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Avernum V in Avernum 4
Shock Trooper
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Profile #235
quote:
Originally written by Iron Eyes:

A human turning into a Crystal Soul makes about as much sense as an earthworm pupating and emerging as a butterfly. Erika isn't the right species.

—Alorael, who will not accept that Crystal Souls are all magic and no biology (parabiology?). It makes no sense! Please turn humor detectors to setting C.

Why not consider Erika to be a caterpillar among all humans?

quote:
Originally written by Kuranes:

I don't see it being learned (let alone mastered) by humans anytime soon...
Erika wasn't a common personality. I bet she was prepared to face a real enemy in Rentar's face. Such a foolish death of such a powerful mage is out of normal fantasy canon. Like Gendalf the Grey Mage or Dumbledore (though not written yet, but 99 to 1 he is alive).

At least, this was an idea. Another way there should be to return Erika, but still concealed it is from us. I shall grant the idea of returning Erika as a shade, making parallel to Shannara and its Druids, coming back as ghosts at the lake of death, giving advices.

Edit: stupid UBB

[ Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:38: Message edited by: Meeshka ]

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

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How did you discover Avernum? in The Avernum Trilogy
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Profile #46
quote:
Originally written by Inthrall:

quote:
Originally written by Erika Maroonmark:

Couldn't you download the PC version to a Mac and then put it on a disk and transfer it to the PC?
Hmmm... I bought the Disc version of Geneforge(s), and it said on that it was compatible on Mac and Windows.

That would be really fun for everybody to know at last, that Win and Mac versions of Spidweb software are the same thing, splitted just to pull the wool over everybody's eyes. :)

Edit: Typo

[ Thursday, April 13, 2006 01:22: Message edited by: Meeshka ]

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

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Avernum V in Avernum 4
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #226
quote:
Originally written by Sharpie:

quote:
Originally written by Meeshka:

Don't make Erika a lich, PLEASE!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!

Erika's reanimation as a lich is an interesting idea but seems unlikely to me as her body was completely immoliated when Rentar triggered her curse. No corpse, no lich.

Ok, I agree. No corps - no lich. Yes soul - yes crystal, ok?

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

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Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
Is this Plot Overcliche? in Blades of Avernum Editor
Shock Trooper
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Profile #39
quote:
Originally written by Zeviz:

In a world where any apprentice mage can cast a bolt of fire and any powerful wizard can use shockwave spell to damage enemy walls, governments wouldn't bother investing into early gunpowder research, because results would be inferior to available magic. So gunpowder-based weapons would never get a chance to develop to a point where they can compete with magic.
I read several times in some fiction novels about a revolution of another type. When anti-energy field is invented or a field, making any object, moving faster then the speed of sound, disappear. No weapon except molecular (thin in 1 molecula)swords will work there. In Avernum we can see a local anti-magic field. Trust me, if somebody wants, he can make an anti-magic aggregate to cover all Ermarian. So here is the reason for a cannon or sort of BAG7.92(Boutell autogun). :)

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

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Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
Is this Plot Overcliche? in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
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Profile #39
quote:
Originally written by Zeviz:

In a world where any apprentice mage can cast a bolt of fire and any powerful wizard can use shockwave spell to damage enemy walls, governments wouldn't bother investing into early gunpowder research, because results would be inferior to available magic. So gunpowder-based weapons would never get a chance to develop to a point where they can compete with magic.
I read several times in some fiction novels about a revolution of another type. When anti-energy field is invented or a field, making any object, moving faster then the speed of sound, disappear. No weapon except molecular (thin in 1 molecula)swords will work there. In Avernum we can see a local anti-magic field. Trust me, if somebody wants, he can make an anti-magic aggregate to cover all Ermarian. So here is the reason for a cannon or sort of BAG7.92(Boutell autogun). :)

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

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Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
Avernum V in Avernum 4
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #222
Don't make Erika a lich, PLEASE!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!
Why don't you like my idea of Erika as a Crystal Soul. At least Bon-Ihrno had some respect to her, as far as I recall my memories of A2. So having his humble hut in a neighbourhood with Rentar's fortress he could have prepared everything for a crystalization ritual.
But not a lich, PLEASE!!! Ooops, I seem to repeat, do I?

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

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Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
A friendly competition. in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #12
May be we should name a concrete scenario and see how far one can go with a level 1? Calculating gained exp.points at the end? So? Bahssikava?

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
Is this Plot Overcliche? in Blades of Avernum Editor
Shock Trooper
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Profile #32
A soltpeter cannon? What on earth is that?

As for a canon, one should see all existing scenarios, based on history line, before he can include something of his own? Or canon based scenarios are just A1-A4, Bahssikava and four basic scenarios of BoA? :)

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
Is this Plot Overcliche? in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #32
A soltpeter cannon? What on earth is that?

As for a canon, one should see all existing scenarios, based on history line, before he can include something of his own? Or canon based scenarios are just A1-A4, Bahssikava and four basic scenarios of BoA? :)

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
A friendly competition. in Blades of Avernum
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Member # 6908
Profile #7
Any other ideas?
It will be a friendly competition in trying to think up a sort of competition.

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
Is this Plot Overcliche? in Blades of Avernum Editor
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #29
Since Vahnatai have lasers, why shouldn't avernites have cannons? May be magic semi-automatic ones. Dragons leave enough sulphur, I guess. As for saltpeter, it did appear in a Small Rebellion.

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
Is this Plot Overcliche? in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #29
Since Vahnatai have lasers, why shouldn't avernites have cannons? May be magic semi-automatic ones. Dragons leave enough sulphur, I guess. As for saltpeter, it did appear in a Small Rebellion.

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
Is this Plot Overcliche? in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Member # 6908
Profile #25
I don't know if I ever have time to write a scenario in either BoA or BoE, but a scenario with demons seems to me an interesting challenge, when they are good and you are bad. Still, the Karma of Avernum/Exile is not for such fireblooded creatures like Demons should find the roots of their ancestors there. I think that the good ones should origin from some surface (Ermarian unexplored, other neighbour planets with portals to Avernum, etc.) and those met in Avernum are the same exiles, outlaws of their nation.

More to say, it's only in Avernum I heard of Demons as of the undead. I see it that way that if you thrust an aspen picket in a humans heart, unsurprisingly he will die like a vampire does. That's why Repel Spirit of high level cleares them off. IMO.
BTW I never saw a female demon. Are there any in BoE scenario Demon? Will there be any in Dastal's game?

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
Is this Plot Overcliche? in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #25
I don't know if I ever have time to write a scenario in either BoA or BoE, but a scenario with demons seems to me an interesting challenge, when they are good and you are bad. Still, the Karma of Avernum/Exile is not for such fireblooded creatures like Demons should find the roots of their ancestors there. I think that the good ones should origin from some surface (Ermarian unexplored, other neighbour planets with portals to Avernum, etc.) and those met in Avernum are the same exiles, outlaws of their nation.

More to say, it's only in Avernum I heard of Demons as of the undead. I see it that way that if you thrust an aspen picket in a humans heart, unsurprisingly he will die like a vampire does. That's why Repel Spirit of high level cleares them off. IMO.
BTW I never saw a female demon. Are there any in BoE scenario Demon? Will there be any in Dastal's game?

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
A friendly competition. in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #5
So, seems like ideas here are welcome :)
Let's state some rules, I guess. Let me start, don't judge too tough :)
1. They have to have something in common with BoA
2. It has to be a competition
3. No scenario competition here, there is enough for that in other threads.
More? Corrections?

Hey, an idea! What about an idea competition? Or does it already exist.

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
A friendly competition. in Blades of Avernum
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #2
an intriguing start...

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
Pink Ribbon? in The Avernum Trilogy
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #2
That was one of my favorite quests, showing, how a real loving men should behave, saving their beloved... :D

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
How did you discover Avernum? in The Avernum Trilogy
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #17
quote:
Originally written by rantalot:

this is getting off topic...
Not for the first time on this boards, as I have understood. :)
To make it back on topic, all newcomers should just answer the first questions. :D
And for homophone names I suppose there is a place somewhere on general board for a new thread, isn't it? ;) Sorry for a sudden offtopic

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
How did you discover Avernum? in The Avernum Trilogy
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #12
quote:
Originally written by Zeviz:

... but to make it gramatically correct it would be "Dikiyeoba" (using plural form of "wild")

I think you wanted to say "Dikieoba" then. That is why I specified only homophonical similarity without changing the original. I like the spelling of Dikiyoba.
And yes, my first native language is Russian.

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
How did you discover Avernum? in The Avernum Trilogy
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #8
quote:
Originally written by Dikiyoba:

Since this is in the Avernum Trilogy Forum, Dikiyoba assumes that all questions are about Avernum.

I hope it is quite discussable. Still, while no special comments are made by the thread's author, I guess it is for the one answering to decide, Dikiyoba included :)
BTW in my lang "Dikiyoba" should be translated (homophonically) as "both are wild". A coincidence? :)

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
How did you discover Avernum? in The Avernum Trilogy
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #3
From 1991 I was playing Darklands by Microprose. It was then the most interesting and peerless game I've seen. I even copied all the riddles and puzzles from it. But since I've finished that medieval adventure I started searching for something to look like and there I found Exile I: Escape from the Pit. As for the Avernum, I came to it about two years ago.

Edit: Forgot about the last question. My favorite game, I guess, is King's Bounty. I'm inclined to think the same favor from me can be spread over the Warlords I.

[ Monday, April 10, 2006 01:10: Message edited by: Meeshka ]

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
15,000 Coin Limit? in The Avernum Trilogy
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #21
Nice thread to remember some Theory of Chances. I used to have a good point in it studing in in the University. For those who are really interested -there is a formula for the case of 3d6 to calculate a probability percent of a certain result. The scientific method to calculate for example the chance to have 8-sum of 3 dices is simply to calculate all the variants, giving you this result this way:
1 1 6 |
1 2 5 |
1 3 4 |
1 4 3 |=>6 variants for 1st fixed 1
1 5 2 |
1 6 1 |

2 1 5 |
2 2 4 |
2 3 3 |=>5 variants for 1st fixed 2
2 4 2 |
2 5 1 |

... 4 - 1st 3; 3 - 1st 4; 2 - 1st 5; 1 - 1st 6.
So it is summ of 1+2+3+4+5+6 = 21. Chance is 21 to 216.
And for a any result X in this case chance is:
double Chance(X)
{
Res = 0;
Basement = 6*6*6;
for (i=1;i==X-2;i++) Res += i;
return Res/Basement*100;
}

I hope that wasn't TOO far from the thread's theme :)

[ Saturday, April 08, 2006 10:40: Message edited by: Meeshka ]

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
The most boring spell and monster in The Avernum Trilogy
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #30
quote:
Originally written by Wang is Sympatriot:

This thread is about boring monsters. You mentioned Dark Wyrms. They may bother you, and they definitely bother me, but they aren't boring.

—Alorael, who considers townspeople very boring monsters. They don't even attack you!

Nice we came to a compromise. No bothering here, just grievous ennui and boresome remorse, dealing with some Avernum inhabitants and their magic posessions.
Then I guess we should discuss Shaynee from Shaynee Bazaar. Dealing with her I didn't even see her. Just the dialog. No possible attack from her side at all. :)

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
Will Exile ever be carbonized? in The Exile Trilogy
Shock Trooper
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Profile #48
quote:
Originally written by Thuryl:

quote:
Originally written by Waylander:

There's nothing revolutionary involved in making certain programs run on your updated OS, which you were able to run on the older versions.
How much experience do you have with programming? Updating software isn't just a matter of adding new things on to the existing code -- if you try to manage updates that way, especially in a large company with hundreds of programmers and a significant employee turnover rate, your code quickly becomes buggy and impossible to maintain. A major update often involves completely rewriting large parts of the code

I think what Waylander meant is that one dozen of "hundreds of programmers" could write a good emulator in a couple of days, so that it won't be an "adding new things on to the existing code" but adding a new thing to the completely rewritten code. I'm not sure for Mac OS, but WinXP (along with W2000) has a kind of one. Although it sucks, still some even some DOS oldies can run on WinXP.
As for Jeffs answer about "some old games" which "have to drift off into the past", I'd like to add, that it doesn't go with games we call "Classics of a genre". I remember good old Darklands by MicroProse, which caught me even before Exile I, and now they are gone because WinXP DOS-emulator doesn't support high memory enhancement. Good I have an opportunity to use an old Pentium I based PC with Win98 on it and still play that pre-Exile game.

PS. Sorry for making alive a dead thread :)

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00
The most boring spell and monster in The Avernum Trilogy
Shock Trooper
Member # 6908
Profile #25
quote:
Originally written by That hem hath holpen:

...
—Alorael, who doesn't think Dark Wyrms are boring. Annoying and pesky, yes, but not boring. At least a frontal assault isn't guaranteed to take them down painlessly.
Sorry, mixed up "boring" and "bothering". And I didn't call'em boring, btw. :)

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9 masks sing in a choir:
Gnome Dwarf Slith
Giant Troll Troglo
Human Nephil Vahnatai
"If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?"

radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1
Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00

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