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Pssst... it's a secret in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Friday, May 7 2004 23:05 Profile Homepage #54
Surprisingly enough, an indubitably good guess. And correct too.

But I do take your point Imby. You people are necessary.

[ Friday, May 07, 2004 23:06: Message edited by: FatBatMonkey ]

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Happy Beltane! in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Friday, May 7 2004 13:38 Profile Homepage #67
Kel, all humans DO behave in set patterns. Have you ever seen a human fail to do something "human"? Just because it is a very wide field doesn't mean it does not exist.

I also never said that everyone had to have the same goal. Just something to work against: hunger, thrist, boredom, foreigners. Whatever it is, humans thrive in adversity.

I also never said "faith in human nature". I was referring to humans being human. And when has trust been necessary for ANYTHING?

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Pssst... it's a secret in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Friday, May 7 2004 13:31 Profile Homepage #51
Now now Apu, we must have respect for our mighty, glorious, beneficient, magical and all-round really great mods(!)

Any guesses at where the sarcasm started?

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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I see a pattern emerging... in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Friday, May 7 2004 13:26 Profile Homepage #19
Well, that's probably about right. Not the biggest collection I know of, but still quite stupidly large...

As for the ballon, if refuelling is deemed impossible, then how about replacing the current propulsion system with really flatulent gerbils? IMAGE(biggrin0.gif)

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Over my rather deceased cadaver. Rrrrrrr. in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Friday, May 7 2004 13:18 Profile Homepage #63
Mmmm... how fun. Kel, all I said about the ease of designing a new system, was that Alec could probably think of something. I never said it would be a better or worse one. In fact, despite Alec's downright arrogance, he could probably come up with a very good model.

You keep on harping about solving the problems. The dang thing isn't even half-finished yet! Is a programmer able to fix the bugs in a line of code BEFORE it is written IMAGE(frown000.gif) ? Well?

No. My line of thought is not even perpendicular to what we are discussing. I merely stated that what you bring up is not a concern at the moment. So I am afraid to inform you that you are in mistake in believing agreement.

Constitutions are just stupid, they complicate things no end. There are very few countries that use one or an equivilent and those that do, generally speaking, are lame. In fact, so lame that they could be called lem. In fact so lem that they are lemmer than LemSip IMAGE(biggrin2.gif) .

And quite frankly, your apparent requirement to have documents ruling the government, rather than actual plain ole common sense, is, shall we say, disappointing :confused: .

There are, and will, be issues that will be solved. There are no two ways about it.

TARD, it has gotten to a point where the present government in this country cannot be improved. Not because it has reached the best state, but instead because of widespread resistance to change within it. Also, the fundamental cores of this government is very difficult to change, through the way that the law is.

As for the discussion, yes, at this point I am quite happy to end it before some more redundant and idiotic comments are made. But knowing these boards, someone will want the last word. :rolleyes:

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Happy Beltane! in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Friday, May 7 2004 12:50 Profile Homepage #65
You continue to assume too much. How do you even come to these conclusions? You have no faith in people. It's not a question of responsibility or accontability, but instead a question of "community justice". If you have a thief in an anarchic community, you have no police force to protect you. You do, however, have many people who are interested in "not being next". Community Justice.

You may be a barbarian, but I need no protection whatsoever from you. Governmental or otherwise. I have never pirated software. I have never pirated something for that reason.

I would claim enlightenment. I claim a human enlightenment. All humans behave in a certain way. All humans follow the paths. This is my humanics.

Trust is unecessary. A goal is all that is required.

Anyway, those "laws" that you speak so high of... they're more like guidelines... and therein lies the choice.

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Happy Beltane! in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Thursday, May 6 2004 11:50 Profile Homepage #62
Yes and no. In some cases (like the sort I meant, water, food etc.) there is no issue of it being binding, more a wish for agreement on how to deal with a problem. In the sort of case you specify, no, it would not be anarchy if any decision tried to "bind" anyone to that decision.

This I think is why you are mixing what I say with forms of democracy. To the second, I ask this; would it REALLY be practical to have a population of, say, 10,000 all trying to discuss things in the same place at the same time? No.

What I said was that they could decide it in smaller groups and have some people say what what those groups thought. However, yes, it would not be anarchy if it tried to get people to submit to the will.

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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I am now.. in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Thursday, May 6 2004 11:41 Profile Homepage #28
Bet you were hoping for the Action Man toy, weren't you?

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Over my rather deceased cadaver. Rrrrrrr. in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Thursday, May 6 2004 11:31 Profile Homepage #57
Kel, the whole point was that you were bringing up "bugs" that would have been fixed long before roll-out. It is only early in design and it would be damn stupid for me to go fixing every single problem now.

The only reason any of this ever happened, was because YOU asked if I had anything better than the present government.

When I have finished it and sovled all the faults in the design, THEN, maybe is it something to discuss potential problems. In that I was stupid enough to practice hypocrisy against my own principle.

Devising a new system is not easy. I never said it was, but dammit I'm trying, which is a dang sight more than I could say for you.

I have answered every query to the best of my abilities and yet you still can't figure out that it is still going around in my head and on paper. My way of thinking is certainly not something easily judged. ESPECIALLY not in such a crude form of communication.

Unless you have something of GENUINE USE to offer and not just pointless criticism, I suggest the matter is left alone for now.

Good day. Bleh, feh, meh.

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Happy Beltane! in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Thursday, May 6 2004 11:14 Profile Homepage #60
YES. You overgeneralize that community anarchy will only work on the small scale. ie. you can only get so many to agree.

You also overgeneralize that the only way for them to get anything done is through agressive acts. You sir, are a barbarian.

There are such things as people agreeing with each other. Not trying to kill each other. There are such things as territorial equivilents of mergers.

The problem is defintion. If everyone came together to agree on something, it could still be anarchism. There are undoubtably people who would disagree with this but, what the hey. It becomes governance when you have people to represent you, full time, and agree on issues themselves.

ie. you elect them, they decide. This is governance. But where you get to a large enough scale, anarchy becomes complicated. It would not be practical for everyone to come together and decide. In this case, they can decide in their own areas and have people bring those decisions together to see what has been decided. This is still anarchy. But complex anarchy.

Just because it has not yet been done does not make it impossible. Alec's comments are the best example in this thread.

Morgan: you are a rarity in that case. I do believe that altering the government it could be better. I do not, however, believe that a change will "overnight" make everything better. Nor is it likely to make everything better, it can in some areas make things worse.

Starfyre: Yes, you did get the point. Being that most people don't want the sort life that anarchy entails so aren't seriously trying.

And once again: why on Earth do I keep arguing FOR it, when I'm not even an anarchist?!

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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which is better in Geneforge Series
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Wednesday, May 5 2004 10:32 Profile Homepage #7
I prefer GF to GF2. Don't ask me why. Probably because I haven't managed to earn enough to get GF2, so I don't know what eventually happens... oh well. :rolleyes: .
Posts: 1487 | Registered: Sunday, February 10 2002 08:00
which is better in Geneforge
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Wednesday, May 5 2004 10:32 Profile Homepage #7
I prefer GF to GF2. Don't ask me why. Probably because I haven't managed to earn enough to get GF2, so I don't know what eventually happens... oh well. :rolleyes: .

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Aut Tace Aut Loquere Meliora Silencio
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I see a pattern emerging... in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Wednesday, May 5 2004 10:27 Profile Homepage #15
Well THAT is open to interpretation.

I know of at least two TGM. Well I'm pretty sure the second is yours aswell. You probably have/had more but... bleh, feh, meh.

I am, however, again amazed - in the third question, "French?" has almost overtaken "Lagot etc.". Point being - There are people I haven't managed to accidentaly P off?! Since when?

EDIT: TGM, if you have been paying attention, you'll notice that in the last week I've managed to find myself in arguments with at least half a dozen people (and have probably aggravated at least a dozen more for that).

About three, four months ago I managed this again. It's an unfortuante habit. I also know that certain people such as Alec (probably Maaya aswell. UA if he's still around, after the... ahm, "discussion" had with him) seem to take a dislike to me. Don't know why. I have made several enemies however I put it.

Which I really find quite odd as I try to stay out of trouble as much as possible. The slightest remark seems to set people off. (Remember that "fun discussion" in "*bangs head on desk*"?) Oh well... IMAGE(biggrin0.gif) .

[ Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:44: Message edited by: FatBatMonkey ]

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Over my rather deceased cadaver. Rrrrrrr. in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Wednesday, May 5 2004 10:20 Profile Homepage #54
(I will be calm. I will not start a flame war) *deep breath*

I cannot think of the correct words. This causes the mis-understanding. This is hypocrisy. We are discussing something which is not complete yet. To offer the entire plan yet would be stupid as it is not yet complete. And even then I need to iron out the feasabilities.

I claimed fault on "elegant" simply because, as all language is "made-up", it is open to interpretation. Similar to certain other words like "generation" (as in the passage of years).

I too apologise to anyone who is bored out of their skull by now (ie. everyone). This is a matter of principles now. And thus, bores.

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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I see a pattern emerging... in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Wednesday, May 5 2004 10:05 Profile Homepage #12
Ah, but you mis-understand my comment. The whole point was that if people posting on the boards increases costs, he would not wish to encourage new members.

A barber is a type of hairdresser... :confused:

Though I was expecting a few more in the "lagot" category, it would appear that this poll has had reasonable success. It also proves that some people here DO have a sense of humour. I am, however, quite surprised at the number of people who have voted on this. 37 in what, 13 hours?

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Exile/Avernum in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Tuesday, May 4 2004 17:29 Profile Homepage #9
You only JUST noticed that TM?

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Exile/Avernum in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Tuesday, May 4 2004 17:15 Profile Homepage #7
In that case it is already 4-D. Whoah! That was fast! AMAZING.

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Pssst... it's a secret in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Tuesday, May 4 2004 16:51 Profile Homepage #45
Now now Motrax, we won't be having no yokelism out of you young man...

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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I see a pattern emerging... in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Tuesday, May 4 2004 16:41 Profile Homepage #4
Whole point, Djur, was that while you obviously say yes to the first, Vogel would have no reason to do so. Think about it. He's trying to make money, not spend more cash on the bandwith costs. And yet they are there.

First was to query this. Second to ask if members were merely doubling accounts. Third because it needed it. (Well not really, but I thought I had a third question to start with and then found that I didn't and was too lazy to go back and change it.)

EDIT: talking of conspiracies, there have been an unusally large number of users voting on this in such a short time, coincidentally, there have been a large number of votes of "lagotry". Hmm... conincidince? Probably with my recent behaviour. Terribly sorry.

[ Tuesday, May 04, 2004 16:45: Message edited by: FatBatMonkey ]

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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I see a pattern emerging... in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Tuesday, May 4 2004 15:49 Profile Homepage #0
I have been looking through some of the earlier member accounts (yes, I was THAT bored IMAGE(eek00000.gif) ) and have noticed something - it would appear that with the exception of our really well-loved group of regular-posting oldies (not being sarcastic(!) Honest(!) IMAGE(biggrin0.gif) ), there are literally hundreds of accounts which have either been used maximum of half a dozen times, or in fact have never been used at all...

Therefore I created a poll based on this.

Poll Information
This poll contains 3 question(s). 56 user(s) have voted.

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Happy Beltane! in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Tuesday, May 4 2004 14:35 Profile Homepage #42
Yes Kel, in this week it is. Next week it will probably have blown over and I'll have calmed down.

It could be called perennial madness, but quarterly would be more true.

I have my silly week. This is another, it is angry week.

But you'll still never get me to admit I was wrong.

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Happy Beltane! in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Tuesday, May 4 2004 13:26 Profile Homepage #38
Anarchy is merely a lack of government. You over-complicate it, and thereby lose the point.

Strangely enough, I've never been to uni. Even if I do, I am unlikely to come across that in anything I might take.

I listened to others, they mostly bored me. I came up with the me that I know and love.

There's no "guaranteed protection" anyway. People who have worked hard at things all their lives CAN still have it taken away in seconds. None of what you say sounds different from what we have at the moment. Offer a real downside and sure. But until then... quack IMAGE(smile000.gif) .

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Happy Beltane! in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Tuesday, May 4 2004 13:03 Profile Homepage #36
So you're basing your arguement on a biased piece of literature. Now I am not even sure whether that is supposed to be fiction or non-ficton, christ! I've never even heard of the author.

However, anarchy can work. In permanence. It would require work, that's all. Practical anarchy is not how you think.

Bejeysus! Why the FF do I always end up having to play the anarchic side when I'm not one?! :confused: . Whatever.

However, it would be a good idea to do two things, firstly, you should take into account that everyone else in the world DOESN'T think just like you. Secondly, grow some opinions of your own dammit. Or at the very least get some better take-offs.

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Over my rather deceased cadaver. Rrrrrrr. in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Tuesday, May 4 2004 12:50 Profile Homepage #52
Actually, with the exception of your fine self IMAGE(biggrin2.gif) (which I still dispute), I have not flambed anyone recently. Saying something that actually means something? Whoah! I mean slow down! There's no need to rush things!

In conclusion: Pointy Sticks?, Who Will Buy My

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Happy Beltane! in General
Rupert
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Member # 618
 written Tuesday, May 4 2004 12:36 Profile Homepage #34
Yes dear, but I can count. I'm 15.

Anarchy can work. Just no-one wants to make it work. I never said the poor boy could not spell.

You are right, you are wrong. But you have your belief so that's all that matters. Everything else is details.

And to repeat myself once again:

"I am insane; too poor to be eccentric, too stupid to make something out of life. Too much of a thinker to live, too smart to die. I am me. Me is I. And I can be."

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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