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10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Tuesday, March 11 2008 04:08 Profile #60 I am no troll. It's not as if I am going out of my way to offend, but I'm not going out of my way to be politically correct (TM) either. It is rather amusing that I've nettled so many people, though. Sort of like an added bonus to speaking my mind. [ Tuesday, March 11, 2008 04:11: Message edited by: Lepus timidus ] -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Tuesday, March 11 2008 03:55 Profile #58 quote: Originally written by Kryten: You know LT, you really piss me off. Hahah, yeah. That's one of my other gifts. [ Tuesday, March 11, 2008 03:55: Message edited by: Lepus timidus ] -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
The Ultimate Faction Survey Poll in Geneforge Series
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Tuesday, March 11 2008 03:52 Profile #20 quote: Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar: [QB]Once again, the numbers show the inherent cowardice of Spiderweb members. There is always a large number of people who support the Awakened, yet, when the Awakened are taken out of the equation, many turn to the Shapers. This shows that most people support creation rights, but when it comes down to actually fighting for what you believe in, they are afraid to go the extra mile, and instead choose to flee back to the conservative side rather than take a chance with the Rebellion. Yep. A lot of these 'Rebel' sympathizers like Diki reminds me of those animal rights sympathizers. Intellectual mothertruckers sitting in front of their fireplace, swilling their red wine and pondering "Hmm, perhaps Bessie the Cow can feel pain and some measure of emotion. Perhaps it is unethical to turn her into dog mince?", but when they see terrorist actions by the Animal Liberation Front on their flat screen TV, recoil and empathatically protest "Oh hell no, we weren't condoning such brutish behaviour." where behaviour = anything that involves rectifying an unjust situation with more than just a limp wristed, half-hearted verbal commentary. -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Tuesday, March 11 2008 03:46 Profile #56 Hey, what can I say? It's a gift. -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Tuesday, March 11 2008 03:25 Profile #54 I'm well aware what a 'dhimmi' is, and I'm well aware that infidels in non-Muslim aren't technically dhimmis. It's a pity you can't appreciate the subtleties of why I used that term. Edit: To hell with it. There's no need to have this debate muddied with semantics. The term has been with the technically correct term 'infidel'. [ Tuesday, March 11, 2008 03:31: Message edited by: Lepus timidus ] -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Tuesday, March 11 2008 03:11 Profile #52 quote: Originally written by Andraste: quote: Originally written by Higher Game: while the West has Muslims. Yeah, cause all Muslims are violent. My organic chemistry TA tried to kill me on several occasions last semester. No, not all Muslims are violent. But Middle Eastern Muslims almost always support violence against the West, either explicitly or implicitly. Such a propensity for violence against the heathen is supported by scripture. Added to which, Islamic Middle Easterners have deep in their subconscious a festering hatred of the West, especially America (rather ironic, since America wasn't the one who nerfed the Arabs). The Muslims might not actively support terrorism, yet I'm sure even the most placid of them feels a little spark in their soul when they hear about successful terrorist attacks against the United States, Spain, Britain, France, Denmark, or any privileged country which isn't a theocratic hellhole. That's the problem with the Middle East. Middle Eastern societies aren't moderate societies with a few radicals, they are societies brainwashed into hating the infidels. Apparently the infidels are to blame for every little thing, from the collapse of the magnificent Islamic caliphates to the bunyon on Uncle Mohammed's left foot. Which is why civilized nations such as America will never succeed in taming these savage people. [ Tuesday, March 11, 2008 03:30: Message edited by: Lepus timidus ] -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Tuesday, March 11 2008 02:42 Profile #51 quote: Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon: quote: Originally written by Lepus timidus: I never said that Eastern culture was homogenous... No, but you did compare the reasoning power of Alorael to that of a person with Down's Syndrome. Now, before I can agree, I would like to hear more of your assessment, particularly how you are so intimately familiar with both Alorael, and this mysterious acquaintance with Down's. No I didn't. "I'm sorry, meme, but that's the sort of point I'd expect someone with Down Syndrome to make. So obvious and accepted as common fact that it doesn't really need to be stated." Looks like a certain cold fish needs to take a lesson or two in literary comprehension. Edit: I just noticed that my karma has gone down a star! I wonder why? :confused: [ Tuesday, March 11, 2008 02:43: Message edited by: Lepus timidus ] -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Monday, March 10 2008 22:34 Profile #45 quote: Originally written by Thuryl: quote: Originally written by Lepus timidus: I'm no racist. I detest Eastern culture, and its blatant disregard for human (and animal) life and liberty. The fact that those of Eastern culture overwhelming tend to be non-whites is coincidental. Please, by all means, tell us more about how there is only one "Eastern culture" and everyone from the "East" believes and acts in the same ways. I never said that Eastern culture was homogenous... -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Monday, March 10 2008 21:37 Profile #43 quote: Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar: Not only have the mods never been fair, Maybe they are from the Middle-East, and we are the dhimmis? quote: but considering the fact that the mod agrees that you are a racist, I severely doubt that. Racist. I'm no racist. I detest Eastern culture, and its blatant disregard for human (and animal) life and liberty. The fact that those of Eastern culture overwhelming tend to be non-whites is coincidental. -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Monday, March 10 2008 21:34 Profile #42 quote: Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon: [QB]For whatever it's worth, LT, you're repugnant. The truth often is. It's hardly my fault that Eastern culture is inferior to that of the West. -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Monday, March 10 2008 20:41 Profile #39 Emperor: quote: LT: Eddie Murphy is also responsible for one of the biggest box office failures of all time. I'm surprised you, as a racist, failed to acknowledge this. Oh, I'm sorry. I merely looked at that list of box office hits you provided when you asserted that there were no black protaganists and noticed Beverly Hills Cop (II). I thought that might be a relevant observation, but apparently your idiotic observation that Eddie Murphy has been in flop movies is apparently more relevant despite the fact that many famous white actors have also participated in movies that were dismal failures. Never mind. I bow to your genius. Your claim that I'm a racist is a personal attack. I know I'm pointing out the obvious, but if a moderator comes blundering in to ban me for 'racism', I at least expect the rules to be enforced consistently. Meme: quote: Oh, where to start... Yes, Europeans have been fighting with Asians for millenia. They've also been fighting Europeans for much the same reasons for a similar length of time. This makes a lot of sense, as Europe and Asia are one long landmass. Europeans have been fighting Europeans? Really? I'm sorry, meme, but that's the sort of point I'd expect someone with Down Syndrome to make. So obvious and accepted as common fact that it doesn't really need to be stated. The fact remains that many times in the past, ravaging invaders from the Middle East and Asia, who are often less progressive culturally and have a strange fetish for decapitation, have crossed the continental borders to rape and pillage. So movies such as 300 and 10,000 BC are quite accurate: There is a long history of conflict between Europe and Asia/Middle East, and these peoples were often savage and vicious (although sometimes military advanced, such as in the case of the Ottomans, Persians and brown people in 10,000 BC) and often grossly outnumbered whitey, who was fighting tooth and nail in the face of overwhleming odds to preserve life, land and liberty. quote: The Battle of Tours was indeed a case of Arab/Berber aggression, So you agree that the Battle of Tours was a case of Arab/Berber aggression? It's nice to know that we both acknowledge that the Arabs/Berbers were the ravaging invaders. quote: The Moorish conquest of Iberia was a political struggle So you admit that the Moors conquered Iberia? Excellent. Another case of Muslim aggression. quote: Vienna? Standard invasion. By standard invasion, you mean a long history of conflict between the Ottomans and south/central Europe? But again, we are in agreement. Ottoman (Turkish Muslim) aggression. quote: The Crusades don't fit here, as they were undeniably Christian incursions into non-Christian territory by definition False. The Crusades were initated in response to Muslim aggression. Ya know, the Muslim aggression which resulted in the conquest of approximately 2/3's of Christian land and the reduction of the Christian population by 50%? The ethnic cleansing in Sicily? The fall of Byzantium (now known as Istanbul... I wonder why?) The continued raids against Christian lands, where Christians would be forcibly converted/enslaved/killed? The imposition of dhimmitude on native non-Muslims? This isn't to say that the Crusaders were little angels, but to portray them as the aggressors is historical revisionism. A rather racist and politically correct revisionism, at that. quote: Now, let's compare white history. We've got constant warfare in Greece, Roman imperial expansion, Vikings, the succession from Picts to Anglo-Saxons to Normans in England, repeated clashes between England and France, and two World Wars, just to start. O RLY? A few points: 1. Up until the last few centuries, white nations were often the underdogs while being ravaged by their less civilized neighbours. Up until the colonial era, whitey wasn't really capable of taking on the Ottomans, the Mongols, the Chinese, the Japanese, the Arabs, hell... pretty much anyone outside of Europe. So when a movie portrays white civilizations as the underdog struggling bravely against numerically superior hordes of mad brown people baying for blood, it is actually quite accurate. 2. Even during the colonial period, the white nations who engaged in colonialism proceeded in their conquests in a much more civilized and fair-handed manner than non-whites had against whites. There are exceptions to this rule, such as King Leopold II in the Congo, yet there was such outrage by the European nations at his atrocities that eventually he was forced to surrender his territory. In fact, that's a common theme in the West. When imperialistic governments are caught abusing their protectorates, the citizens of the conquering nation often protest for fairer treatment of the 'natives'. When have the natives of conquering Eastern countries protested against the poor treatment of conquered non-Easterners (or even conquered Easterners! Witness Chinese conquest in Tibet and Vietnam.)? 3. There are numerous movies and computer games which aren't hesistant to broach the subject of white vs. white warfare, and also aren't ashamed to portray one particular race/country in a negative light. Just off the top of my head, there must be literally hundreds of movies and computer games regarding World War II, yet I've yet to hear any whining of racism for portraying the Germans in a negative light during that time period. Especially when the movie adopts a Jewish/French/Slavic viewpoint (witness Casablanca and Uprising). There are also bucketloads of games regarding white on white warfare (Rome: Total War and Pirates [where Spain is portrayed in a negative fashion], for example) Yet if anyone dares suggest that perhaps at one period in history, the brown people were savage pillaging invaders, everyone cries foul. Go figure. quote: Just because Europe was militarily advanced doesn't mean it was the good guys during the the establishment of African and American colonies. Military advancement =/= civilized, and I never asserted otherwise. By savage, I meant less progressive in a cultural sense. WWII Germany was much more savage then its neighbours, such as Poland and the French. [ Tuesday, March 11, 2008 02:40: Message edited by: Lepus timidus ] -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Monday, March 10 2008 16:18 Profile #25 quote: Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar: quote: Originally written by Drew: You know, the heroes probably wouldn't have seemed "less legitimate" if the hue of their skin were duskier. I disagree. When was the last time a major motion picture even had a non-white main protagonist? The answer: never. You don't think directors take this into account when doing casting? 1. Beverly Hills Cop = Eddie Murphy = Black. 2. You seem to forget that the bad guys in these movies are also white, with the exception of 300, Jaws and Transformers. Edit: And don't forget all those martial arts movies where Asians beat up on physically inferior blacks and whites. :D [ Monday, March 10, 2008 16:25: Message edited by: Lepus timidus ] -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Monday, March 10 2008 16:13 Profile #23 quote: Originally written by Thuryl: quote: Originally written by Higher Game: I mean, compare judging a man by his actions and personal conduct, or judging a man because his paternal great-grandfather forgot to sacrifice his goat's foreskin on the seventh month of the year of the camel. Come on... Well, I'm convinced. Clearly by using a bevy of racist stereotypes to cobble together an account of the evils of the brown man, you've shown us all the superiority of Western culture. Wait, actually, no you haven't. His stereotype is far more accurate than the stereotype that the inhabitants of Asia were a noble and peaceful peoples. -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Monday, March 10 2008 14:52 Profile #18 quote: Originally written by Higher Game: [QB] As for appearance, the Mediterranean cultures (including Semetic, Arab, Persian, Berber, etc) are all Caucasian, just with slightly darker skin coming from desert living. They're white. Caucasian =/= white. I agree with you on the rest, though. Isn't it interesting that two different people can reach the same conclusion independently? [ Monday, March 10, 2008 14:54: Message edited by: Lepus timidus ] -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Monday, March 10 2008 14:04 Profile #16 quote: Originally written by Emperor Tullegolar: [QB]It matters not. The movie implied that caucasians had the superior sense of morality. So it is consistent with real life, especially in this day and age. I mean, how long has Europe been fighting off the scummy, barbaric, brutish hordes of Asia in order to prevent their women from being raped, their crops from being burnt, and their children from being sold as slaves? Probably millenia. The Battle of Tours, Moorish conquest of Spain and Portugal, The Siege of Vienna, The Mongols, The Imperial Japs, the constant attacks on Israel, Muslim aggression during the Crusades, etc etc. What I'm saying isn't 'racism', it's simple historical fact. Westerners have often need to take up the sword and bow against hordes of savages who have little concern for human life, and certainly don't 'play fair.' Saladin was probably an exception to the rule (although his underlings were always baying to loot, rape and kill). quote: Same with 300. Superior technology or no, arabs always end up as the evil savages. I know that some Arabs served in Xerxes armies, but I thought the bulk of the troops were non-Arab. http://battle-of-thermopylae.eu/main_armies.html It's not like the narrator of 300 describes them as 'Arab', simply 'the hordes of Asia'. 'Hordes of Asia' is far more scary actually, because there were probably some Chinese in the mix. Brrr, chills the blood, doesn't it? But it doesn't matter how many of the scumbuckets there are in said horde, because as the narrator says at the end: "The enemy outnumber us a paltry three to one! Good odds for any Greek." Hell yeah! Makes me want to sign up for the war in Iraq and kick some Middle-Eastern ass! You can't deny it, it is nice to see a film which makes whites feel proud to be a Westerner, instead of denouncing our heritage like those Whiteness studies BS classes do. Western societies are the most progressive and advanced societies in the world, so let's celebrate this in movies such as 300 and 10,000 BC, instead of begging for forgiveness from people who would have sodomized us if we had ever lowered the spear and turned our collective backs. -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Monday, March 10 2008 02:17 Profile #5 quote: Originally written by Thuryl: quote: Originally written by Lepus timidus: That's why the movie was so exhilarating and revitalizing to my European soul. It stresses how we (the West) are awesome and progressive, whereas they (the East) are dastardly scumbuckets who can only win battles when they have a gross numerical advantage. And even then, they usually botch the job due to their innate pussiness and slack-jawed mentality. If you're a troll, you're not very good at it. So the only way you can deal with opinions that are radically divergent from your own is to brand the orator a troll? May I point out that I have been posting on this forum for quite a while, so I don't exactly fit the profile of the 'hit and run' troll. quote: Originally written by Azuma: I'm from the east..@_@ You have my sympathies. [ Monday, March 10, 2008 02:19: Message edited by: Lepus timidus ] -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
10,000 BC [Spoilers] in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Monday, March 10 2008 01:23 Profile #2 quote: The main part I didn't like was how the protagonist's girl was miss perfect blue-eyed white girl, and the bad guys were the evil, bearded, towel-headed Arabs who kill people for fun. It was worse than 300 as far as racial undertones go. That's why the movie was so exhilarating and revitalizing to my European soul. It stresses how we (the West) are awesome and progressive, whereas they (the East) are dastardly scumbuckets who can only win battles when they have a gross numerical advantage. And even then, they usually botch the job due to their innate pussiness and slack-jawed mentality. In otherwords, movies such as 300 and 10,000 BC are stunning in their historical accuracy, especially for something that was produced by Hollywood. [ Monday, March 10, 2008 01:29: Message edited by: Lepus timidus ] -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
What is better Shapers or Rebels? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Sunday, March 9 2008 22:45 Profile #140 Nioca: quote: Read as: I'm never going to admit that I might possibly be wrong, and thus will steer the debate away from those dangerous waters. Read as: I'm rather busy atm, so I wish to prioritise what we discuss. quote: Fine, but that's still no justification for genocide. The Rebels didn't even grant the chance for Shapers to surrender. In the GF3 Rebel Ending (and the Taker ending), your PC is sent as a diplomat to the Shapers to tell them of the invasion. Naturally, the Shaper Council in Poryphra make it quite clear that they will never surrender. quote: Whether or not they would have is moot, No, it's not moot. Shapers have been conditioned not to 'bow' to their Creations, hence there was no point of offering the Shapers a chance to surrender PRIOR to the invasion, because: 1. It would have been laughed at (witness GF2 Taker/Awakened ending). 2. The Rebels would have lost the element of surprise, which apart from the Geneforge, was the only advantage they have over the Shapers. 3. The diplomats would almost certainly have been killed (witness rebel endings to GF 1, GF 2, GF 3) But I do agree that once the invasion has been launched and the Rebels have some leverage, Shapers should be offered a chance to surrender and recant their anti-Creation ideology. And they were. None of them took it. quote: all the more so because the global mindset of the sect does not represent the individual; I'm going to disagree with you, here. An individual wouldn't be a member of the Shaper sect unless they believed in the inferiority of their Creations, and their right to snuff out independent Creation life. In fact, having such an attitude is a prequisite for being allowed to progress in their sect. You might as well argue that being a fullly member of the KKK does not necessarily mean that you are racist (I thought I'd give you a break from the Nazi analogies :D ). quote: the fact that they killed them simply because they're Shapers is genocide. No, it's called a pre-emptive strike. If the KKK declare a race war, the racial minorities will probably be targeting anyone wearing a white hood and chanting white supremacy slogans. I'd hardly call that genocide. In fact, I'd call it common sense. The problem is that individuals such as yourself and Diki think that the Shapers can be reasoned with by independent creations, when it's shown time and time again that Shapers will do nothing of the sort (unless it's a turncoat rebel). Just off the top of my head: 1. In the GF 1 loyalist ending, the Awakened are exterminated by the Shapers. 2. In the GF 2 loyalist ending, Medab is raised to the ground and the inhabitants enslaved. The Drakons in Zhass-Uss are destroyed. 3. In the GF 2 Awakened ending, the Awakened adopt your wet dream resistance, where they fight purely in self defense against waves of Shapers. The Shapers never let up, nor are they willing to acknowledge the existence of independent serviles and Drakons. 4. In the GF 3 Rebel ending, the Shapers make it clear that they will never surrender to their Creations. 5. In GF 4, Alwan makes it quite clear that he wishes to exterminate all Drayk life. This is despite the fact that Alwan is possibly one of the most progressive Shapers in the game. How on earth could a Drayk/Drakon negotiate with such a man? But by all means Nioca, tell me how independent serviles and Drayks can negotiate with the Shapers for autonomy, when Shaper ideology makes it quite clear that independent serviles and Drayks shouldn't exist in the first place? Such pipe dream thinking is the equivalent of thinking that the blacks could have negotiated with the KKK for freedom from discrimination, apartheid and racial hate back in the 1950's. [ Sunday, March 09, 2008 22:48: Message edited by: Lepus timidus ] -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
Where do I find the Xian Skull? in The Avernum Trilogy
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Sunday, March 9 2008 19:58 Profile #19 Xian Coins are probably the only useful Xian Item in Avernum 3. -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
Geneforge 3 Trainer. in Geneforge Series
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Sunday, March 9 2008 19:52 Profile #1 The links to the GF3 editor are at the top of this forum... [ Sunday, March 09, 2008 19:53: Message edited by: Lepus timidus ] -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
The Ultimate Faction Survey Poll in Geneforge Series
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Sunday, March 9 2008 18:41 Profile #9 quote: Originally written by Xel'Raga: (Or the fact that LT is a drakon) >:/ What the!? I don't 'like' Drakons any more than I 'like' humans. Trajkov is perhaps my favourite character in the series, and anyone with a tiny bit of sense would support the Taker GF1 ending, because it means: - A quick war against the Shapers (although the Sholai make use of spawners. le gasp Genocide! gasp). - Creation emancipation (Trajkov keeps his word to the serviles). - The throwing off of stifling Shaper rule, which most likely results in greater freedoms regarding Shaping and magic usage. - No Drakons, no Unbound, no Lilita, no Hoge, no Barzhal. - A happy and ethical ending for the PC. [ Sunday, March 09, 2008 18:42: Message edited by: Lepus timidus ] -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
What is better Shapers or Rebels? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Sunday, March 9 2008 18:24 Profile #137 quote: Originally written by Nioca: [quote=Lepus timidus] [qb]The simple fact of the matter is that the humans target the Gorg for extermination because the Gorg first wished to exterminate the humans. Is this genocide? No, the humans target the Gorg because they're an immediate threat. [/quote]So you're conceding the point that simply because one appears to be targeting a race, does not mean that one is committing genocide. Excellent! quote: Additionally, what's attacking is their main attack force. Nonsense. The troops on the starships aren't attacking... the ones on the ground are! So apparently, you're willing to tolerate those motherships full of troops hostile to human existence in the Earth's stratosphere. And it was genocide for the humans to force their way onto the ships and slaughter them. quote: Tell me, are the outsider humans in Geneforge either an attack force or an immediate threat? Let's stick with the Shapers, atm. Are the Shapers an immediate threat? No, not all are, any more than the Gorg on those starships are 'immediate threats', nor the anti-human Gorg soldiers in training back on their homeworld. Have the Shapers declared a war of extermination against all independent Creations, much as the Gorg have against the humans? Yes, they have. Simply because not every Shaper is at Quess-Uss's doorstep with a Discipline Wand in hand does not change the simple fact that they are sworn enemies of the Rebellion. If a people declare that their aim is to exterminate you (and are more than willing to carry it out, see the genocide of the Drayks, the extermination of the Awakened in GF 1 and GF 2), you are more than justified in engaging in a 'pre-emptive' strike out of self-defense. Hit them before they hit you, parry dodge and spin, wot wot. quote: No. And that's where the analogy falls short. The humans in the analogy are effectively fighting against an enemy Wait! Didn't you previously assert that they were only fighting against an immediate threat? Immediate threat is NOT synonymous with enemy. quote: , while the rebels are simply slaughtering everything that crosses their path No, the Rebels are killing their enemies. Or, if you don't consider the Outsiders their enemies: The Rebels are killing their enemies, while inflicting a lot of collateral damage. Reminds ya of the good ole United States of America, hey? quote: Maybe if they had actually focussed the fighting on the shapers, they would never have had to worry about releasing the unbound. They did, but: 1. You (and numerous posters) are still willing to label even that genocide. Apparently your enemy needs to have a Discipline Wand pointed against your temple before you're morally justified in striking back. 2. They lost, so now they need to resort to more desperate measures. quote: quote: And just to expand the analogy further, the humans learn that there are human food slaves on the Gorg homeworld, and that the Gorg are planning to attack again, because they will never allow independent humans to exist. Do you: A: Firebomb the crap out of them. or... B: Sit on your hands, because a pre-emptive strike might be considered 'genocide' by the U.N? :rolleyes: How 'bout C: Launch an attack that cripples their army and/or economy and/or government, without blowing their entire population into tiny little bits. Ahh, I see. So you choose A: Firebomb the crap out of them. Because the best way to cripple the economy is with a good ole fashioned firebombing (or nuking). quote: It's disturbing to note how your answers for everything tend to lean toward a mantra of 'blow everything up'. Nonsense. I'd rather try the more conservative methods of dispute resolution first (compromise, pinpoint military strikes, etc.), but if they don't work, then it's time for the gloves to come off. -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
Geology Lecture in General
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Saturday, March 8 2008 15:39 Profile #93 -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
Speedrunning Geneforge in Geneforge Series
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Saturday, March 8 2008 14:37 Profile #2 I think that leaving the island is sort of a cop out. Either killing Sholai, or helping Trajkov by killing Goetssche and getting the gloves, would make an excellent speedrun. -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00
The Ultimate Faction Survey Poll in Geneforge Series
Lepus timidus BANNED Member # 10430	written Saturday, March 8 2008 14:27 Profile #5 Takers all the way, baby! When you think about it, the best ending is the Taker ending from GF1, because it manages to avoid all of the complications that occur in GF2-GF4. -------------------- "I am Barzhal, and I am here to ask you a question: Is a man not entitled to the products of his own essence? No, says the servile in Medab. It belongs to the oppressed. No, says the Shaper in Terrestia. It belongs to the Shaper Council. No, says the Trakovite in hiding. It belongs to no-one. I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose… Ascension." Posts: 136 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 12 2007 07:00

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