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How do I kill the Shade? in Avernum 4
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Friday, March 17 2006 14:25 Profile #8
I reiterate:

quote:
Originally written by *i:

You don't until you are told to.


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Avernum V in Avernum 4
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Friday, March 17 2006 09:04 Profile #94
quote:
Originally written by lordofdc:

Maybe it should be made that a giant earth quike happend in the eastern part of avernum and reveald a giant path to a new series of caves thats even bigger than avenum and that thetres a new breed of slith.....more powerfull than the ones in avernum and that they have encredible magic and they are more bigger and are a giant portal has bean created and grah-hoth and other mightier demons that lived long before the empire discoverd avernum in avernum and were banished but returns through this portal.And a powerfull magician died but upon his death something happend......all five dragons have returnd.....completely heald and that includes motrax thats slightly yonger.and it would work great with the avernum triology engine.
Bigger! More Powerful! Bring on EVERYTHING at ONCE!!

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In all seriousness, this is a typical plot of the inexperienced. It rests upon the assumption that more is always better. When I was younger, naive, and far less cynical, I had similar thoughts and beliefs.

Give the monster another 500 HP I thought, they'll love it...but then I realized the dearth of creativity that it was. It's never about how much or how big, but on how detailed, how personal, how elegant. Sure, more can help when needed, but more for the sake of more is almost always less.

Finally, I'm happy to read that A5 will be on a "smaller" or "less epic" scale.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Avernum V in Avernum 4
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 14:41 Profile #84
quote:
Grah-Hoth is a Haakai lord and a prince among demons.
The context shows that "prince" is a methaphorical one. Do you have any citation of there being a "demon king" or that Grah-Hoth was his "only son"?

Revenge has been done overly much in Exile/Avernum and is pretty much as mundane as the he's evil because he's evil argument. Finally, why must there always be someone attacking/invading something? Can't we do better?

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Avernum V in Avernum 4
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 14:13 Profile #82
quote:
Hey. Grah-Hoth is the Prince of Demons. Chances are there are numerous spells preventing him from returning, but what about daddy? The King of the Demons is sure going to angry.
Once again, we are back to evil demons because demons are evil. Also, where do you find reference that Grah-Hoth is an actual Prince and not just metaphoric? Citation please.

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WHat's more the angry dragons, that's good. I like this idea, the Empire is being attacked by the Dragons.
The worst thing about A4 would be the utter predictability of the plot. The worst thing about this is the same reason.

Come on! Can't we shift the paradigm away from someone attacking somewhere? These games have milked that concept dry.

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How do I kill the Shade? in Avernum 4
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 14:07 Profile #1
You don't until you are told to.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Avernum V in Avernum 4
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Thursday, March 16 2006 11:25 Profile #73
I agree with Ephesos. You have to free yourself of the monster plague and evil/vindictive powerful being paradigms. A natural disaster, for example, can serve as much of a plot motivator as any bad guy.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Avernum V in Avernum 4
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Wednesday, March 15 2006 18:17 Profile #59
Capitalization and punctuation are good, rantalot, it's very difficult to read your posts. The house and quest aspect is cool, but I'd rather see a well developed and original main storyline first before adding any frills. If I ask for anything, that's what I ask for first.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Avernum V in Avernum 4
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Wednesday, March 15 2006 15:42 Profile #56
quote:
ok so demons are admitebly a little 2 dimentional but what else is there to threaten the empire???
It's Avernum we are worrying about, not the Empire. Jeff could come up with a lot of things, an undiscovered Slith kingdom, a powerful magical being, a natural occurrence such as a massive cave quake that disrupts order, etc.

In other words, tons of things as long as you don't restrict yourself to the monster plague/evil bad guy out to take over the world mentality.

I'd just like to see something else, like a game based on survival or escape.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Avernum V in Avernum 4
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Wednesday, March 15 2006 14:04 Profile #47
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i am up for a masive all out demon invasion
Please no. Demons have been used to death in so many media, it's not even funny anymore. Demons invade because they are demons and demons are evil and like to invade, circular logic. No thought involved.

The First Expedition would be a really nice change. Bring us back to survival, escape mode.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
BoE, italics in Blades of Exile
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Wednesday, March 15 2006 11:47 Profile #5
He also mentioned the help manuals, I'm not sure what platform he is on. It's times like these a screenshot would be extremely helpful.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
BoE, italics in Blades of Exile
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Wednesday, March 15 2006 11:05 Profile #3
You have not furnished details of the program you may be using to view the documentation, I need those.

Also, I'm moving this to Blades of Exile where I think it would be a little more appropriate.

[ Wednesday, March 15, 2006 11:48: Message edited by: *i ]

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
BoE, italics in Blades of Exile
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Wednesday, March 15 2006 09:06 Profile #1
Is there a way to zoom in?

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
The Origins of YOUR Custom Title in General
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Tuesday, March 14 2006 12:18 Profile #17
I assigned my own.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Posts from beyond the ban? in General
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Monday, March 13 2006 20:21 Profile #55
Crude way, but one of many.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Avernum V in Avernum 4
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Monday, March 13 2006 16:04 Profile #20
I don't think it's said officially, but one can infer that he is indeed a half-breed based upon the morphology described.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Posts from beyond the ban? in General
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Monday, March 13 2006 15:30 Profile #53
quote:
Originally written by Dintiradan:

AHA! I saw Stareye's method for finding Arghhhhhhhhh before he edited it out. Now I can evade the mods at will. Oh, the power! THE POWER! Mwuhahaha!!!
Oh trust me, you've seen nothing. Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh was easy to break. He only required the beginner's methods. I have plenty more fun things in the control panel. Heehaw! :D

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Avernum 2 - 8.54 (9.7/5.5) in General
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Monday, March 13 2006 11:18 Profile #19
8.0

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Exile 1: Escape from the Pit - 7.39 (9.0/6.0) in General
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Monday, March 13 2006 11:17 Profile #10
The engine was a bit too crude for me. Really interfered with my playing experience.

6.0

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Avernum 1 - 7.97 (9.0/4.5) in General
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Monday, March 13 2006 11:15 Profile #17
I sort of liked this, the world was fleshed out quite well. Better than the third installment, not as good as the second.

8.0

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Nethergate - 8.65 (10.0/6.5) in General
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Monday, March 13 2006 11:13 Profile #17
Never really grew on me for whatever reason. There were some cute things I liked, but it just felt too formulaic for my tastes.

6.5

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Exile 3: Ruined World - 7.50 (9.2/5.5) in General
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Monday, March 13 2006 11:11 Profile #54
*Having a senior moment*

[ Monday, March 13, 2006 11:57: Message edited by: *i ]

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Geneforge 1 - 8.92 (10.0/5.0) in General
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Monday, March 13 2006 11:10 Profile #10
I liked this game, too bad the combat became boring near the end. The premise was great, but the engine was not refined enough to deserve very high marks.

8.5

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Blades of Avernum - 8.66 (10.0/7.0) in General
*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Monday, March 13 2006 11:08 Profile #11
Powerful, but big and clunky. At least with BoE, anyone could make a scenario. With BoA, this is much more difficult. I doubt it will ever go anywhere for these reasons.

7.0

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