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NOSE v0.1 in Geneforge Series
Indeterminatus
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 written Wednesday, July 13 2005 08:34 Profile Homepage #0
NOSE (Not an Other Script Editor) is a savegame editor. It lets you alter your character's stats and, in the next versions, your inventory.
IMAGE(http://x2.putfile.com/7/19312233314.jpg)As you can see it's not very nice to look at(i'll work on this in the next releases) but it's simple and removes the need to play with script files.

Simply run it; it will show you the "Open File" dialogue. Go to your savegame's folder (Save0, Save1,...) and open the "data" file. From there it's very simple. To quit&save simply press the ESC key.

You can get it here(400k):
(windows only!) NOSE v0.1

( REMEMBER TO BACKUP THE SAVEGAME!)

[ Friday, July 15, 2005 04:23: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ]

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Geneforge 3 Trainer Windows +4 in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 13 2005 06:38 Profile Homepage #1
This week is the "Hack The Generorge" week :D

Congrats.

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To avoid Greta or Alwan leaving you in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 13 2005 05:41 Profile Homepage #14
quote:
Originally written by Ghaldrings_doom:

I'm so stupid!!!!!!!!! :mad:
Nah, i should have asked before :)
Now, i don't know if this still works because i cannot test it at all and there could be some differences between the windows scripts and the macintosh ones, but could you send me your bulwark inn script? (not the dialogue one)

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To avoid Greta or Alwan leaving you in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 13 2005 05:31 Profile Homepage #12
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Where the heck is that? I overwrote the old files In the scripts folder but I can't find any G3\Data\Scripts folder.
Err, that should be exactly where the scripts are located :)
What are you using, Windows or Macintosh?

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To avoid Greta or Alwan leaving you in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 13 2005 05:10 Profile Homepage #10
:(
Let's try to rehearse for a second:
in the zip file there where 3 files, right?
-z32westdock.txt (last modified 13/07/2005, 12.02.12)
-z34bulwark.txt last modified 13/07/2005, 13.07.14)
-z55westdock.txt last modified 13/07/2005, 12.15.54)
(please check if the filestamps match)

You got them and put into the Geneforge3\Data\Scripts directory, overwriting the old files. Greta leaves you when you reach the west-dock and you don't find her at the Bulwark inn. I'll check again...

Btw try reentering the Bulwark Inn after chasing away master Hoge.

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hmmmm.... it seems to me the easier way to script this without screwing up all the endings, etc., would be to just swith greta and alwan. Make greta into the the servile hater and alwan the rebel. You'd prolly have to go through all the conversation scripts to swap the names for it to make sense, tho. And something would need to be done to the trainers so you can still ramp-up their attacks at the appropriate places.
If my script actually works it shouldn't alter the game in any way. Speaking of which, could you try it out?

[ Wednesday, July 13, 2005 05:12: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ]

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To avoid Greta or Alwan leaving you in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 13 2005 04:44 Profile Homepage #6
Are you sure you put the files in the right place, overwriting the old ones?

Anyway, go to the Bulwark Inn and see if you can get her back

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To avoid Greta or Alwan leaving you in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 13 2005 04:29 Profile Homepage #4
quote:
Originally written by Ghaldrings_doom:

It doesn't work. :(
Please explain: what doesn't work? Do you have Alwan and Greta in the party and one of them leaves you? Or are you trying to get back Greta or Alwan from the Bulwark inn?

The tests i've done in the meantime worked for me :)

[ Wednesday, July 13, 2005 04:34: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ]Are you sure you copied the files in the right place? Did it ask to overwrite something?

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To avoid Greta or Alwan leaving you in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 13 2005 01:58 Profile Homepage #2
quote:
Originally written by Contra:

Are you sure?
Not really :P
I lost my savegames in a format and cannot check.
So, does it work?

[ Wednesday, July 13, 2005 02:10: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ]I changed a few things, to be on the safe side :)

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To avoid Greta or Alwan leaving you in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 13 2005 01:27 Profile Homepage #0
After a little searching in the scripts i found out that these 2 flags determine if Greta or Alwan leave you.
flag(100,10) is for how you treat Rebels;
flag(100,12) is for the creator.

It wouldn't be at all difficult to reset these flags but i STRONGLY discourage this because it might have some impredictable results later in the plot (so scripters, i'm warning you, leave them alone!)

What can be done is simply to disable the script.
Here are the scripts i modified, download the zip; it contains a Script directory you must overwrite the Geneforge3/data/scripts folder with.
Let me know if it works :)

[ Friday, July 15, 2005 04:20: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ] Now you _should_ also be able to get back both Greta and Alwan from the Bulwark Inn!

[edit2] My test have showed this works, if it doesn't please post here so that i can fix it.

[ Friday, July 15, 2005 04:20: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ]

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Can I get Greta back? in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 13 2005 00:53 Profile Homepage #5
quote:
Originally written by Dolphin.:

Well, the editor will change your stats, but they don't change SDFs. Someone let me know if I am mistaken, but I have not found an editor to do this.

Edit: Looking through z55westdockdlg.txt (Dhonal west docks, where Alwan/Greta will leave you before Gull Island) I'm not seeing the SDF that triggers the encounter.

Their talknodes are 30 - 53 if anyone else wants to try to find the flag.

sp
I think it's checking the major quests more than the general alignment. I will give it a look but i'm afraid tinkering with major quests might have repercussions later in the game... :-/

[ Wednesday, July 13, 2005 01:35: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ]Check this thread :)

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The reasoned character editor in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 13 2005 00:39 Profile Homepage #29
The files? Note that my editor consists only of "z42dhonaldlg.txt" :)

Could you please click on this link , let it open, be sure the last lines read:
begintalknode 199;
state = 60;
nextstate = 56;
condition = 1;
question = "Max skills. (Warning: will unbalance the game!)";
text1 = "You feel skillful";
code =
i =4;
while(i<=22){
alter_stat(i, 20);
i = i+1;
}
break;
and then save the page in your geneforge3 script directory

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The reasoned character editor in Geneforge Series
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 written Tuesday, July 12 2005 09:20 Profile Homepage #27
I'm sorry but you probably messed up the files with something else, i didn't touch the testing grounds

[ Tuesday, July 12, 2005 09:24: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ]
Please try putting back the old files and then download the script (be sure to download it all)

Anyway tomorrow i should release a stand-alone savegame editor that doesn't mess in-game scripts.

[ Tuesday, July 12, 2005 09:24: Message edited by: Indeterminatus ]

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A Fun Bit of GF3 Trickery! in Geneforge Series
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 written Monday, July 11 2005 09:43 Profile Homepage #2
Nice :)

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Angry Man in Geneforge Series
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 written Monday, July 11 2005 00:46 Profile Homepage #9
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There was something like that in Avernum 3 where going into one house makes it say there is a family having dinner screaming at you to leave. I mean really how would you react if someone just barged into your house.
And in Exile 3 there was a blademaster in Storm Port (IIRC) that would attack you when you barged in his room. :)

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The reasoned character editor in Geneforge Series
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 written Thursday, July 7 2005 11:14 Profile Homepage #16
Please try again.
Click here and then save it in your script folder. :)

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The reasoned character editor in Geneforge Series
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 written Thursday, July 7 2005 10:36 Profile Homepage #14
I've changed a few things(the formatting in some specific cases could get screwed up), now it should work whichever way you put it in the script folder.

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The reasoned character editor in Geneforge Series
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 written Thursday, July 7 2005 09:59 Profile Homepage #12
quote:
Originally written by arkadilo:

Now on the other editor I tried, where you talk to the librarian in Dhonal's Keep, everyone I tried to talk to had the same result.
It may be you have done a little mess with all the editors you downloaded ;)
Reinstall Geneforge 3 (or simply put back the original script files), download the script (be sure the file contains all 199 talknodes) and try again. If it doesn't work i have a problem to solve :P

Btw are you using a macintosh?

[Edit]
try this: open my script in the browser, select all and then copy. Open z42dhonaldlg.txt in your geneforge/data/scripts folder, delete all and paste my script

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Editors in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 6 2005 12:00 Profile Homepage #16
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Indeterminatus: Link fixed.
Thanks :)

Tomorrow i *may* have enough time to work to a page that holds the links to the editors, with their specific characteristics, in an orderly fashion.

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Editors in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 6 2005 10:59 Profile Homepage #10
I'm very open to make one unique editor, i'm just waiting for the other scripters to come say if they agree or not.

For the header link:
could you please use this link ( http://inf1.altervista.org/phptrack/track.php?file=z42dhonaldlg.txt) for my editor? It helps because the link will continue to work even if i move the script elsewhere and it gives me some statistics :)

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Editors in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 6 2005 10:09 Profile Homepage #2
quote:
Should I put them all in the header? Is one editor definitive?
AFAIK all the editor are missing something the others have.
Mine doesn't let you edit single stats by 1 point (i didn't do this because there already was another editor that did it) but let's you teleport while the other editors don't give you this ability.

Maybe we should do some constructive copy&paste and make one unique, definitive editor.

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The reasoned character editor in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 6 2005 10:05 Profile Homepage #5
If you're having problems with the scripts do post it here, it's the only way i have to fix it.

quote:
I keep getting 'dialog script broken or absent when I try to use it'. Anyone else have this problem? Any way it can be fixed to use the editor?
When? When you load or when you try to talk with the shaper?

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The reasoned character editor in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 6 2005 02:44 Profile Homepage #3
:)

Is there any specific feature that is needed?

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Scipting Resources in Geneforge Series
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 written Wednesday, July 6 2005 02:43 Profile Homepage #3
We will have to keep it up then ;)

quote:
Thank you for taking the time to make this.
I'm glad someone found it useful.

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Scipting Resources in Geneforge Series
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 written Monday, July 4 2005 08:01 Profile Homepage #0
These might be useful if you want to tinker with the scripts.

Full function list.

Stats, skills and abilites list.

Item list (this i just copied from Groupofglaahks's post in this thread )

Note that most of the functions don't show the needed argoments but i assure you it's not difficult to gather the info, you just need to check the scripts.

Feel free to post if something is not clear or doesn't work as intended :)

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The reasoned character editor in Geneforge Series
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 written Monday, July 4 2005 04:00 Profile Homepage #0
Here it is.

Like all geneforge editors, copy the linked file into the geneforge3/data/scripts directory (remember to make a backup copy of z42dhonaldlg.txt, or even better of the whole directory).

To use the editor go to Dhonal's keep main library and talk with the shaper that usually says he can't be bothered.

Some of the features:
Reset canister countTeleport to starting point of each islandMove nearer/farther to/from shaper beliefsIncrease walking speedThe usual money, stat, skill, level increase.Hope you like it :)
For any request for new featurs feel free to post.

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