Is this Plot Overcliche?
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, April 12 2006 03:52
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I don't know if I ever have time to write a scenario in either BoA or BoE, but a scenario with demons seems to me an interesting challenge, when they are good and you are bad. Still, the Karma of Avernum/Exile is not for such fireblooded creatures like Demons should find the roots of their ancestors there. I think that the good ones should origin from some surface (Ermarian unexplored, other neighbour planets with portals to Avernum, etc.) and those met in Avernum are the same exiles, outlaws of their nation. More to say, it's only in Avernum I heard of Demons as of the undead. I see it that way that if you thrust an aspen picket in a humans heart, unsurprisingly he will die like a vampire does. That's why Repel Spirit of high level cleares them off. IMO. BTW I never saw a female demon. Are there any in BoE scenario Demon? Will there be any in Dastal's game? -------------------- 9 masks sing in a choir: Gnome Dwarf Slith Giant Troll Troglo Human Nephil Vahnatai "If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?" radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1 Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, April 12 2006 04:36
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quote:Only on Spiderweb... Oh, and am I the only one who looked for some kind of joke in Infernal's "FYT" post? o_O [ Wednesday, April 12, 2006 04:36: Message edited by: Kuranes- ] -------------------- Encyclopaedia • Archives • Members • RSS [Topic / Forum] • Blog • Polaris • NaNoWriMo Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. I have a love of woodwind instruments. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Councilor
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written Wednesday, April 12 2006 04:50
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Originally by Arancaytar: quote:Dikiyoba did for a second and then realized that it was like a reverse post-FYT post set. Cannons are a joke in and of themselves. Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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Master
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written Wednesday, April 12 2006 05:25
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Fine with me too, as long as you keep it at cannons, and not move on too full automatic shotguns. -------------------- Play and rate my scenarios: Where the rivers meet View my upcoming scenario: The Nephil Search: Escape. Give us your drek! Posts: 3029 | Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, April 12 2006 06:08
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Since Vahnatai have lasers, why shouldn't avernites have cannons? May be magic semi-automatic ones. Dragons leave enough sulphur, I guess. As for saltpeter, it did appear in a Small Rebellion. -------------------- 9 masks sing in a choir: Gnome Dwarf Slith Giant Troll Troglo Human Nephil Vahnatai "If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?" radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1 Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Wednesday, April 12 2006 06:32
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By Ephesos: quote:FYT (just couldn't resist this one). :P And yeah, now that I think about it, DwtD was far more annoying than Bahs. EDIT: No cannons. I'm having horrifying flashbacks of Dungeon Siege (a not-so-temporary moment of insanity, I know). Goblins with mini-guns and flame-throwers. Arghhhhhhhhh!!! -------------------- What kind of person would write "Aughhhhhhhhh" as he was dying? Maybe he was dictating! - Quest for the Holy Grail [ Wednesday, April 12, 2006 06:35: Message edited by: Dintiradan ] Posts: 1509 | Registered: Tuesday, January 10 2006 08:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Wednesday, April 12 2006 09:32
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quote:WHERE?? AHHH! -flees in panic- Oh, wait... nm... In seriousness, I don't think that there's anything wrong with incorporating evolving technologies into the world of Avernum (saltpeter cannons, etc.). We just need to make sure that we keep our developments in line, lest Ermarian go through an unprecedented industrial revolution. -------------------- The Silent Assassin is thinking of changing his dress style to something a bit more modern. I have told him on several occasions that pink bunny slippers are not the way to go. -------------------- -Lenar Labs What's Your Destiny? Ushmushmeifa: Lenar's power is almighty and ineffable. All hail lord Noric, god of... well, something important, I'm sure. Posts: 735 | Registered: Monday, January 16 2006 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, April 12 2006 09:47
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A soltpeter cannon? What on earth is that? As for a canon, one should see all existing scenarios, based on history line, before he can include something of his own? Or canon based scenarios are just A1-A4, Bahssikava and four basic scenarios of BoA? :) -------------------- 9 masks sing in a choir: Gnome Dwarf Slith Giant Troll Troglo Human Nephil Vahnatai "If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?" radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1 Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00 |
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Nuke and Pave
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written Wednesday, April 12 2006 10:11
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quote:An industrial revolution wouldn't be completely unprecedented. :) However, I don't think canons and other gunpowder weapons are very realistic in a magic-heavy world of Avernum: Early guns were very unreliable and slow to load. It took a long time to develop gunpowder that could explode well. It also took a long time time to develop guns that could be loaded sufficiently fast to fire more than once before the enemies get to you. In a world where any apprentice mage can cast a bolt of fire and any powerful wizard can use shockwave spell to damage enemy walls, governments wouldn't bother investing into early gunpowder research, because results would be inferior to available magic. So gunpowder-based weapons would never get a chance to develop to a point where they can compete with magic. -------------------- Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword, For it too has the power to kill. However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword, Can also have the power to heal. Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Wednesday, April 12 2006 10:20
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It wouldn't be the Empire or Avernum making cannons, but rebellious splinter groups without mages might put in the effort. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Wednesday, April 12 2006 10:38
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Hmmm... a Nethergate-esque scenario in the distant Ermarian future, with technology versus magic, could be interesting... it would have no similarities with the rest of the canon, though. -------------------- No more English essays! Wheeeeeeeee!!! Posts: 1509 | Registered: Tuesday, January 10 2006 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, April 12 2006 10:50
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quote:That was truly an unpleasant level... never got very far past it either. And then my hard drive died, torching my only save. -------------------- Gamble with Gaea, and she eats your dice. I hate undead. I really, really, really, really hate undead. With a passion. Posts: 4130 | Registered: Friday, March 26 2004 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, April 12 2006 13:26
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In a world with magic, technology becomes a lot less necessary. Very few times have futuristic technology and magic been fused in a way that I find pleasing. Star Wars, of course is the exception to this rule, and every other rule. -------------------- "As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of darkness surrounding it." --Albert Einstein -------------------- Posts: 536 | Registered: Sunday, September 7 2003 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Wednesday, April 12 2006 16:30
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quote:"Avernum canon" derives from A1-4 and the four Jeff-made BoA scenarios. Then there are certain "continuities": the Echoes continuity is one, which includes most of TM's scenarios. The Bahs (eventually the Bahs/Exodus) continuity is another, stemming from Bahssikava. It's possible to make a scenario that does not contradict canon or any of the BoA continuities, but that may not always be completely necessary. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, April 12 2006 21:38
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quote:I read several times in some fiction novels about a revolution of another type. When anti-energy field is invented or a field, making any object, moving faster then the speed of sound, disappear. No weapon except molecular (thin in 1 molecula)swords will work there. In Avernum we can see a local anti-magic field. Trust me, if somebody wants, he can make an anti-magic aggregate to cover all Ermarian. So here is the reason for a cannon or sort of BAG7.92(Boutell autogun). :) -------------------- 9 masks sing in a choir: Gnome Dwarf Slith Giant Troll Troglo Human Nephil Vahnatai "If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?" radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1 Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00 |
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The Establishment
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written Thursday, April 13 2006 20:09
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quote:Prove it. :P -------------------- Your flower power is no match for my glower power! Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Thursday, April 13 2006 21:53
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quote:*pulling out his dear PM 9mm* No zelatory here, please. :D By the way, I forgot to say that that field had a tendency to spread throughout and on the whole planet. The only proof here can be is that I can name the novel and te story I mentioned, if anyone is interested. But since I highly doubt they are translated into English for most users here it is quite useless (sorry for tautology). Except I find enough time to translate them. :confused: Cross my heart, I swear! (always wondered if "swear" and "swears" have the same origin) Edit: some addition. [ Thursday, April 13, 2006 21:59: Message edited by: Meeshka ] -------------------- 9 masks sing in a choir: Gnome Dwarf Slith Giant Troll Troglo Human Nephil Vahnatai "If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?" radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1 Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Thursday, April 13 2006 22:29
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Um... the odds that somebody would be able to do that before a melee fighter comes in and smashes face are low. Very, very low. Besides, said field would probably require quite a bit of magical talent. Thus, whoever created it would nullify his/her strongest talent, removing a lot of the motivation for perpetrating such a puzzling act. -------------------- Gamble with Gaea, and she eats your dice. I hate undead. I really, really, really, really hate undead. With a passion. Posts: 4130 | Registered: Friday, March 26 2004 08:00 |
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Master
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written Thursday, April 13 2006 22:32
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quote:*whistles for TM to come* -------------------- Play and rate my scenarios: Where the rivers meet View my upcoming scenario: The Nephil Search: Escape. Give us your drek! Posts: 3029 | Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Thursday, April 13 2006 23:01
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quote:Didn't quite get that. Whom was that for? Somebody would be able to do what? quote:I thought I don't need to say that if such field is ever invented, definitely no mage will be interested in using it. I never said it would be a mage. I don't think Kurchatov with his hydrogen bomb was interested... -------------------- 9 masks sing in a choir: Gnome Dwarf Slith Giant Troll Troglo Human Nephil Vahnatai "If the mask under mask to SE of mask to the left of mask and to the right of me is the mask below the mask to the right of mask to the right of mask below me is the same, then who am I?" radix: +2 nicothodes: +1 salmon:+1 Posts: 203 | Registered: Tuesday, March 14 2006 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Friday, April 14 2006 00:55
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quote:9mm? Oh, please! My bulletproof vest can stop those even without the kevlar plates. So that means that even my groin is shielded against your pathetic weapon. *pulling out his 7.62 RK-95* Alright, it's technically not mine but I still get to shoot it. And as for the original topic(s): I don't mind demons. Hell, I used them and they had very little motivation other than we're evil and we can. I see you probably won't be making the same mistake. Good for you! quote:I dunno... Has anyone played Arcanum? Magic isn't available for everyone but even the stupidest dolt can pull a trigger *waves his hand excitedly* Even the most simple gunpowder-based weapon can kill a talented magic-user. Also everyone would benefit from steam engines and such and machines do not need sleep, food or ridiculously tall towers to boost their ego. So maybe governments wouldn't invest in that kind of research but maybe wealthy individuals would. -------------------- These are my scenarios. I may have too much free time but I really don't care. Backwater Calls, Magus of Cattalon, Rats Aplenty Get them here Visit The Lyceum for all your rating needs. Posts: 211 | Registered: Sunday, January 30 2005 08:00 |
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