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Seventh Plague link fixed. Redwall will be added shortly.

For whatever reason, I don't appear to have Arena of Death. Anyone got it?

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
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I just read the log. I'm amused at the fact that Bahs has become this celebrity scenario that people will talk about for no reason.

As far as I can tell, the only substantial discussion taking place was which size categories things go in. It might be worth resuming that discussion here. Exodus is clearly large, and so is Thralni's scen. A couple of scenarios are clearly small. Which scenarios are borderline and what should we do with them?

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Well, I'm there. I'll probably be idling there the whole day, checking in very occasionally.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Some time ago, Comcast decided to delete two of the three e-mail addresses I was using in order to host the Archive. I've re-created one and created a new one, so it should be back up and running.

Some of the download locations have changed (in case you have something linking directly to an Archive download). The joanna_wiz e-mail was replaced by wizcozski.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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As it turns out, I'm moving that day, so I may not be able to attend at all. I'll try, though.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Originally written by Synergy:

May I inquire what IS the point of what Jesus said
The question at hand was what the sea creature mentioned was supposed to be (in the story). The New Testament is one source for it, and it's the only source that I can speak about with some background.

If someone has a better handle on the references from the Old Testament, give some info. I'd like to know. So far we've heard that it's sometimes interpreted as a crocodile or something from the Hebrew.

[ Tuesday, August 22, 2006 19:24: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
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Ease up on the caps, please.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Originally written by Lowbacca:

And, i dont remember anything about a whale in the Odyssey, oohh well.
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Originally written by Kelandon:

the Odyssey uses it of seals (and at least one sea monster)
You might not remember the whale because there wasn't one. There were seals in Book 4, though.

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And, since its a side interest for you, what would you recommend studying exactly?
Classical culture. I'd recommend learning Greek and Latin and at minimum reading Homer, Plato, Vergil, and Cicero.

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Are you sure he spoke a Greek word?
Well, that's what the Bible says. The New Testament was written in Greek. I have no idea what the historical Jesus actually said, but the Jesus character in the Bible talked in Greek most of the time.

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Ok, well, he was speaking with the pharisees, who were Roman, and since Jesus knew all languages, he probably replied in Greek.
How does this make any sense? Refer to Alo's post, with the slight modification below.

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But since you just said there WAS a word that meant whale in Greek
When did I say that? I said that there was a word that meant "big sea monster" in Greek, not "whale."

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Of course i was largely wrong in assuming he invented the word, i was just guessing/assuming.
And you know what happens when you ass-u-me, right?

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Originally written by Minor Minor Minor Minor:

The Romans were not Greeks, so while the educated may have known Greek, they would have been more likely to speak Latin.
Well, to be fair, the eastern Romans by and large spoke Greek. Bilingualism was common; in cosmopolitan areas throughout the empire, one would be understood speaking either language.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Originally written by The Worst Man Ever:

'The Amazing Captain Linguistics forgets his history' was pointing out a far simpler way you could have gone about rebutting what you did - and as far as I'm concerned, a more useful one anyway. (Jesus not only wasn't referring to a whale, he couldn't have been referring to a whale - his language didn't have a word for it or even a concept of it.)
It seemed worthwhile to find out what the range of meanings of the term actually was. If we're talking about the meaning of a word, it seems very normal to look up the meaning in the most authoritative dictionary, because these meanings can be surprising. The Latin term mus refers to a rat or a mouse and makes no distinction, but it does not refer to, for example, a weasel. There was some sense that different words referred to different animals, although the distinctions didn't break down the way that they might now.

It is, as I said, far too easy to overstate the difference between the classical mind and the modern.
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Originally written by Que vaya al otro lado:

On the other hand, I'm not sure why he is using Greek either, really, except that it's closer to the original than English.
Someone made a reference to Matthew 12:40. I can't speak to the Old Testament in the original, but I can talk about the New.
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Originally written by Lowbacca:

Thats what I'm saying. There is so much nobody knows about Ancient Greek, its not even funny.
There's still a little that remains unknown, but it's strikingly little. If you want to talk about the evidence for Ancient Greek, I can actually talk about this with some knowledge, because it's one of my side interests; I don't just read the classical authors but like to know how we know what we know about them. There is enough information about this word to talk about it.
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Also, Personally, i dont follow the Lexicon. Yeah, its hard work, i agree, and the only people that should disagree with them, are people that are at least versed in such things.
This doesn't make any sense. Did you just say that you disagree with the dictionary, but you think that only people who know a lot of Greek should disagree with the dictionary? Am I to assume then that you are completely fluent in Classical Greek?

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The animal was created FOR this purpose of swallowing Jonah. Hence, it hadnt even been named by Adam. Therefor, Jesus had to come up with a name. Its like inventing your own word.
Jesus didn't invent this word. The New Testament is from roughly the first century. The word is first attested in the Odyssey, which predates it by about eight hundred years. Jesus used a word that was a Greek word by that point, not a made-up word.

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Also, its not really that hard giving the Greek translation of something, just look it up, it takes like, a minute, then you sound like youre a professor.
You're flat-out wrong here. You can find a translation of something, often, but that is not the same as translating it yourself. And translating something yourself is more than just looking up dictionary entries for each of the words (which for Greek is in itself non-trivial). Translation is complex, especially from Greek to English.

[ Tuesday, August 22, 2006 08:51: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Originally written by Dintiradan:

Kel, I think you need to put semicolons at the end of your character references.
Now that you mention it... it shows up fine for me, but I gather that it doesn't for you? I'll do that.
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Originally written by Student of Trinity:

I assume from the logic of Alec's argument that the 'Amazing Captain Linguistics' whom he is criticizing is not Kelandon but Lowbacca. He seems to be supporting the statement he quoted from Kelandon, not attacking it.
Oops. Habit, I suppose.

[ Monday, August 21, 2006 20:38: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Originally written by The Worst Man Ever:

Also, the Amazing Captain Linguistics forgets his history: the science of anatomy being in its infancy and the science of taxonomy being centuries away, the full knowledge of the relationship between sharks, whales, dophins, and fish was not understood, and all fell under 'sea creatures'. As far as the original authors of either Testament could reasonably be concerned, there was no special way to signify whale, nor any need for such a way; it was simply a large fish. 'Whale' is an ovetranslation; it'd be like taking 'je porte les vetements' (I'm wearing clothes) and translating it as 'I'm wearing a red hat'.
His Pomposity fails to note that I didn't actually say that it was a whale (because I don't think that it is). I just quoted a definition.

Anyway, I did get the LSJ to work, and it gives the same definition. It also notes that the Odyssey uses it of seals (and at least one sea monster), and Aristotle uses it of cetacea (whales, dolphins, and porpoises — the term actually derives from the Greek). Another author uses it of tuna.

The term really did mean "big sea-creature," as far as I can tell. Alec's point (that the Greeks didn't exactly have a great inventory of aquatic animals) is also worth noting here, but it can be overstated.

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I tried to do what you're talking about and failed. I guess I'll try again.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Frahhamn's slith graphics from the Louvre appear blurred (with white spots) in-game. The e-mail given with the graphics doesn't appear to work. Does anyone know how to get ahold of him or feel inclined to erase the off-white spots?

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Originally written by Lowbacca:

Actually, if you read Matthew 12:40, In the King James Edition, (which i dont want to debate why its better than NIV and all the other ones, cuz they suck), Jesus refers to it as a "Whale".
I prefer the Greek, myself. The word that Matthew uses is κήτος (ketos), which Perseus defines as "any sea-monster or huge fish." I would look it up in the LSJ (the most authoritative Greek dictionary), but the LSJ seems not to want to work with my computer right now.

[ Monday, August 21, 2006 20:38: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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For what job do you need a B.A. in English?

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Originally written by BainIhrno:

Another point of interest - my school does not weigh '+' and '-' attachments to letters into the GPA. Anyone else go to a school like this?
I think that's standard in all public schools in California.

[ Sunday, August 20, 2006 05:57: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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The other rule about college apps is that individual results vary wildly. You can always find someone who got in somewhere who had a low GPA/SAT score or got rejected somewhere who had a high GPA/SAT score.

By the way, graduate admissions, which I'm just now getting into, are not nearly as random and subjective. The tests are much harder (and college GPAs much lower), so there are not nearly as many people with near-perfect numbers. You're a much safer bet to get into the law school of your choice with a 4.0 college GPA and a 180 LSAT than to the college of your choice with a 4+ high school GPA and a 2400 on the new SAT.

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Oh, yeah. I forgot.

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As WKS said, community service, leadership, and whatever else are definitely the third consideration, after GPA and SAT score. GPA and test scores are almost the entire application at large schools. Large schools use that third factor as a tie-breaker.

Different schools have different ways of counting GPA and test scores, though: some schools ignore grades from freshman year, some schools take your highest individual subscores from different sittings of the SAT, etc. The way to know how they count things is to check the school's website.

I teach test prep, which is how I know this. College apps are related to my actual work.

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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E-mail. Bug reports by e-mail.

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Maybe their skills lie in different areas. Your fighter with a NL of 2 may be an expert on berries and know nothing else. Your mage with a NL of 8 may know every rock and tree in the caves, but he may not know anything about berries. Between the two of them, they can identify more than they could separately.

Besides, it's usually good not to change the way that skills work unless you're intending a specific effect, and it doesn't sound as though you are.

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WKS also said "not of me," which raises the obvious question: who's the person in that picture?

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I know that this point has been made before, but it's probably a good idea to check the total Nature Lore in the party, not the Nature Lore on the highest member. That's been standard in all the Avernums, and it wouldn't do to change it without a really good, specific reason.

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Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Sounds good to me.

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