Interested in spiderweb games, where to start?

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Hello, do I have to start from Avernum 1 then work my way to 5 for the full story? Is this the same case as their other games?

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You don't have to, as each game has a rather independent plot. I myself have never played the fourth installment in the series, and playing Avernum 5 without it works just fine. What's nice about starting from the beginning, though, is previous games are referred to in later ones, but again, won't confuse the plot at all.

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Strangely enough, I would recommend that you start with Geneforge. With the culmination of the 5 part series due by the end of the year, you are positioned perfectly to play all five games in order without too long of a pause. Then, in October you can pick up the discounted Avernum games.

Check out the various games forums below for in depth assessments of the various games, as well as the requisite hints and strategies. I found Geneforge better in terms of strategy of interpersonal choices, and Avernum better in terms of character build strategy. Mostly that is due to Jeff's maturation, but it is still a valid part of the gaming experience.

Good luck, I got hooked in '97.

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The Geneforge games have more complicated plots and a more monolithic overarching story, so I'd say playing them all to get the continuity right is more important. That said, I jumped in at G4 and had no trouble enjoying the game a lot.

The Avernums are all worth playing, but they also all give you adequate summaries of prior games in the series somewhere near the beginning . You'll miss references and recurring characters, but the games are all fine as standalones.

—Alorael, who recommends playing through the demo of A1 at least. The background of Avernum and the Empire there isn't said as well any other way, and it's rather important.
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The advantage of playing the games in order is that you won't become frustrated with the earlier and less advanced game engines. Going from Geneforge 3 or 4 to Geneforge 1 gets you mad when spells llike daze are less effective and the number of action points to switch a weapon make combat less effective.

The games are stand alone so you can start anywhere with some past information given to you during the game. Most new players start with recent games and go back later to get the background information.
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As others have basically said, you don't have to, but it might be most enjoyable to.

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Hey guys, thanks for the response. I guess I'm going to start at the beginning for Geneforge then work my way up in the series. I've been looking for a really good story based rpg, and this looks to be the answer...

Thanks!
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The Geneforge series has a strong continuity, with ongoing story and gameplay throughout, so I agree with suggestion to start from the beginning.

The games of Avernum series, on the other hand, are more loosely connected and have different gameplay focus from each other. Avernum 1 is about unstructured exploration of untamed new world. You can go anywhere and do anything you want. Avernum 2 has a stronger storyline and more structured gameplay until letting you roam freely in the second part of the game, but the story is strong enough to push you towards completing main quests even then. Avernum 3 has perhaps the biggest world of all Spidweb games, but you explore it in stages, while solving a mystery. Avernum 4 is all about shiny new engine and is the best one to skip if you care about good story. Avernum 5 is supposedly the best, but I haven't played it yet.

So in summary, with Avernum series you can start with whichever game sounds most appealing to you, and work your way down priority list. (Just be aware that the mystery of A3 will be ruined if you start with later games first, or read too much of Avernum forums.)

Nethergate is also worth considering, especially for the unusual feature of letting you play through the same storyline from different sides.

PS And I forgot to mention BoE/BoA. Those are editors that allow people to create their own scenarios, some of which are at least as good as official Spidweb games. You can find scenario ratings here: http://forum.nethergate.net/index.php?showtopic=972 (for BoE) and http://forum.nethergate.net/index.php?showtopic=652 (for BoA)

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You have to start with Exile: Escape From the Pit

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What are the differences between Avernum and Geneforge in terms of gameplay? Wikipedia say little about Geneforge 4 =(

I'm almost done Avernum 5 and I'm quite impressed so far. The story isn't Shakespeare but the boss fights are stellar. They are more of a puzzle problem than fighting a monster with bigger stats than you. I'm wondering if the rest of Spiderweb games are like this.

In terms of going back to the older series, I'm vehemently against recommending it. The user interfaces are terrible, and IMHO, not worth the little you gain from the story line.
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Geneforge has real-time movement except in combat. You control a single character and your creations (who can be permanent or temporary), sometimes augmented by allies who are also sometimes rather temporary. The games are much more faction-based rather than linear like Avernum. And speaking of Avernum, it's all turn-based and you generally start with the party you end with. There are NPCs who will join you, but if they do they're treated just like any other party member.

—Alorael, who thinks the easiest way to understand gameplay differences is to download the demos and try them. The differences become very apparent very quickly.
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Originally written by Cake:

What are the differences between Avernum and Geneforge in terms of gameplay? Wikipedia say little about Geneforge 4 =(

I'm almost done Avernum 5 and I'm quite impressed so far. The story isn't Shakespeare but the boss fights are stellar. They are more of a puzzle problem than fighting a monster with bigger stats than you. I'm wondering if the rest of Spiderweb games are like this.

In terms of going back to the older series, I'm vehemently against recommending it. The user interfaces are terrible, and IMHO, not worth the little you gain from the story line.

I'm approaching this from the angle of someone who's played through (but not necessarily is good at!) other CRPGs...

I found Geneforge (from what I've played of it so far) reminiscent of Neverwinter Nights or Diablo - you don't exactly fight with a party so much as you fight with you and your creations; Avernum (from what I've played of Avernum 4 and 5) reminds me a lot of Icewind Dale and Dungeon Siege, where the dynamic is heavily dependent on your different character's skills.

It makes me wonder what it would be like if the next Spiderweb game incorporated the intra-party relationship aspect of Baldur's Gate II - I have to admit though, I really didn't like my CRPG degenerating into a soap-opera style love triangle between my druid, my mage, and I. :rolleyes:
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In re: Rampancy's unfortunate love-triangle... maybe this is something that's missing from the Geneforge series. Seriously: I remember in G3 that every time Greta stopped me on the road and said: "Shaper, can we talk for a moment?", well, I could feel my heart thumping. I was hoping she wanted to confess that she had... well... certain feelings for me. But no! Every time, it was about the Serviles. Always about the Serviles!

...We could've done great things together, she and I... .
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I would recommend playing the games in order....or even starting with Nethergate and Geneforge.

In terms of Exile, I used to play Exile 3 a lot (it's how I discovered spiderweb games) and I was very recently trying Exile 1 and 2 and I couldn't do it!

It was weird....the interface was really bugging me, it just seemed to claustrophobic, closed in. I can play Exile 3 still, but maybe that's because I used to play it.

Maybe after you play the newer games, you can't go back to the older games.

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Originally written by Clavicle:

In re: Rampancy's unfortunate love-triangle... maybe this is something that's missing from the Geneforge series. Seriously: I remember in G3 that every time Greta stopped me on the road and said: "Shaper, can we talk for a moment?", well, I could feel my heart thumping. I was hoping she wanted to confess that she had... well... certain feelings for me. But no! Every time, it was about the Serviles. Always about the Serviles!

...We could've done great things together, she and I... .

She's exactly the same as all other Agents, though, right down to the same taste in fashion!

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I say congratulations, since Spiderweb Software games are very fun. Even A4, though bad to many people here, has its good parts.

Oh, and when you are finished with Geneforge and Avernum 1-3, I suggest Blades of Avernum. Blades of Avernum is never ending, since people can make scenarios.

There are still a few people making BoA scenarios, and I am a beginner so that makes another one. Also, you could try doing it too.

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Originally written by Nikki.:

She's exactly the same as all other Agents, though, right down to the same taste in fashion!
It's a uniform. And you know what they say about women in uniform...

—Alorael, who very much hopes you do, because he actually has no idea what they say. It's been bothering him for some time now.
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It's a uniform. And you know what they say about women in uniform...

—Alorael, who very much hopes you do, because he actually has no idea what they say. It's been bothering him for some time now.

No. I googled it and everything, but all i could find was this:

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Men who find a woman in uniform very attractive, because they are attracted to that idea of a strong woman, who might be physically fit, well trained, and have an aura of command.
I don't see how a scruffy leather jerkin and travelling boots convey those things, but who am I to argue with the internet? :P

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Originally by The Internet:

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Men who find a woman in uniform very attractive, because they are attracted to that idea of a strong woman, who might be physically fit, well trained, and have an aura of command.
That really sounds more like Miranda than Greta. And Miranda comes with a wicked sense of humor too. :P

Dikiyoba.

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Originally written by Dikiyoba:

And Miranda comes with a wicked sense of humor too. :P
She's basically a sociopath, you know. I mean, I like that about her, but I'm pretty messed up.

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Originally written by Revelation IVI:

It's a uniform. And you know what they say about women in uniform...

—Alorael, who very much hopes you do, because he actually has no idea what they say. It's been bothering him for some time now.

Actually, wasn't there something that Jack Nicholson said in A Few Good Men about women in uniform? Gosh… if only I could remember what it was…

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Oooh, excellent. That gives me another reason to re-watch A Few Good Men. I love that movie.

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