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In Glory I Am Returned in General
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Profile #18
I'd like to congradulate you all for welcoming me back, and hope that you'll love me this much in the future…

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
Romeo and Juliet. Thoughts? in General
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Profile #12
quote:
Originally written by Semodius:

R&J are clearly emo; they both end up cutting in the end. :P
^funny

I'm woth (yes, woth) the R/J-are-stupid crowd, in general. I think they should have ran away first.

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
Charge ion cannons. in General
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Member # 1768
Profile #29
Does that million-per-minute gun remind anybody of Jackal?

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
What will come after Avernum4 for Windows? in General
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Member # 1768
Profile #17
I realize he's got bills to pay, but I'm still crying over BoE, I haven't become desensitized yet.

EDIT:
quote:
Originally written by Prometheus:

My bet is, it'll be unoriginal.
Word…yo.

[ Tuesday, January 24, 2006 17:37: Message edited by: Desert Pl@h ]

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
The death of BoE forum in Blades of Exile
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Member # 1768
Profile #6
EDIT: On second thought, it's more of the same problem in BoA. Go see the BoA forum. And of course, nobody updates the scenario tables. But that's nothing new.

[ Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:47: Message edited by: Desert Pl@h ]

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
Free games.. exile series? in General
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Member # 1768
Profile #26
True dat…yo. Oh wait, I'm from Kansas, I'm not allowed to say that…

EDIT: I know that^ may look like a response to spring's post, which could sound bad on my part, but I was taking time to respond to Imban's post while spring posted.

So for my contribution to the normal n00b topic turned TM:

I've met a few who might consider BoE abandonware, simply because of the lack of support. A liberal definition of the word at best.

As for TM…I've hated him at times, but I got over it. We're still happily married and living in a little cottage in The GLORIOUS REVOLUTION NATION PLACE OF CHINA.

[ Wednesday, January 18, 2006 20:00: Message edited by: Desert Pl@h ]

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
2016 in General
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Member # 1768
Profile #23
quote:
Originally written by Prometheus:

Quoted for outright stupidity
Quoted for arrogance and egotismism.

In 2016, the world will be ruled by an organization known as Galactica, which will be headed by me. Poverty, sadness, and dissent will no longer exist because anyone below the rank of "Premium Member" will be forced to undergo a frontal lobatomy. Everyone of that rank or above, save the Graet Laeder Plah himself will be addicted to LSD.

EDIT:
quote:
Originally written by Micawber:

Culturally/technologically: Avernum 9 will be ported to Windows AI, and Geneforge 9 will be released for Mac OS Kappa
I think this is the best answer yet.

[ Monday, January 09, 2006 11:45: Message edited by: Desert Pl@h ]

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
The Political Compass Reloaded in General
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Member # 1768
Profile #32
quote:
Originally written by Ash Lael:

I consider myself to be fairly centrist.

Edit: Yup. Economic Left/Right: 1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.41

Of course, that makes me a rabid right winger here.

Word to that…yo.

Also word to what TM just said.

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
Problem in Blades of Exile
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Member # 1768
Profile #16
Sorry Kel, my internet here is gay; it won't let me look at a "games" related site. I suppose I can use somewhat-nefarious methods to view it, though. =D

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
Problem in Blades of Exile
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Member # 1768
Profile #12
tKel: What I meant to say was: Is it as notorious as BoE?

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
Problem in Blades of Exile
Lifecrafter
Member # 1768
Profile #9
Just because I've been out of the loop: does BoA need updating?

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
Oh holy cwap, I've just quoted SBad, I'm horrible! in Blades of Exile
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Profile #0
BoE is no place for a mighty warrior!!!

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
I Made You, I Can Unmake You in General
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Member # 1768
Profile #31
I for one NEVER EVER use ellipses…(just to make a mockery of the explainations-for-ellipses bandwagon)…except when I want to take command of a third world country and use it to make jokes.

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
I Made You, I Can Unmake You in General
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Member # 1768
Profile #7
TM, you're making about as much sense as a blow-up doll wearing a toupee.

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
God Stuff (Antichrist! You better spell it right! ) in General
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Profile #131
Tell me Syn, because I'm curious, and I haven't been here, you believe souls are eternal, correct? My main question is this: What is going to happen when we're all "in God" (or however you describe your utopian universe)?

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
AC1 in Blades of Exile
Lifecrafter
Member # 1768
Profile #6
Make sure you have the sapphire necklace before leaving the wine cellar/ exiting the town with the editor. It helps you gain entrance to the thieves' guild.

BTW, on the subject, I don't recall where to find what's-his-face's sword for the guild quest, any help?

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
God Stuff (Antichrist! You better spell it right! ) in General
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Member # 1768
Profile #122
I find it hard to continue in this conversation, the limit of questionable or intolerable words has exceeded it's limit. I think it's a bug with the firewalling/blocking system here at the dorms. Probably due to many words in posts.

I can't even read the rest of Syn's post, the one that begins
quote:
You’re right about that. I worry frequently how my words “sound”, moreso than simply the content I choose.
Ach, de lieber!

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
God Stuff (Antichrist! You better spell it right! ) in General
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Member # 1768
Profile #120
quote:
Feel free to run around as much fluff as you like,
Yay.

I'm stepping out of the conversation for a moment. 8 page research paper and a timeline due in like 2 days.

And TM? Learn to take a joke, then go love a woman, genius.

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
God Stuff (Antichrist! You better spell it right! ) in General
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Member # 1768
Profile #100
quote:
Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon:

A Vatican cardinal said Thursday the faithful should listen to what secular modern science has to offer, warning that religion risks turning into "fundamentalism" if it ignores scientific reason.

*this message sponsored by the number 19*

Raise your hand if you care what Cardinals say *doesn't raise hand* :P .

Syn, you didn't get the idea that I want to go out and do those things I said, did you? What I said applies to someone who hasn't been "saved" too. You've said that we eventually all end up in the state/realm of heaven, whether coming through torment or not. If I didn't believe in God before meeting with you, I'd still have no reason to change the way I live. I have no reason to change anything.

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
God Stuff (Antichrist! You better spell it right! ) in General
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Profile #95
quote:
Originally written by Pien' Kiusanhenki:

Also, because this subject came up in our study today.. please people.. don't mention hell to me. Right now that subject just makes me angry. I don't know if you believe in it, but I hope you see through Satan's horrible lies.
There is an excellent example in the book 'What Does The Bible Really Teach?' about that. Let me retell it to you and you decide how it makes you feel.
quote:
What would you think about a man, who'd punish an unobedient child by holding their hands in a fire? Would you respect him? Would you even want to know him? You wouldn't, no doubt about it. You'd probably think of him as extremely cruel. Yet Satan wants you to believe that Jehovah tortures people in a fire forever - billions of years!
Just.. 1 John 4:8 "-- God is love."

I wanted you all to know that. I nearly burst into tears when we got to that part because I just got so angry, and sad. It's a horrible thing to believe.

Which is better, the man who holds his kid's hand in the fire or the one who puts a bullet through the kid's head? You're describing the latter. Just think about it.

Also, Satan wants us to believe that condemnation isn't eternal, or that hell isn't real. That way, we can sin all he wants us to without fear of punishment.

quote:
Originally written by Synergy:

I’ll state again that I am not a great original thinker or researcher. These are not my own ideas. Others have done great research, study, and spiritual seeking to begin restoring a lot of this vision to the scriptures. These aren’t new ideas either. They’ve just always been outside the organized church doctrinal slants.



It doesn’t have to be our own interpretation or research. Some do that kind of work with their gifts and energies. Most of us do not. When we hear a thing the Spirit gives witness to and peace with His truth the more we learn to discern with that mind and not the natural mind.



Okay, so I got one part of my statement a little off, a small edit can allow it to stand. "I believe that the Holy Spirit in me brings me to the conclusion, when reading scripture, that is similar to many who have come before me, and therefore that conclusion is valid. You, correct me if I'm wrong, but with few words, please, believe that the Holy Spirit, through spiritual gifts and illumination, has revealed the intent/correct interpretation of scripture to the people who taught you, whether through literature or personal contact. Or conclusions are contradictory, and therefore one or both must be inaccurate or false."

MIDWAY EDIT: And dang for hitting the "post" button before I realize that I'm not done.

quote:
Originally written by Thuryl the Magnificant:

If you're not amused, you can always stop watching.
Yay for Thuryl.

And Syn, you're putting way to many words into your responses. I already knew you would say this:
quote:
Originally written by Synergy:

I can’t answer it quite the way you asked it...sorry. So let me prelude it a bit first. Jesus died for all, paid the debt for all sin, is given authority over all, and promises do what He wills, which is that all be saved. I don’t say they need to be “Christian” because it’s such a word loaded with history and religion and convolution, that it has no spiritual meaning to me. Salvation is not adopting a religious faith and rituals, but simply being redeemed from one’s disconnection from God, from a state of spiritual death back into union and life. So, through Christ, a human soul is reunited with our Father and brought ultimately into incorruptible life. Will this eventually, in some time or place, by some means of our able and fervent Christ happen to everyone who ever breathed, walked, talked, lived, or died?

I knew you would say that because you've said it before. I simply wanted to be sure, and to have a definate:

quote:
Originally written by Synergy:


Yes.

What you've said, is that no matter what I choose to do with my life, I will enter the "Kingdom of Heaven" as you see it, which can only be a good thing. You're saying with this simple yes, that anyone can be as evil as they please, and it won't matter. I could walk over to the girls' dorm, rape a few and murder the rest, and then go eat some babies, and I'd still end up in "heaven", whether or not I believed that those sins were forgiven. (Keep in mind, I wouldn't EVER do that, because I find it sick and disgusting.) Sounds sick? It is, and it's what your "yes" says. I urge you to reconsider.

[ Friday, November 04, 2005 08:13: Message edited by: Desert Pl@h ]

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
THE PEARL CONTEST BEGINS in Blades of Exile
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Profile #13
Oh crap, I totally forgot. Possibly because of my long absence. Well, my second scenario is far from being anything, and my last one (the Foolish Giant) is too bedtime-storylike to be edited sufficiently (and I don't know how legal that is, rule-wise), and it looks like I may be dropping out.

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
God Stuff (Antichrist! You better spell it right! ) in General
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Profile #72
quote:
Originally written by Synergy67:


But, generally, they are the processes Christ, the Conqueror armed with the two-edged sword of the Word and riding us down upon powerful horses, uses to break open our full redemption from our carnality (earthy!) in thinking and doing so we may become overcomers fit to be given spiritual authority as kings and priests in Christ. We are all a microcosm. We have an inner earth, sea, and heaven within us to be conquered and subdued and made bride to the bridegroom so a Manchild can be born out of us with maturity to be “caught up to the throne (rulership) of God”. This is what we must endure if we are to win the race and attain as Paul exhorted us.

Or, to put it really simply, Christ has to do a serious remodel job inside us to make us fit to rightly administer His life to the world with the authority to do it. Kind of like the brutal training soldiers and weight-lifters have to endure in which autonomy or muscles are broken down in order to build a new discipline.



Signified, signified, sign-ified. Put into signs. The earth is a symbol. The whole book is symbols. There are literal seas, earth, and heavens, and there are prophetic/spiritual seas, earth, and heaven. The horses being ridden aren’t literal. The earth being brutalized in various ways isn’t terra firma, and Jesus isn’t really a lamb or a lion. The stars are not going to fall out of the “heavens”, but the lights which have guided us which are not the Sun are going to fall from their position of being “lights” to us. The heavens in us are the spiritual place of rulership over us, the earth is our soulish realm (mind/will/emotions) which is to fuse a new creation life married to the Spirit in us, and the seas are the low, murky, seething basest carnality within us, animal passion and fleshly appetites. All three must be brought into subjection to Christ for us to overcome and be made kings and priests. There will be great shakings and earthquakes. The city we have built is going to fall and Christ will build the mansion and make us fit to partake of the “holy city” that is New Jerusalem.

Five is the number of grace. The fifth seal involves a work of grace involved in our complete redemption.

Re 6:9 And when he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony that they held

When you really are able to start seeing with the eyes of high spiritual language, you may see that souls are indeed slain by the horseman during the fourth seal. Your soul has to die in order to be born again into a new life in Christ. It happens below the altar (found in the temple which is within us) because of the Word which is a two-edged sword proceeding from the mouth of Christ. When we bear witness to the Word of God coming to us with life and power, it also has power to kill, so we might live anew. It kills the old soul life.

All these statements of yours seem to be based on an interpretation of scripture that you say is a result of the Holy Spirit at work in you. I claim to have the same Holy Spirit working in me, and come to a different conclusion. Because I also believe that the Spirit would not lead two different people to different conclusions, I doubt whether or not you have the Holy Spirit working in you. You might think the same of me. This cannot be resolved by anything we have to say, only by what happens after we die.

quote:
Originally written by Synergy67:


The point here is, though, that this was a prophecy given to the body of believers through John around 90 A.D. saying the time is at hand. It’s not about what time is to God. It’s what is time to those receiving the message. When prophecies were made concerning the Christ to come, God did not say, “This is going to come to pass shortly.” That’s the simplest obvious difference.

Are you saying that it's already taken place? That seems to be what you're saying, in your earlier post.

quote:
Originally written by Synergy67:


Prophetic symbology is consistent. God is helpful like that, just as His nature never changes. A “woman” in prophecy is a church, and also speaks of the soul which is represented by the female. “Church” in Greek is “ekklesia” and means “the called out”.

A woman can also mean woman, city, nation, or group of people. The concept of a church was unknown to OT writers. The most they had was a temple, and there was only one of those.

quote:
Originally written by Synergy67:


I can’t say it’s a rule. What Israel and the law were in the OT prefigures, shadows, and types much of what the full body of believers are in the dispensation of grace (and beyond) given to all the earth. It’s there to demonstrate a principle of how God works either way. Prophecies like Joel are awesome in that they have had both an earthly fulfillment (like the feasts) and a more spiritual fulfillment which we can experience internally when God’s judgements are going to work in us. The names of all those nations have meanings, and when you look at what the nations represent by the meaning of their names, you can begin to see what God has promised to do in our own inner earth on a spiritual level too.




It's a rule of Dispensational theology. You're trusting that you've got the Holy Spirit making this clear to you, that Isreal is indeed representative of the Church/all-believers, which is something that distinguishes Dispensationalism from Covenant theology. One of those minor divisions among denomonations.

And I have a simple question, which can only accept a yes or no answer (hopefully I'll word it right so that's true!): Do you believe that all people, whether "christian" or not, dead or not, will enter what you understand to be the "Kingdom of Heaven?"

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
God Stuff (Antichrist! You better spell it right! ) in General
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Member # 1768
Profile #64
Wow, Kel, I never would have guessed.

Okay, I'm done as far as anything is concerned. I learned not to try and change people's minds a long time ago, this is for strengthening my own faith and of those around me. Specifically those on the board.

Fun trivia: The JW Kingdom Halls in and around my city have no windows…anywhere :P .

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
God Stuff (Antichrist! You better spell it right! ) in General
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Profile #61
quote:
Originally written by Pien' Kiusanhenki:


Also, just think of science. It's proved that the earth is millions of years old. If the seven days were literal, earth would only be 6000 years old. But it's not. The seven days are figurative. They were long periods of time, thousands of years.

Possible, but there's no reason God couldn't have used 7 days. I ask you to remember that God is outside of time. Time is a restriction that we live and think by. Being God allows him to create a universe in no time, because with God there is no time. Besides, we all know carbon-dating is flawed (somewhat of a joke, I don't have the facts to back that up, and is not meant to become a point of contention). I'm not saying I believe firmly in either the 7 day or the intelligent design theory, I'm just saying either is possible. A point to be dropped.

quote:
Originally written by Pien' Kiusanhenki:


Then Plah:
quote:
First, I'm going to have to ask you to re-translate "No, because exactly."
No, as in not out of context. Because exactly, as in you sort of got it correct, but not entirely.

quote:
Second, The Gospel of John, 10:30 "I and the/my Father are One." (NIV/KJV)
Let's have some verses that are linked to this as explanation.
John 10:38 "But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, in order that you may come to know and may continue knowing that the Father is in union with me and I am in union with the Father."

I have no idea what the finnish bible was translated from, but two word for word translations (KJV and NASB) and a thought for thought translation (NIV) don't have the word union anywhere in there. I've only checked 3, and not the Greek, but I think it's a good bet that the word isn't in there.

quote:
Originally written by Pien' Kiusanhenki:


John 17:11 "Also, I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are."

I looked that up, and that's similar to what the KJV says, but it's not very strong. The NIV has another "one" at the end, and it's referenced to John 10:30, where Jesus stated with the same word that he and the Father are "one". I want to see the Greek on this… The KJV was translated from different manuscripts than the NIV, and the NIV manuscripts are older, so I'm a little more partial to it, even though the words are a bit more mixed for grammar purposes.

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Originally written by Pien' Kiusanhenki:


John 17:21 "in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth."



John 14:10 "Do you not believe that I am in union with the Father and the Father is in union with me? The things I say to you men I do not speak of my own originality; but the Father who remains in union with me is doing his works."

Again, I didn't see the words "union with" in there anywhere, and I'm really curious as to how to speak finnish :P .

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Originally written by Pien' Kiusanhenki:


Remember John 1:1-3? Jesus is Word and he was with God in the beginning, that beginning being the first verses of Genesis. He was there as the masterworker.

John 1:1 says "In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God." Key words: was God. Later on, in verse 18, John says "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known."

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Originally written by Pien' Kiusanhenki:

What, by the church you mean? Catholics and all of them? Or in his own times?
I meant by those in his time.

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Originally written by Synergy67:

For anyone who is not automatically threatened by the possible roles of the stars in the heavens, which God created and said He gave as signs, it is known that we are in or near a period of change from the age of Pisces (the two fishes, fish being a symbol of the church and also two being the number of witness), to the age of Aquarius, the one who pours the jar of water out upon the earth. This represents a transition of ages to the fullness of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, symbolized often by water, upon the earth. The signs of the Zodiac are highly spiritual, and predate the Babylonian religion of astrology. Some traditions trace the Zodiac back to Noah’s sons. I believe the signs (12 in number, 12 being the Biblical number of divine government) tell a very Biblical, spiritual story of the progressive works of God in the world and within us.

Oh, dear. The fish symbol is derived from the greek word for fish (icthys), the letters of which are an acrostic put together by early christians that say in greek (roughly) Jesus Christ God Son and Savior. This was used as a code symbol for early christians to identify with each other without fear of being killed in the roman empire.

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It is also good to note that God makes things specially complete in threes, thus the importance of recognizing the three feasts, even if we are yet in the second.

Does this mean that, because I'm the third son of a third son of a third son (that's 3 generations) that I'm complete in some way? God also used other "special" numbers, such as the number 40 (look in the old testement, it's everywhere) or 7 or 12.

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YLT: Rev 1:1 A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify it, having sent through his messenger to his servant John,

KJV: Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Second, a critical detail to note is the word “signified.” This word in Greek literally means “put into signs.” The vision is put into signs. It is symbolic. Jesus spoke in parables. Prophecies are given in symbols. This is the language of the Spirit. So why people look at the imagery in the vision and fear literal hailstones falling, seas turning into literal blood, literal locust-like creatures hurting people, a literal “man of sin” walking into a literal temple in Jerusalem and ruling the earth, literal fires or beasts or lambs—or anything else in the vision—is simply baffling.

So tell me, what are each of the seven seals symbolic of? (see later down for more on this)

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Originally written by Synergy67:


A third thing to note is the vision talks about things “to come to pass shortly/quickly”. It was imminent. It speaks of things pertinent to the time the vision was given, not some distant sci-fi tale of dread for a far off age 2000 years or more into the future. It continues to be pertinent.

Tell me, what's shortly or quickly for God? It took 400+ years for his promise of a Messiah to be fulfilled (thousands if you include Genesis' promise to the woman). Not a point I've heard much about on either side, something I should ask about and research so I can back it up.

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So, whatever is in The Revelation we know was already beginning or soon to begin unfolding, and that it involves the revealing of Jesus Christ. Everything else is incidental to and supportive of that theme. In this light, many have come to see the vision talking about the plans and means at the disposal of Jesus Christ to reveal Himself within all of us and to all creation. He purchased all with His blood. He has been given the keys of death and hell and triumped over death for all the world. The revelation is a glorious and sometimes sobering picture of how He is going to come forth and conquer all hearts and usher in the fullness of the Kingdom in earth, seen in the New Jerusalem (a new heavenly government) appearing in the earth.

The scroll of seven seals is the Kinsman-Redeemer scroll of Hebrew culture and written about in the Old Testament. It involves the case in which a person sold into slavery for a debt he could not pay could be redeemed by a blood relative who paid the debt. The scroll was sealed until that debt was paid, and only a kinsman-redeemer could take the scroll and break the seal, releasing the debtor into from his bondage. So, this is what the opening of the scroll in Revelation is all about...our ultimate and complete redemption from slavery to sin and death. It’s a familiar cultural symbol to a Jew in the first century A.D. It means little to modern Europeans and Americans. This is a very good example of how we need to learn something of cultural context if we hope to make anything meaningful out of much of scripture.

Jesus is of course our Kinsman-Redeemer Who is worthy to open the scroll and who purchased us with His blood. Seven is the Hebrew number of divine perfection/completion (on the seventh day God rested) It is a perfect work completed by breaking seven seals. Jesus is also the rider of the four horses coming forth to make war on our earth. He lays waste to our inner soil of carnal thoughts and works, for we are earth and we are the garden in which He plants the good seed. We may have to have our false crops beaten down with hailstones, our fields ridden over and plowed up for new life to be birthed from the soil of our soul, our waters turned bitter so we might turn to drink only of the life-giving water of the Holy Spirit. We have to be killed even with “death” (to former thoughts and ways) and starved of what has formerly and falsely sustained us. He is the Hound of Heaven, the Conqueror on the white horse (always a symbol of purity) riding into our earth to conquer sin and death in US.

The section with these seals being opened is clearly about the Earth. The horsemen are told to do actions upon the Earth (take peace, etc). How does your theory apply the fifth seal?

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There is a false prophet to the truth and life of the working of Christ. There is a harlot church/bride who fornicates with the kings of the earth, working against our ultimate redemption and union with the true Bridegroom, yet even God calls her a golden cup in His hand, achieving His ends despite her whoring ways. There is a bestial system in the world which rises out of the seas, (which are the symbol of the deep churning waters of the carnal soul) which opposes and attempts to subdue and rule us instead of Christ within us. There is a “man of sin” (spuriously and erroneously assumed to be “the antichrist”) within us which seeks to make itself god within the temple that we are.

I don't think it ever mentions a harlot church.

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Originally written by Pien' K:


No, because exactly. Through him all things were created. Jehovah HIMSELF created ONLY JESUS, and then used Jesus as his masterworker for creating everything else. And there's a dozen and dozen more verses for that and more, but darn it!

First, I'm going to have to ask you to re-translate "No, because exactly."
Second, The Gospel of John, 10:30 "I and the/my Father are One." (NIV/KJV)

And, of course, Jesus never resisted being worshipped as God.

Oh, and Syn, I looked up your verse from Joel, (about cleansing the blood) and that is written directly to Judah. Read the stuff before it that has a bunch of not-nice things to say to Egypt and Edom. This is one of the big points of Dispensationalism, a rule that says we can't substitute "the Church" or "believers" in the Old Testement prophecy any place it says "Isreal" or "Judah".

[ Tuesday, November 01, 2005 09:05: Message edited by: Desert Pl@h ]

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"Oh, North Wind, why frighten others?
In Nature's family all are brothers.
Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss;
You can't frighten Shingebiss.
Bring your frost and ice and snow;
I'm still free to come and go.
You can never frighten me,
One who never fears is FREE!"
-Shingebiss, the mighty duck
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