.

quote:
"Just because I don't need this. However clicking 10+ times on each button is most stupid thing to do."
Again, you are wrong.
I don't know if you ever played the exile series (but i think the same thing stays true for the avernum games) but the character editor works this way. Why? To not spoil the game, to not make it too easy to ruin the fun.

quote:
"Second lesson: never say anything about you don't know. You look funny [Smile] However app of such level may be written from the scratch in a few hours.(My own written in about 10 minutes)"
But then it would be a totally different app, right? My statement is simply true, and you are making strawmen.

quote:
Compare number of .NET Apps and Allegro's. Think about, this is kind of programming lesson, he-he-he [Smile] And there is a hint: Allegro not an adequate lib for this task.
No need to compare, facts are that a compressed allegro weights < 400k while the NET framework 20mb.

quote:
Google will "save father of russian democracy"
No need to learn another lib just to make a simple editor. Allegro is portable, allows me to heavily alter the appearance of the GUI, and is relatively (compared to 20mb) small.

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GF2 NOSE v0.1 in Geneforge Series
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 written Tuesday, August 9 2005 10:44 Profile Homepage #10
quote:
Originally written by Itsuart, the altered:

quote:
Originally written by Indeterminatus:

Itsuart, the altered: i know it's not your fault, all those canisters ruined your mind ;) , but you should try to be more gentle and think before posting.
I used a lib exactly to make NOSE portable(look up)
And there is no edit box because raising a skill too high will simply spoil the game, this is my idea, you may not agree but there is no reason to offend.
OMFG. What I can say on this? Only one: you too young to talk with me. Your behaviour is too common, and I tired long ago to talk with ones like you.
BTW I don't use canisters, I drink vodka.
Dixi.
Your age-fu is weak.
I can see that you don't have other ways to answers but keep in mind diplomacy is an useful skill.
If i had to judge you from your posts i'd say YOU are the little troll kid. But i don't judge people.

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GF2 NOSE v0.1 in Geneforge 2
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 written Tuesday, August 9 2005 10:44 Profile Homepage #10
quote:
Originally written by Itsuart, the altered:

quote:
Originally written by Indeterminatus:

Itsuart, the altered: i know it's not your fault, all those canisters ruined your mind ;) , but you should try to be more gentle and think before posting.
I used a lib exactly to make NOSE portable(look up)
And there is no edit box because raising a skill too high will simply spoil the game, this is my idea, you may not agree but there is no reason to offend.
OMFG. What I can say on this? Only one: you too young to talk with me. Your behaviour is too common, and I tired long ago to talk with ones like you.
BTW I don't use canisters, I drink vodka.
Dixi.
Your age-fu is weak.
I can see that you don't have other ways to answers but keep in mind diplomacy is an useful skill.
If i had to judge you from your posts i'd say YOU are the little troll kid. But i don't judge people.

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GF2 NOSE v0.1 in Geneforge Series
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 written Saturday, August 6 2005 22:47 Profile Homepage #8
artificial orange: sent e-mail :)
I used the Allegro lib, are you familiar with it?

Itsuart, the altered: i know it's not your fault, all those canisters ruined your mind ;) , but you should try to be more gentle and think before posting.
I used a lib exactly to make NOSE portable(look up)
And there is no edit box because raising a skill too high will simply spoil the game, this is my idea, you may not agree but there is no reason to offend.

[ Saturday, August 06, 2005 22:49: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ]

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GF2 NOSE v0.1 in Geneforge 2
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 written Saturday, August 6 2005 22:47 Profile Homepage #8
artificial orange: sent e-mail :)
I used the Allegro lib, are you familiar with it?

Itsuart, the altered: i know it's not your fault, all those canisters ruined your mind ;) , but you should try to be more gentle and think before posting.
I used a lib exactly to make NOSE portable(look up)
And there is no edit box because raising a skill too high will simply spoil the game, this is my idea, you may not agree but there is no reason to offend.

[ Saturday, August 06, 2005 22:49: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ]

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GF3 Trainer in Geneforge Series
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 written Saturday, August 6 2005 22:38 Profile Homepage #1
quote:
Originally written by Itsuart, the altered:

This tool will patch your save file to make a godlike pc.
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Requires MS .NET Framework 1.1
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Why I made it? Because NOSE is too crappy.
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And yes, it's not for deadend brunch of evolution. I mean mac.
How nice of you. Very delicate to call someone else's work crap.

Besides i don't see how you could call NOSE crappy compared to this thing.

-NOSE lets you edit each single stat.
-Your editor doesn't.

-NOSE weight 400k.
-Your editor weights only 3k but requires to dowload the *cough* *cough* 20mb NET framework.

-NOSE is absolutely portable to Mac and Linux.
-Your program cannot be possibily ported to anything else.

-NOSE doesn't insult his users and asks them to suicide :rolleyes:

-NOSE doesn't spoil the game.

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GF2 NOSE v0.1 in Geneforge Series
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 written Saturday, July 30 2005 09:53 Profile Homepage #4
quote:
Originally written by JadeWolf:

Pity it's not for mac.
Or as the discontented slang-speaker would say;

'Snot for Mac... :D :D :P
Well, the source could be easily ported to mac.. i just need someone who volouteers to compile it.

Waylander : thanks :)

quote:
does this work for the real arcade version?
I'm not sure what real arcade is but if files aren't on your computer, nope.

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GF2 NOSE v0.1 in Geneforge 2
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 written Saturday, July 30 2005 09:53 Profile Homepage #4
quote:
Originally written by JadeWolf:

Pity it's not for mac.
Or as the discontented slang-speaker would say;

'Snot for Mac... :D :D :P
Well, the source could be easily ported to mac.. i just need someone who volouteers to compile it.

Waylander : thanks :)

quote:
does this work for the real arcade version?
I'm not sure what real arcade is but if files aren't on your computer, nope.

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Before heading to Gull Island... in Geneforge Series
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 written Thursday, July 28 2005 22:19 Profile Homepage #3
quote:
while I still have Greta *AND* Alwan.
You could give this script a chance ;)

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Things I learned from playing Geneforge in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 27 2005 08:34 Profile Homepage #1
Very nice, i had the need of a laugh.

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free version help in Geneforge Series
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 written Sunday, July 24 2005 22:38 Profile Homepage #6
quote:
Originally written by Natty:

thanks guys
an dude its a forum! not a gcse! i can write howeva i wana :)
But if we don't understand you we can't help, can't we? ;)

Just remember that for sone non native speakers that sort of slang is very hard to read.

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Add Item with Script? in Geneforge Series
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 written Saturday, July 16 2005 04:02 Profile Homepage #11
quote:
Why I would need a first "code" that said nothing beats me
It's not exactly like this ;)

The scripting language used in the Geneforge series requires to end commands with a ;
This means that
code = give_reward(345);
break;

is the same as
code =
give_reward(345);
break;

Just think that code means that some sort of script must be executed and break means that the scripting has ended.

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Add Item with Script? in Geneforge Series
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 written Friday, July 15 2005 21:57 Profile Homepage #8
For example you could open z33fortwiltdlg.txt
and change this:
begintalknode 10;
state = -1;
nextstate = -1;
condition = 1;
question = "special";
text1 = "The sign says:";
text2 = " LONG TERM STORAGE!";
text3 = " Stay out! Alarms are in place!";
Into this:
begintalknode 10;
state = -1;
nextstate = -1;
condition = 1;
question = "special";
text1 = "The sign says:";
text2 = " LONG TERM STORAGE!";
text3 = " Stay out! Alarms are in place!";
code =
code = reward_give(345);
break;
Then you'll just have to click on the sign that usually says "LONG TERM STORAGE" to get your gloves.

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Add Item with Script? in Geneforge Series
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 written Friday, July 15 2005 08:32 Profile Homepage #3
I'm not very informed about the cheat codes :-/
I was talking of the scripts... in which zone are you precisely?

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How do I get rid of these items? in Geneforge Series
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 written Friday, July 15 2005 08:26 Profile Homepage #20
Sorry if late, but i believe it is possible to remove the Orb. The code should be "set_spec_item(1,-1);"

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Add Item with Script? in Geneforge Series
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 written Friday, July 15 2005 08:19 Profile Homepage #1
You need to use the function "give_reward(num)"
where num is the code of the item (in the case of your gloves 345)

All you need to do is to ad "reward_give(345);" in a dialogue script (in the "code=" section).

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NOSE v0.1 in Geneforge Series
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 written Friday, July 15 2005 04:15 Profile Homepage #9
Thanks for the kind words :)

As for using it for Geneforge 2: Pyro is right, the save format is different and you can't use this save editor. Of course you could use the Gf2 version version i just released ;)

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GF2 NOSE v0.1 in Geneforge Series
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 written Friday, July 15 2005 04:12 Profile Homepage #0
NOSE (Not an Other Script Editor) is a savegame editor. It lets you alter your character's stats and, in the next versions, your inventory.
IMAGE(http://x2.putfile.com/7/19312233314.jpg) As you can see it's not very nice to look at(i'll work on this in the next releases) but it's simple and removes the need to play with script files.

Simply run it; it will show you the "Open File" dialogue. Go to your savegame's folder (Save0, Save1,...) and open the "data" file. From there it's very simple. To quit&save simply press the ESC key.

You can get it here(400k):
(windows only!) Gf2-NOSE v0.1

( REMEMBER TO BACKUP THE SAVEGAME!)

This was initially a Geneforge 3 character editor, but since "porting" it to the second episode was a matter of a few minutes i decided to release it for Geneforge 2 as well. :)

[ Friday, July 15, 2005 04:12: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ]

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GF2 NOSE v0.1 in Geneforge 2
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 written Friday, July 15 2005 04:12 Profile Homepage #0
NOSE (Not an Other Script Editor) is a savegame editor. It lets you alter your character's stats and, in the next versions, your inventory.
IMAGE(http://x2.putfile.com/7/19312233314.jpg) As you can see it's not very nice to look at(i'll work on this in the next releases) but it's simple and removes the need to play with script files.

Simply run it; it will show you the "Open File" dialogue. Go to your savegame's folder (Save0, Save1,...) and open the "data" file. From there it's very simple. To quit&save simply press the ESC key.

You can get it here(400k):
(windows only!) Gf2-NOSE v0.1

( REMEMBER TO BACKUP THE SAVEGAME!)

This was initially a Geneforge 3 character editor, but since "porting" it to the second episode was a matter of a few minutes i decided to release it for Geneforge 2 as well. :)

[ Friday, July 15, 2005 04:12: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ]

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NOSE v0.1 in Geneforge Series
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 written Thursday, July 14 2005 02:04 Profile Homepage #4
quote:
Originally written by Travers:

400k!?! Not to sound rude, but that sounds really fishy. Download at your own risk people.
You may not want to sound rude, but you are. If i wanted to trick you i wouldn't have written the size there, in front of your eyes. FYI , since i don't use Visual Basic or Net, it weights so much because it holds the dll for the Allegro library (which means the project is completelely portable to Mac, with little work).

Sorry, but what you said really offended me.

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To avoid Greta or Alwan leaving you in Geneforge Series
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 written Thursday, July 14 2005 00:25 Profile Homepage #19
quote:
Originally written by Learned Noremac:

Have you changed the endings scripts? If you keep both people at the end of the game this could cause problems. The game might try to load both Greta and Alwan's versions of the ending. Alternatively, depending on how the code is written, it could also remove that section of the ending text, although I'm guessing that the code would check to see if you had one, and not see if you didn't have the other, so it may be the former. I only know how to write Java, and in a very limited capacity, so I can't be sure.
Don't worry, the code is very much like: if(character_is_party(ALWAN))show_this(END_ALWAN);
this means is that all that could happen is that you saw both the endings, but there should be no crash.

I've noticed that some people downloaded it: any problems?

[ Thursday, July 14, 2005 00:25: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ]

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The reasoned character editor in Geneforge Series
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 written Thursday, July 14 2005 00:20 Profile Homepage #31
quote:
Originally written by MUDdex:

Allow me to suggest that instead of putting up the script as a text file to be downloaded by browser, you bzip it or some such and include checksums. This is because that browser downloads tend to add carriage returns or linefeeds in all the wrong places, and may munge high-ascii characters and generally play havoc with scripts.

I realize that you have done the community a huge favor by writing the script, and you don't really owe us a release-quality piece of code. But it might make everyone happier if you packed it up more soundly.
You're right, i should have done this from the beggining :)

[ Thursday, July 14, 2005 00:49: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ]Done.

[ Thursday, July 14, 2005 00:49: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ]

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NOSE v0.1 in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 13 2005 08:54 Profile Homepage #2
quote:
Originally written by Walter:

I notice you accidentally typed "Dragon" instead of "Drakon". And shouldn't that say skill points instead of xp points?
Will do in the next version, thanks for notifing it :)

BTW did you try it?

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