A Few More Advance Words On Geneforge 4

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Raven v. Writing Desk
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The games have definitely never said essence was injected into shapers. Isn't the basic idea that all living things have essence in them, and that shapers learn to harness their own essence in a specialized way, presumably growing better at it as they gain in skill?

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Originally written by Djuran Orb v. Arancaytog:

The games have definitely never said essence was injected into shapers. Isn't the basic idea that all living things have essence in them, and that shapers learn to harness their own essence in a specialized way, presumably growing better at it as they gain in skill?
I always imagined Essence as some kind of inner power which everything has, sort of liek the mitochlorians (or however they're spelt) in Star Wars. Every living thing has it, but only a few individuals (namely the Jedi) are lucky enough to be born with it in abundance.

I'm tempted to email JV and ask, but I don't really want my idea to be smashed by him.

Perhaps this is what happens with the Shapers? After all, not everyone is cut out to be a Shaper.

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Canisters are charged essence that is injected, or absorbed, in to the body.

Every being has some, but canister crazed shapers glow in the dark and become more essence than human tissue.

Using the Geneforge also involved large unhealthy amounts of essence going in to the body. The gloves slowed it down so the body might have a chance to absorb it.

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Raven v. Writing Desk
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But canisters don't actually give you access to more essence. They basically rewrite part of your biology. Ditto with the geneforge. They use essence to achieve these effects, but the effects are not the same thing as the essence; the effects are not a direct use of that essence, they are the something that can be done as a result of what the essence does.

Regardless, shaping ability obviously doesn't depend on canister or geneforge use.

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On playing as a servile:

I think it would fun if you could be one of those serviles that gains magic by focusing until you drive yourself insane.

On balance of the classes:

I, personally, think they're balanced just fine. As some one said, it's a matter of how skilled and/or knowledgeable a player you are. Agents just seem to be the class most people are finding the secrets and strategies on the easiest.

For example, as a Shaper in GF2, put a little in leadership, a little in magic shaping and from this point on ALL SP into Intelligence, enter combat mode, run through the areas challenging no one, join the awakened, train in Vlish, if you know where to look grab a Vlish canister, make a vlish, go back to easy areas and nothing will be able to stand in it's way even on Torment, gain a couple lvls and now you have enough essence to make a Terror Vlish which will frighten away the mid level enemies it can't kill, continue to grab a few easy lvls till you have 125 essence, learn to make a Gazer and grab a Gazer canister, lvl till you have 250 essence, make an eyebeast.

Now every time you enter combat mode BAM! everything in sight is dead, or stunned long enough for to take your second turn and BAM! now it's dead. The only things you can't take on are the really higher lvl swarms of enemies, and you can take on even them if know the right strategies. By lvl 4 you can have a terror vlish, by 10 a Gazer, and by 16 an eyebeast. All of them less if you know where to sneak into to grab intelligence canisters and intelligence/shaping enhancing items.

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Side note: Shades/Ghosts must have essense too, since some can spray acid, right?

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quote:
Originally written by The Ripper:

Side note: Shades/Ghosts must have essense too, since some can spray acid, right?
But wouldn't that be just plain old magic, as they're magical constructs. It would just use the essnge from the mage/thing that turned them into ghosts/shades. I'd assume that would weaken the spell holding them together (which is why they stop every now and then).

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Hint to Jeff: CANISTERS!!!!!!!!!! LOTS AND LOTS OF CANISTERS!!! please?
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Actually it would be interesting if through the game you essential follow the path of some canister using junky. Then towards the end game you could confront the altered and now deranged shaper. It would be a perspective on what the players character must seem like by the end of G1-G3.

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Or, in an even more bizzare twist, the player character from Gf3 could be the final boss of Gf4. Another boss could be a Geneforge-using player character from Gf1, who went off to make his own kingdom somewhere, but could get involved in larger politics again.

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Originally written by Zeviz:

Or, in an even more bizzare twist, the player character from Gf3 could be the final boss of Gf4. Another boss could be a Geneforge-using player character from Gf1, who went off to make his own kingdom somewhere, but could get involved in larger politics again.
I had imagined the PC's of previous games being NPC's of subsequent games. I was disappointed twice.

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Double Post.

[ Friday, May 12, 2006 19:47: Message edited by: Nick Ringer ]

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"I had imagined the PC's of previous games being NPC's of subsequent games. I was disappointed twice."

This will never happen. It just feels weird to me. And your characters are your characters ... I don't want to take control of them, beyond referring vaguely to what they did in the past.

- Jeff Vogel

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Well I didn't mean "disappointed" in the sense that I didn't like the games. Just that, what I predicted was false.

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What ending of G3 will it follow? Will there be Ur-Drakons roaming the land? Maybe you start of by meeting one. Will they be the 5th tier creation? Or will it follow the shaper ending? Will making and destroying Geneforges be the priority? Will it take place in the same time but on the mainland?

I am undecided. What do YOU think?
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I think I'm drunk.

I don't like being able to just create Ur-Drakons when it takes years of research to create a pool to transform just one existing powerful Drakon. In fact I think Drakons should be removed altogether. [EDIT] I mean, removed from the PC being able to SHAPE THEM. they're their own race.

[ Monday, May 08, 2006 19:23: Message edited by: Nick Ringer ]

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I'd prefer to see new creations rather than being able to make Ur-Drakons. For the cost of essence it takes to make Drakons they are really not strong enough. My Drayks and Cryodrayks were nearly as strong after having gained a few levels from combat xp.

Having two or three Drayks/Cryodrayks will get you further than having one Drakon.
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Nuke and Pave
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The main purpose of creatures of the Ur-Drakon level is just to look cool. By the time you collect enough canisters to make them, you are so powerful that you don't really need them.

This is the main reason I hope new creatures in Gf4 will be of low to medium level, instead of super-ultra-powerful demi-gods. The power range is well balanced already and more creatures at the top of the chart will forse weaker old creatures to become obsolete even sooner, making the strategy of keeping a few creatures alive for a long time less viable.

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Ok, ok. I get it. You don't want to make an Ur-Drakon. But What ending wll it follow? Will it take place right after, a while after, or at the same time as G3? Will there be rebellions within each faction? Wll there be high ranking traitor spies? And finally.... will the Geneforge be already made?
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I was pretty sure we established it's soon after GF3 ... supposed to be the war between rebels and Shapers. The Geneforge itself won't play a big role from what I've heard.

Why doesn't the PC make a Geneforge? A good prequel would have us play as Danette.

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The problems of playing as Danette are:
1. You would be forced to play as a Shaper.
2. You would have to be a Loyalist.
3. Nothing to fight. The island isn't overrun by rogues.
4. If you played GF1, you probably have a pretty good idea of what happened, therefore, no new suprises.
5. You would start out very powerful.
6. There's the part about you dying...
7. Can't choose your own name.
8. No Rothgroths, Gazers, and other, newer creations.
9. You would start out as the Big Cheese. The boss, for those of you unfamiliar with English.
10. No "canister finding" element. They would all just be in a big lab.
11. Drayks are legal creations.
12. You would have to play as a woman.
13. The missions would probably end up as, fetch x of this, fetch y of that.
14. Lots of people know Sucia Island like the back of their hand.

[ Friday, May 12, 2006 22:45: Message edited by: Mr.Bookworm ]

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quote:
Originally written by Mr.Bookworm:

12. You would have to play as a woman.
Considering the current Agent and Guardian graphics I don’t see how this would be any different.
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His Mighty Tentacle
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I'd like to see an option to destroy canisters instead of using them.

Seems, I don't know, wrong somehow that a Loyalist Shaper would just move along and leave something that dangerous behind.

I mean, that's just stupid.

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Okay, I retract that. Instead, play Trajkov in the events leading up to the PC's arrival on Sucia.

Geneforge: the Forging of the Sholai

Yeah. You could destroy Lankan's canister... I think you should be able to pick up other canisters and carry them with you. Even if they weigh ten pounds or something, it's worth selling them to "crazed canister junkies."

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Do the shapers have the ability to shape plants? I mean beyond the turrets.

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