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Canned
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written Tuesday, December 19 2006 22:45
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okay, so cans are made to increase the potential of any shaper moving a long or any other being. BUT DOSEN'T IT WOUNDS THE MIND peapole once having used the geneforge don't get crazy? and do canisters make you mad ? my qestion is do canisters destroy your mind? -------------------- You can jump off a bridge, fire a gun in your mouth, drink poison,or going in to the tiger's pit but you will still end up dead it's a mater of time and how . Posts: 312 | Registered: Sunday, November 26 2006 08:00 |
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Agent
Member # 1934
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written Tuesday, December 19 2006 23:11
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Yeah, the Canisters mess with your head. It looks like you've had a few too many yourself. -------------------- You acquire an item: Radio Free Foil Posts: 1169 | Registered: Monday, September 23 2002 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, December 20 2006 01:25
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This is a common misconception. Canisters and the geneforge don't "wound your mind." They slowly perfect it, giving you clarity as it grants you the ability to see the world for what it really is. As your physical strength and powers grow, so must your mind in order to keep up with these powers. It gives you ambition, and a winning mindset. What good are the powers they give you if you do not have the will to use them? After all, why should you ever be talked down to by beings lesser than yourself? People who are foolish enough to do so deserve death, and your new brain assures they get what they deserve. Only with this new outlook on the world can you find your place in it, and that place is on the top, ruling over others, not listening to their endless babble. [ Wednesday, December 20, 2006 01:26: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ] -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, December 20 2006 03:10
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Too many canisters used results in a loss of control. Your brain gets rewired so you react without being able to control yourself. Dealing with others that question you in any way usually makes you mad and kill them. ET - you would kill your underlings for slow reactions to your orders or even asking you for clarification. You no longer have any ability to keep your temper in check to find out that you forgot to tell them which rebellious village to wipe out. After seeing your reaction, the minions will split into those that will overdo your orders just to be sure they got at least what you want done and those plotting to eliminate you before you kill them. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Wednesday, December 20 2006 13:44
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Although in Geneforge 4, Litalia was apparently able to train herself to become sane and normal again. Nalyd wonders how many therapists died doing that. Emperor Tullegolar - Nalyd usually stands with your ideals, but not here. Nalyd views anything that can become addictive, or that changes the mind in some way as inherently dangerous. How easy would it be for someone to slip a little poisonous essence into those canisters of yours, eh? The canisters also inspire overconfidence, which will soon lead any leader to death. The eliminate the possibilty of diplomacy in many cases, and stop you from garnering anything but hatred or fear from the unaltered around you. -------------------- May the fires of Undeath burn in your soul, and consume it. Posts: 1636 | Registered: Wednesday, January 5 2005 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Wednesday, December 20 2006 14:28
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I was talking to Tuldaric recently (as you do) and the thought went through my mind, "he reminds me of Emperor Tullegolar". There's something not right, there. I need to get out more... quote: quote: -------------------- "I can't read this thread with that image. But then, that's not a complaint." -Scorpius Geneforge 4 stuff. Also, everything I know about Avernum | Avernum 2 | Avernum 3 | Avernum 4 Posts: 1104 | Registered: Monday, March 10 2003 08:00 |
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Councilor
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written Wednesday, December 20 2006 15:39
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Originally by Micawber: quote:Well, you did mislabel the quotes. Oh, you mean with Emperor Tullegolar? Probably, but a few unsellable trowels like him are unavoidable. Dikiyoba. Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, December 20 2006 15:50
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quote:Awwww. :P Seriously, though, have you had any canisters today? Because that signature seems a little backwards. quote:Well, if she trained herself, the therapist casualty numbers are probably low. Innocent lackeys... not so low. -------------------- Scenarios need reviews! Please rate these scenarios at the CSR after playing them! Amnesia • Dilecia • The Empire's New Grove • Express Delivery Twilight Valley • Witch Hunt • Where the Rivers Meet Posts: 2686 | Registered: Friday, September 8 2006 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, December 20 2006 16:13
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quote:Excellent, I approve. The first group pleases me greatly, they show initiative, and I like that! The second group is good as well, as they will keep me on my toes at all times. It is important for such leaders to be kept constantly alert, it makes me stronger. Should they ever actually succeed (doubtful) then I simply got what I deserves for letting my guard down. Nalyd: Everyone is overconfident in the Geneforge world. I don't see how any other group would have an advantage over me. Tuladric: Don't compare me with that Awakened scum! Tuladric enjoyed his fair share of canisters, so it is no wonder he saw the same purity of thought that I do. But we have totally different political views: I see the danger in letting creations run rampant, and he did not. That's why he is dead now. The failure. quote:It makes perfect sense, considering who Nalyd is. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Wednesday, December 20 2006 16:16
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quote:If you have played any of the Geneforge games and actually read the little conversation windows, you would realize that, yes, canisters drive you way down Insane Alley. And your spelling is killing me. I can barely understand what you are trying to say. -------------------- You Shall Die Laughing: http://www.worfthecat.ermarian.net/converted The Roost: www.roost01.proboards104.com. Birds of a feather flock together. Posts: 794 | Registered: Thursday, July 27 2006 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Wednesday, December 20 2006 16:21
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I really like canisters. I'm pro canisters, regardless of whatever opinion I need to make. I usually play powergamer type with all canisters, all alterations, and if possible, use the Geneforge. [ Wednesday, December 20, 2006 16:22: Message edited by: Good Canisters ] Posts: 107 | Registered: Monday, December 4 2006 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Wednesday, December 20 2006 23:35
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quote:I knew what I was writing. Anyone ever read Private Eye? -------------------- "I can't read this thread with that image. But then, that's not a complaint." -Scorpius Geneforge 4 stuff. Also, everything I know about Avernum | Avernum 2 | Avernum 3 | Avernum 4 Posts: 1104 | Registered: Monday, March 10 2003 08:00 |
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Canned
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written Thursday, December 21 2006 08:32
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okay but man has to much power and not enough clarity . And i think that the shapers even if they knew how to improve the mind they would only see all that they achieved was nothing and will continue to destroy to kill and to conquer and they will continue as they always did. Man kind is deluded by it's one self by his own will and by his own control. That is probably why we are here today thinking about the future looking at the past and forgetting the present. [ Thursday, December 21, 2006 08:35: Message edited by: opon mars ] -------------------- You can jump off a bridge, fire a gun in your mouth, drink poison,or going in to the tiger's pit but you will still end up dead it's a mater of time and how . Posts: 312 | Registered: Sunday, November 26 2006 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Thursday, December 21 2006 11:50
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GC, I, by contrast, am a Canister Prohibitionist and think the good old Temperance ballads - http://www.pdmusic.org/winner/sw74tsp.txt - should be rewritten in a canister context. Don't use canisters, dear brother Let thy footsteps follow mine To the schoolbooks and the trainers - Don't adopt the glowing shine. Purchase training at the fortress, Better far is that for thee. Slay creations by the thousand - Get thy skills with clean XP. CHORUS Stay thy hand from them, dear brother, Don't bulk up and tempt the fates Try some target practice, swimming, Self-help books and lifting weights. O, use not those foul canisters Though thy spells will boom and bang; Thoul't slay thy friends (and sisters!) And will never feel a pang. Canisters instill a factor Most unhealthful to thy pride. Honest study builds character -- Leads to less sororicide. [ Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:05: Message edited by: Alberich ] Posts: 63 | Registered: Tuesday, July 4 2006 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Thursday, December 21 2006 12:49
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I believe that canisters should be used, but only in moderation. -------------------- Scenarios need reviews! Please rate these scenarios at the CSR after playing them! Amnesia • Dilecia • The Empire's New Grove • Express Delivery Twilight Valley • Witch Hunt • Where the Rivers Meet Posts: 2686 | Registered: Friday, September 8 2006 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Thursday, December 21 2006 15:21
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quote:That is an excellent ballad. I would not use canisters, provided that: 1. I'm a Loyalist Extremist. 2. There are a lot of good, cheap trainers (e.g. Gretchen and Khyrhk.) 3. I have (Loyalist) access to powerful spells and creations, e.g. ability to shape drayks, cryodrayks, ur-glaahks, and spells such as essence orbs and strong daze. 4. It would be a bonus to be allowed to have alterations or otherwise be shaped. 5. An added bonus if I could use the Geneforge without losing my humanity and going insane. 6. It would also be a bonus to have a good ending . :) Posts: 107 | Registered: Monday, December 4 2006 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Thursday, December 21 2006 19:55
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If become power hungry you need to go all out. When you make everyone your enemy then it is porably a good idea to get all the cansiters and modifcations you can get your hands on. If you stick with one group then its proably I good idea to stick with their ideals. The problem with the mindset canisters and the genoforge give you is that you can't trust anyone and makes life real complicated. -------------------- A rock has weight whether you admit it or not Posts: 479 | Registered: Wednesday, July 12 2006 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Friday, December 22 2006 04:52
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LS, that's a bit of a positive feedback loop, though, isn't it? If you're going to make everyone your enemy, use canisters - if you use canisters, you make everyone your enemy... GC, thanks for the compliment, but, O, sinner, what conditions you place on virtue! There would be no moral problem to wrestle with if you could get just as much just as easily without sinking into the foul embrace of Demon Canister. Every ending so far has given me at least a little hat tip for staying canister-free (even if it's just telling me that I can hold up my hand and see that I stayed fully human). I'm no shaper extremist, but I always end up with them because, hell, no, I won't glow! [ Friday, December 22, 2006 04:56: Message edited by: Alberich ] Posts: 63 | Registered: Tuesday, July 4 2006 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, December 22 2006 13:47
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In G1, I'm a major canister junky; for the most part, you have to be in order to survive. In G2 & G3, I only do as much as will go unnoticed by other Shapers (which, I admit, isn't much). -------------------- Either I'm crazy, or everybody else is nuts. And I know I'm not crazy because the little man who lives on my shoulder told me so. If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you. Posts: 558 | Registered: Friday, September 15 2006 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Friday, December 22 2006 14:19
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In game, Nalyd uses canisters depending on what side he's on. Rebel - Sometimes, Shaper - Never. In the not-so-immortal words of Spock, Live long and prosper. In the only-slightly-less-immortal words of Nalyd, Die soon and starve. -------------------- May the fires of Undeath burn in your soul, and consume it. Posts: 1636 | Registered: Wednesday, January 5 2005 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, December 22 2006 15:42
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quote:Why hinder yourself with the frailties of a human form? It is your birthright to be able to shape yourself! It is the next step in evolution. Those that die along the way die so that the strong may live, they die so that the species as a whole can grow and be stronger. To reject the canisters is to doom the whole world to mediocrity and endless sqabbles over the petty things like politics. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Friday, December 22 2006 16:07
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quote:The drakons are really big on the whole better-living-through-chemistry deal, and they don't exactly seem to have moved past petty politics. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Friday, December 22 2006 18:31
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The ability to shape oneself isto unnatrally deviate or speed up the process of evolution beyond what the mind can cope with. To Shape yourself improves body and power, but not the mind. The result is an insane monstrosity with enormous power. If the entire world were made upof such things, then everything would become blackened and charred, a volcanic and twisted remnant of what everything was. The new beings will have the power to change it back to green and health, but their minds will have decayed too far to be able to recognize the need to. -------------------- May the fires of Undeath burn in your soul, and consume it. Posts: 1636 | Registered: Wednesday, January 5 2005 08:00 |
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Canned
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written Friday, December 22 2006 22:29
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In that casei will use more canisters and invade earth !!! http://www.waroftheworldsonline.com/jwmartianconcept.jpg i huger for more canisters. -------------------- You can jump off a bridge, fire a gun in your mouth, drink poison,or going in to the tiger's pit but you will still end up dead it's a mater of time and how . Posts: 312 | Registered: Sunday, November 26 2006 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Saturday, December 23 2006 10:14
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Get the best of both sides! Be a Loyalist who uses all canisters, gets all alterations and shapes them self. Then, after 5-6 canisters, use the the Shift-D and put in this: sdf 100 4 0. That is the sdf that says you used 0 canisters. Make sure you also use that before you leave the islands via boat (endgame). If you can't stand to cheat at all, then don't use this sdf. Its not really a cheat, or have I ever tested it, but it might work. Posts: 107 | Registered: Monday, December 4 2006 08:00 |
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