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Scenarios currently being worked on in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Please don't. I'm quite sure one thing we won't need is more bad scenarios. :P
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I'd like to throw my balls in to point out that *trying to make the worst scenario* will fail, miseraly.
*sigh* Guess you're right. Nothing beats the naturally bad scenarios (I still wonder what that lost_king trilogy is... :rolleyes: ) . And who would play it anyway? I still think it can be done though, as some kind of parody maybe, so you won't get rid of it that easily :P .

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Please don't. I'm quite sure one thing we won't need is more bad scenarios. :P
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I'd like to throw my balls in to point out that *trying to make the worst scenario* will fail, miseraly.
*sigh* Guess you're right. Nothing beats the naturally bad scenarios (I still wonder what that lost_king trilogy is... :rolleyes: ) . And who would play it anyway? I still think it can be done though, as some kind of parody maybe, so you won't get rid of it that easily :P .

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If you are talking about creating new races, Jeff made clear before Spiderweb released the editor that there wouldn't be any possibility to do that. His intention with creating the editor was that people should design scenarios about the Avernum universe, he hadn't time or money to create a RPG development utility. Thus he didn't include a possibility to design new races.

I don't think it's a bad idea, thought. I wouldn't mind some Vahnatai in the party...but I guess they're more bound to their people than Sliths and Nephils. So they wouldn't join a party of adventurers just like that.
But we'll see. Maybe some day I hope... :)

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If you are talking about creating new races, Jeff made clear before Spiderweb released the editor that there wouldn't be any possibility to do that. His intention with creating the editor was that people should design scenarios about the Avernum universe, he hadn't time or money to create a RPG development utility. Thus he didn't include a possibility to design new races.

I don't think it's a bad idea, thought. I wouldn't mind some Vahnatai in the party...but I guess they're more bound to their people than Sliths and Nephils. So they wouldn't join a party of adventurers just like that.
But we'll see. Maybe some day I hope... :)

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I haven't played the lost_king trilogy, but whatever it is, I will do my best to make something worse. Promise.

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I haven't played the lost_king trilogy, but whatever it is, I will do my best to make something worse. Promise.

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I'm planning a quite strange scenario called "Dread Diseased". The name comes from the Article "10 Dread Diseases" by The Creator and the scenario is simply a example of everything a scerario shouldn't be. In other words, I'm trying to make the very worst scenario ever - based upon this list of diseases (which will all be in the scenario) and doing the complete opposite to all advices I've ever read. So my ambition is to create something that people can look at and say: "Learn from this, my friend, this is terribly bad."

I truly am pathetic, am I not? :rolleyes:

I will try to create it with the unregistred version, since disease 6: Delusions of Grandeur requires that. The question is if it will be playable (as I can never test it with the unregistred version). Maybe I'll have to register after all...

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I'm planning a quite strange scenario called "Dread Diseased". The name comes from the Article "10 Dread Diseases" by The Creator and the scenario is simply a example of everything a scerario shouldn't be. In other words, I'm trying to make the very worst scenario ever - based upon this list of diseases (which will all be in the scenario) and doing the complete opposite to all advices I've ever read. So my ambition is to create something that people can look at and say: "Learn from this, my friend, this is terribly bad."

I truly am pathetic, am I not? :rolleyes:

I will try to create it with the unregistred version, since disease 6: Delusions of Grandeur requires that. The question is if it will be playable (as I can never test it with the unregistred version). Maybe I'll have to register after all...

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Making of Avernum 1 - 3 in Blades of Avernum Editor
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This has been discussed on the BoA forum, in this thread. As you can see, everyone who replied (except for me) hated the idea, and no one (except for Kennedy, who started the thread) thought it was possible. I still don't think it's a very bad idea, but read this thread before you consider it further.

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Making of Avernum 1 - 3 in Blades of Avernum
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This has been discussed on the BoA forum, in this thread. As you can see, everyone who replied (except for me) hated the idea, and no one (except for Kennedy, who started the thread) thought it was possible. I still don't think it's a very bad idea, but read this thread before you consider it further.

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Deleting a town entrance from outdoors? in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Originally written by Keladon:
Edit the town entrance (to set it to leading to a different town number) and then hit cancel instead of entering a number.
I think this is the answer you seek (I found it in an old thread). Good luck.

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Deleting a town entrance from outdoors? in Blades of Avernum
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Originally written by Keladon:
Edit the town entrance (to set it to leading to a different town number) and then hit cancel instead of entering a number.
I think this is the answer you seek (I found it in an old thread). Good luck.

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Avrenum Series as Blades of Avernum Scenerios. in Blades of Avernum
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It's a great idea, really. I've thought the same thing myself - it would be amazing to send your party between the different Avernums and see it evolve! I think there are two major problems, though:

1. Spiderweb Software is still selling the original Avernum games. If you made a perfect recreation of these avalible for free, very few would buy them. But you're asking for Spiderweb's permission and maybe you can find a solution. Perhaps they could sell the scenarios with the games?

2. The bigger problem (which someone would have remarked sooner or later anyway, probably sooner) is that you will spend the rest of your life doing this. Though you are just going to copy Avernum 1, 2 and 3 I shudder at the thought of how much time and work you will have to spend doing this, and you will probably give up after the first game at the very best. I don't know you, maybe you're some supernatural being, though to me it sounds like an almost impossible project.

But then again, it's a GREAT idea. Wish you luck.

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It's that time again in Blades of Avernum
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From what I've heard it's coming by June, but that's some time ago and Keladon lately mentioned July or August here. But I think that if Jeff knew when it would be finished more exactly than "summer", he'd write that instead of "summer".

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A game programmer's point of view in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Appearently not any interview I was able to find... Was that long ago? I checked the interviews in the Spidweb.com News section and I didn't find it. Any clues?

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A game programmer's point of view in Blades of Avernum
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Appearently not any interview I was able to find... Was that long ago? I checked the interviews in the Spidweb.com News section and I didn't find it. Any clues?

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A game programmer's point of view in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Well, we've already seen screenshots of a 'Geneforge Campaign Editor', and the scripting language is started already.

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Screenshots? Where
Yes, where?? Not at Spidweb.com, not at Drakefyre's Demesne, and I can't find them with Google. Are they confidential information or something? I'm an extremely curious person, so if I can see them, please give me the link. If I can't... well, then just explain to me why.

:(

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A game programmer's point of view in Blades of Avernum
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Well, we've already seen screenshots of a 'Geneforge Campaign Editor', and the scripting language is started already.

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Screenshots? Where
Yes, where?? Not at Spidweb.com, not at Drakefyre's Demesne, and I can't find them with Google. Are they confidential information or something? I'm an extremely curious person, so if I can see them, please give me the link. If I can't... well, then just explain to me why.

:(

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A game programmer's point of view in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Well, Half-life actually was a GAME, more than a utility, it had lots and lots of levels. No offense to the Blades of Avernum included scenarios - they are great - but as I understand it they were created to show what the engine could preform. After all, the first people who bought Half-life, and thereby made it popular, hardly thought that they bought a engine they would use for creating scenarios. Half-life didn't even include an editor (I think). The reason why people started to mod Half-life was that they liked the GAME, not only the engine. So the programmer's fear isn't silly at all - if Valve had released just the engine and some example levels, maybe Half-life wouldn't have been far as famous as it is today.

What I was trying to say was that more people should do as Jeff Vogel and make a game/utility focused on the editor, not the premade game. Because, as you say, people like making games. And I do. :D

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Well, Half-life actually was a GAME, more than a utility, it had lots and lots of levels. No offense to the Blades of Avernum included scenarios - they are great - but as I understand it they were created to show what the engine could preform. After all, the first people who bought Half-life, and thereby made it popular, hardly thought that they bought a engine they would use for creating scenarios. Half-life didn't even include an editor (I think). The reason why people started to mod Half-life was that they liked the GAME, not only the engine. So the programmer's fear isn't silly at all - if Valve had released just the engine and some example levels, maybe Half-life wouldn't have been far as famous as it is today.

What I was trying to say was that more people should do as Jeff Vogel and make a game/utility focused on the editor, not the premade game. Because, as you say, people like making games. And I do. :D

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I'm also a hobbyist game programmer, but I've never released any shareware games, just freeware (that's why I call myself "hobbyist" :rolleyes: ).

But in fact, it was game editors that made me intrested in it. I think it all started with the one for Age of Empires, but it was the Blades of Exile editor that really made me understand how great game design really is.

I truly agree with you about RPGs - they are a LOT harder to develop than arcade games. But, at a matter of fact, I think they are also much better. When the very first RPGs came, they brought the idea of telling a story in the game, which quickly spread to other genres. But telling a story with a game is (at least for me) quite harder than telling it with words or pictures. I truly admire everyone who has ever finished a RPG.

As for Blades - I agree, there's a great idea behind it. I'm almost suprised that so few game developers dares to release a game and say:
"Here is an engine - here is an editor - here is some good examples of what you can do with them - get started."
Maybe most progammers are afraid no one would create any scenarios. But it works! And as you say, everyone gets happy in the end.

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I'm also a hobbyist game programmer, but I've never released any shareware games, just freeware (that's why I call myself "hobbyist" :rolleyes: ).

But in fact, it was game editors that made me intrested in it. I think it all started with the one for Age of Empires, but it was the Blades of Exile editor that really made me understand how great game design really is.

I truly agree with you about RPGs - they are a LOT harder to develop than arcade games. But, at a matter of fact, I think they are also much better. When the very first RPGs came, they brought the idea of telling a story in the game, which quickly spread to other genres. But telling a story with a game is (at least for me) quite harder than telling it with words or pictures. I truly admire everyone who has ever finished a RPG.

As for Blades - I agree, there's a great idea behind it. I'm almost suprised that so few game developers dares to release a game and say:
"Here is an engine - here is an editor - here is some good examples of what you can do with them - get started."
Maybe most progammers are afraid no one would create any scenarios. But it works! And as you say, everyone gets happy in the end.

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Article - The Moral of the Story in Blades of Avernum Editor
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Pinochet (imperialist Capitalism) murdered, Marx murdered (imperialist Communism).
Maybe I'm just entirely stupid :confused: , but if you refer to the "real" Marx and Pinochet, I actually don't think Marx ever murdered (or sent someone to murder) anyone. Lexicons says he "participated in the revolution", but then mostly as a writer and not as some kind of killer.
Pinochet, however, clearly ordered lots of people to be killed. So I think it's kind of fair to portray Pinochet as more evil, whatever you may say about Marx politics.
But let's not make Spiderweb Message Boards into a political or historical forum - to the point.
Creator, I really do think you got a point, but there are different types of scenarios. BoA takes place in a fantasy world - and after all, almost every old fairy tale has this simple "he-is-a-evil-wizard-and-he-wants-to-be-evil-just-because-he's-so-evil" concept, and thought it may make people feel a bit stupid playing it, you can make a good story out of that too. Remember that in Lord of the Rings (and now I'm talking about the the books, not the scenarios) Sauron didn't really had a good reason to not just join up with the good people, tell them to please give him his ring, and living happily with the Vala for eternal time. He's just evil. And Lord of the Rings seems good to me anyway...
Is a scenario very different?
I don't say all scenarios have to be this simple, I just say they don't all have to be that advanced. We all need some fairytales. :)

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Article - The Moral of the Story in Blades of Avernum
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Pinochet (imperialist Capitalism) murdered, Marx murdered (imperialist Communism).
Maybe I'm just entirely stupid :confused: , but if you refer to the "real" Marx and Pinochet, I actually don't think Marx ever murdered (or sent someone to murder) anyone. Lexicons says he "participated in the revolution", but then mostly as a writer and not as some kind of killer.
Pinochet, however, clearly ordered lots of people to be killed. So I think it's kind of fair to portray Pinochet as more evil, whatever you may say about Marx politics.
But let's not make Spiderweb Message Boards into a political or historical forum - to the point.
Creator, I really do think you got a point, but there are different types of scenarios. BoA takes place in a fantasy world - and after all, almost every old fairy tale has this simple "he-is-a-evil-wizard-and-he-wants-to-be-evil-just-because-he's-so-evil" concept, and thought it may make people feel a bit stupid playing it, you can make a good story out of that too. Remember that in Lord of the Rings (and now I'm talking about the the books, not the scenarios) Sauron didn't really had a good reason to not just join up with the good people, tell them to please give him his ring, and living happily with the Vala for eternal time. He's just evil. And Lord of the Rings seems good to me anyway...
Is a scenario very different?
I don't say all scenarios have to be this simple, I just say they don't all have to be that advanced. We all need some fairytales. :)

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Is BOA playable with less than 4 pc party? in Blades of Avernum
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This matter has been discussed in a old topic. If you're intrested in reading in, I'll put a link below.

Topic: Playing through the included campaigns...with just one character!

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