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Originally written by Boeing:

Oh. My. God.

Alec, forgive me.

OVERHEAD DA ALBATROS
HANGS MOTIONLAS UPON DA ARE
AND DEP BNEATH TEH ROLNG WAEVS
IN LABYRINTHS OF CORAL CAEVS
AN 3CHO OF A DISTANT TIEM
COMES WILOWNG ACROS TEH SAND
AND EVERYTHNG IS GREN AND SUBMARIEN

AND11111! WTF LOL NO ONA CALED US 2 TEH LAND
AND NO ONA KNOWS TEH WHARES OR Y!!!1! OMG LOL STIRS AND SOM3THNG TREIS
STARTS 2 CLIMB 2WARD TEH LIGHT

STRANGARS1!1!1!! LOL PASNG IN TEH STRET
BY CHANC3 TWO SEPARAET GLANCAS MET
AND IM U AND WUT I SE IS ME
AND!!1111! LOL DO I TAEK U BY TEH HAND
AND LAAD U THROUGH DA LAND
AND HALP M3 TEH BST I CAN

AND!!!!! NO ON3 CAL3D US 2 TEH LAND
AND NO ON3 CROSES THEYRE ALIEV
NO1!!! ON3 SP3AKS AND NO ON3 TREIS
NO ONA FLEIS AROUND TEH SUN..

CLOUDLES!1!1!1!1!!1!!1!11!11 OMG LOL EVERYDAY U FAL
UPON MAH WAKNG EY3S
INVITNG AND INCITNG ME
2 RIES
AND!!!111! OMG WTF LOL THROUGH TEH WINDOW IN DA WAL
COME STREMNG IN ON SUNLIGHT WNGS
A MILION BRIGHT MBASADORS OF MORNNG

AND!1!1 WTF LOL NO ON3 SNGS ME LULABYAS
AND NO ON3 MAEKS MA CLOSE MAH AYAS
SO I THROW DA WINDOWS WIED
AND CAL 2 U ACROS TEH SKY..1!1!!1111!11!1!111 WTF

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?Genesis 19 is one of the most commonly cited anti-homosexual passages in the Bible. It is so frequently used that the term "Sodomite" that once referred to an inhabitant of Sodom, once became a legal term for criminal sexual acts, and has now become a derogatory synonym for a homosexual.?

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"Saying that the last recorded acts of the Sodomites -- the demands for same-gender sex -- are proof that they were destroyed for homosexuality is like saying that a condemned man cursing his guards on the way to his execution is being executed for cursing the guards. Sodom was judged worthy of destruction before the incident with Lot and the angels." ~Inge Anderson

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?It looks as if the translators were unclear of the meaning of the verse in its original Greek, and simply selected their favorite sin to attack. The original Greek is transliterated as: "sarkos heteras." This can be translated as "other flesh". Ironically, our English word "heterosexual" comes from "heteras."

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"Paul's writings have been taken out of context and twisted to punish and oppress every identifiable minority in the world: Jews, children, women, blacks, slaves, politicians, divorced people, convicts, pro choice people, lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transsexuals, religious reformers, the mentally ill, and the list could go on and on. Paul is often difficult and confusing to understand. A lot of Paul's writing is very difficult to translate. Since most of his letters were written in response to news from other people, reading Paul can be like listening to one side of a telephone conversation. We know, or think we know, what Paul is saying, but we have to guess what the other side has said."

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"Paul seems to be referring here to Pagan 'fertility cult worship prevalent in Rome' at the time. Vestiges of this type of sex magic are still seen today in some Neopagan religious traditions. "

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"To many religious liberals, gays, lesbians, mental health therapists, and human sexuality researchers, homosexual and bisexual orientations are normal, natural, and inborn for a small percentage of human adults. For gays, lesbians and bisexuals with these orientations, opposite-sex behavior would be abnormal and unnatural."

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"Deviating from the ordinary order either in a good or a bad sense, as something that goes beyond the ordinary realm of experience."

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?Verses 21-23: The people had once been Christians. But they had fallen away from the faith, and returned to Paganism. They made images of Pagan gods in the form of men, birds, animals and reptiles for their religious rituals. The latter were probably held in Pagan temples.?

?Verse 24: Next, they engaged in heterosexual orgies with each other as part of these pagan fertility rituals.?

?Verse 25: Next, they worshipped the images that they had made, instead of God, the creator. Paul is specifically condemning idol worship here.?

?Verse 26: Because of these forbidden practices, God intervened in these fertility sex-rituals and changed the people's behavior so that women started to engage in sexual activities with other women.?

?Verse 27: describes how God had the men also engage in same-sex ritual activities. They (presumably both the men and women) were then punished in some way for their error."

?Verse 28: Again, because they did not acknowledge God, then He gave them up to many different unethical activities and attitudes: evil, covetousness, malice, envy, murder, etc.?

?Many English translations render the end of Verse 27 as due penalty of their error. Their basic error was to leave Pauline Christianity, and engage in idolatry. That is the main theme of the argument. From the idolatry flowed sexual orgies, sexual behavior against their nature, wickedness, greed, murder, etc. The intent of the passage is to show how idolatry leads to complete degeneration of behavior: to evil, envy, treachery, spite, gossiping, etc. The reference to what was, for them, unnatural homosexual behavior seems almost incidental, to the story. It was merely one symptom of the results of Pagan idolatry.?

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?Some authorities believe that it simply means male prostitutes with female customers -- a practice which appears to have been a common practice in the Roman empire. One source refers to other writings which contained the word arsenokoitai: (Sibylline Oracles 2.70-77, Acts of John; Theophilus of Antioch Ad Autolycum). They suggest that the term refers ?to some kind of economic exploitation by means of sex (but not necessarily homosexual sex).? Probably ?pimp? or ?man living off of the avails of prostitution? would be the closest English translations. It is worth noting that ?Much Greek homosexual erotic literature has survived, none of it contains the word arsenokoitai.??

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?It is worthwhile to check the words attributed to Jesus by the author of the Gospel of Matthew. He also had a list of sins that could bring doom on a person: Matt 15:18-20: "...those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man..." It is worth noting that homosexual behavior is not one of the behaviors that is mentioned in this passage. One might conclude that Jesus did not consider it important.?

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Originally written by Arancaytar:


Kelandon's Catacombs? :)

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Originally written by Borg:

no, RPG's are better turn based than real time. It defeats the purpase of an RPG when battle is real time.

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Okay, the magic, sure. Fair enough.

And I didn't mean that you had already misinterpreted; I meant that the paragraph to come was to prevent misinterpretation. It's always interesting to come back and see that people are quoted me as saying something that I didn't say at all.

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Originally written by devlish:

Welcome Christie!

I love the shots of you on the medeival page. Nice sword & great to see another girl here. The drawing for the dragon cavanoskus is great. Christie Vs Photoshop is hauntingly beautiful. NICE mistake. I wish my goofs with the photo editor turned out that well.

I hope you have a wonderful time here despite the odd characters that inhabit this forum.

I am usually just a lurker unless somthing really catches my eye. I don't think anyone here gets my odd sense of humor so I usually don't burden them with it.

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Originally written by Kelandon:

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To teabag someone is to strike them -- variably in the forehead, the face in general, and the mouth, depending on who you ask -- using your bare scrotum.

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Welcome to Spiderweb, Cav!

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Originally written by Kelandon:

There were selkies and references to the Seelie and Unseelie Courts in Nethergate. Further proof that Jeff needs to make Nethergate 2.

Yeah, Cav, I think GF has the most to do with genetic engineering, but also touches on issues of racism, slavery, and other things, too. The parenthetical in my post that started this vein of conversation was an afterthought, because I figured that some people might not realize that GF dealt with serious issues.

By the way, I hate the term "playing God" and every variation on it that people use when describing genetic engineering. Every scientific advance since controlling fire has been gaining power over the forces of nature traditionally considerd the domain of gods. Learning how to grow our own food was "obtaining the powers of gods," because it allowed us to control when and what we would eat, instead of just eating whatever nature supplied us. But surely one can't argue that we'd overstepped our bounds ten thousand years ago by developing agriculture, I would think.

Because people tend to misinterpret the posts that I make that are like this (although you don't seem anywhere near as daft as the people who do, one can't be too cautious): I am not making an argument for or against any kind of genetic engineering. I'm just making a statement about my opinion on a certain kind of terminology.

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Originally written by SupaNik:

Going back to Keladon's post... I thought that GF centred on racism as well. Especially segregation. For instance the Shapers deemed themselves the ultimate race, with serviles being inferior. This is of course linked to slavery, but I feel it goes deeper.

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Originally written by Super Custer Wars Alpha:

Fair enough, but then again, you probably wouldn't have gotten this sort of reception if you had been born with bollocks, so them's the breaks.

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Originally written by Seaweed:

I prefered the Romans. You can't identify yourself with seksi spike-haired barbarians who use bodypaint. If you can, please contact a doctor.

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