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Geneforge wiki? in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Spoiler warnings seem kind of redundant. If you don't want spoilers you have no business reading an encyclopedia about the game world. Common sense really, and otherwise we'd have to slap them on everything.

The books and series that have their own wikis tend to be sprawling series with large fanonical communities, the other thing I mentioned besides the editor. Geneforge has no fanon, really.

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Geneforge wiki? in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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No, it's definitely not two ideas. Besides what's quoted above, I also said that I think a FAQ type wiki is pointless. I was simply suggesting that, in the absence of a scenario creation program and a fanon community, I didn't think it was necessary to be as strict as EE in pretending we didn't know we were talking about a video game.

I particularly dislike the separate namespace idea. Even with sidebar or tab links, that becomes a hassle to organize and to navigate. It's extra work for us, it's extra clicks and time spent for site users, and I don't see what it adds. What exactly is the problem with having OOC information, if there is any we deem relevant, on the same page? In all likelihood there would be very little.

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Geneforge wiki? in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #27
What do you think about the following standard: using a "=== Gameplay Information ===" section for any out of character information we may want to include? This preserves the main article text in the EE tradition while allowing for inclusion of OOC info without contorsion.

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Geneforge wiki? in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #24
I'm not sure I see the sense in making ET a repository for FAQ-type information -- which would be redundant and not useful -- or for build ideas or other strategy or play hints, which are subjective and do not belong in an 'authoritative' style project like an encyclopedia.

I do think it would be nice to be able to say "The Guardian Claymore provides a +2 Strength bonus" rather than "The Guardian Claymore enhances the physical prowess of those who wield it."

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I, II, or III in The Exile Trilogy
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Profile Homepage #15
I just did a test. With a fresh Pacifist, the follow spells were castable in combat mode:

- Light
- Invisibility
- Long Light

- Light Heal
- Weaken Poison
- Sanctuary
- Symbiosis
- Cure Poison
- Light
- Heal
- Light Heal All
- Cure Disease
- Restore Mind

That is the COMPLETE list. Pacifism not only stops Bless and Haste, Summon Spirit and Flame Cloud, it also stops Dispel Field and Scry Monster!

(Obviously, this list does not include spells unavailable at the start of the game.)

The workaround is that Pacifism has no effect outside of combat mode, so in walkabout mode a Pacifist can cast summon spells (as well as Dispel Field and Scry Monster). But most other prohibited spells can only be cast in combat mode, so they can't be used at all.

Ridiculous.

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Geneforge wiki? in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #20
That's a good question. The lack of a scenario creator and fanon community makes this very different.

First, I think we can say that ET should only have information from the games and not anything that's made up. In another direction, I don't think anything would be added by writing the encyclopedia "in character" as EE is. It would probably be more useful to discuss "out of character" information like creation stats if we find it useful.

Thoughts?

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Geneforge wiki? in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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My one concern about terrestia.ermarian.net is that it inherently sounds like it supports Geneforge-Avernum syncretism.

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I, II, or III in The Exile Trilogy
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
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Apparently it also prevents the character from indirectly damaging the opponent in any way, including by summons, field spells, buffs and debuffs...

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Geneforge wiki? in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
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That's five people counting myself and (I am assuming) Celtic Minstrel. Assuming at least three of us follow through, that should be sufficient to make ET worthwhile. (Hey, it's a new ET acronym.)

I'll volunteer for admin duties, since my experience with EE might be helpful there. Aran, let's make this happen.

So the next question is:

terrestia.ermarian.net
or
geneforge.ermarian.net
or

something else entirely? vlish.ermarian.net? shanti.ermarian.net? danette.ermarian.net? defniel.ermarian.net? barred.ermarian.net?

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A Bile Crux in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Just for that, I'll say that my favorite threads are the ones on the mod board. :rolleyes:

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"Slartucker is going to have a cow when he hears about this," Synergy said.
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Geneforge wiki? in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #5
Encyclopedia Terrestia.

Aran tells me this is quite doable. The bandwidth isn't an issue and the installation is simple.

I think it could be neat, so the question becomes, are there several people interested in contributing to it?

My own involvement would probably be organizing, categorizing, editing, and making lists and templates. Are there others who are interested in actually writing articles? If so, this could be a good project.

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"Slartucker is going to have a cow when he hears about this," Synergy said.
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Geneforge wiki? in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Profile Homepage #4
Excalibur, a wiki article is not the same as a wiki. Wiki is also not short for Wikipedia, in case that was the confusion.

The reason an E/A wiki makes sense is that there are numerous world elements (be they people, places, races, laws of nature, or what have you) that do very different things in different games in the series.

In the Geneforge series, world elements tend to either be one-shot appearances, or be fairly static. There are a relatively small number of recurring characters, compared to literally hundreds of recurring characters in the Avernums. There are no recurring locations. Individual creations, apparati, and magical effects do not change much over the series. Instead of learning something new about clawbugs in each game, each game tends to say the same things about clawbugs. The result is that, unlike Avernum, there is not a lot of information to cross-reference. For most subjects you can find all the information there is by checking just one part of a game.

That said, I wonder how much work it would take Aran to set one up. ^_^

EDIT: I changed my mind. This sounds neat, even if less useful than EE. Aran, how much work would it take to set one up?

[ Saturday, January 12, 2008 18:18: Message edited by: Unhasty ]

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Slarty vs. DeskDesk vs. SlartyTimeline of ErmarianG4 Strategy Central
"Slartucker is going to have a cow when he hears about this," Synergy said.
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Geneforge wiki? in Geneforge Series
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Profile Homepage #1
EE draws from Exile as much as Avernum.

And, no. EE exists mainly because of Blades scenarios, and secondly because of creative forum activity years ago. Geneforge has neither of these things.

While a site covering some of the major players, locations, ideas, etc. in Geneforge might be cool, the world isn't even remotely as expansive as Ermarian is.

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"Slartucker is going to have a cow when he hears about this," Synergy said.
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Locking in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
Member # 261
Profile Homepage #185
quote:
Originally written by Stillness:

Slarty,

If I’m in a discussion, I respond. I’m pretty much out of this one unless I get a response to my request. It’s really not worth my time. I’m not looking to convert anyone, but I would at least like something progressive. Things like Stareye asking me the same questions over and over again after I’ve answered explicitly and people thinking I don't believe life evolves would be bearable if I got a little cooperation from the other side.

Stillness, there have been numerous times that you have asked a question, somebody has answered it, and you have asked the question again without addressing the answer. Discussing is about being willing to explain things to the other side even when you think you have already done so adequately. I don't think you answered Stareye's question in this thread, and you can't expect people to remember 30 pages of previous threads half of which were eaten by the UBB.

I don't blame you for being pretty much out of this one, but I think it's disingenuous to be in it when you want to ask a question, and out of it otherwise. In this discussion both sides appear to have more questions than answers (as befits the topic)! If you're done with the discussion then get out of the discussion, for crying out loud.

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"Slartucker is going to have a cow when he hears about this," Synergy said.
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[censored]! in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Deportment?

*facepalm*

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Locking in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Profile Homepage #176
quote:
Originally written by Stillness:

Thanks for all the responses gang.... What I would most like to see though is a response to my request.
SoT pointed out two debates ago that many questions were being stacked up against Stillness, and that it was unfair to expect him to answer every single post. I think that's legitimate. However, I also think it's reasonable to expect Stillness to make a reasonable attempt at responding to at least some of the other participants' questions, if he wants us to respond to his.

Stillness, when people accuse you of not answering questions and changing the subject, you say that you don't do those things. Well, let me point out that you are doing them right now.

SoT also suggested, as I recall, that the debate would go much better with a moderator to help organize what exactly was being discussed. Barring that, however, I think it's only fair that we all try to respond to questions we are asked.

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Locking in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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For clarity, Stillness, if a supra-natural god isn't the willful agent / purposeful agency, then what is? Aliens? The High Evolutionary? Tyrannosaurs in F-14s?

[ Friday, January 11, 2008 08:41: Message edited by: Unhasty ]

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Locking in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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What are you learning right now? in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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quote:
Originally written by Dintiradan:

I've only taken two psychology courses, but both gave me the impression that the focus is much more on facts memorization than concept application. I realize that memorizing facts is much more important than in the maths and related departments, but still...
This is unfortunately true of most lower level psych courses. Some of this is useful, because you are essentially learning vocabulary that makes discussions of theory and practice much simpler. Some of it is just glorified historical wankery. It's a pity, because psychology, much like the hard sciences, can easily provide a beautiful intellectual vista when approached in a spirit of critical inquiry and wonder... rather than as a fact-finding mission.

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Town script error in Blades of Avernum Editor
Raven v. Writing Desk
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You're missing a quote.

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How continuous is the trilogy's story in The Avernum Trilogy
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Part of the fun of E/A 2, as well, is seeing how people and places have changed in the six years since E/A 1.

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"Slartucker is going to have a cow when he hears about this," Synergy said.
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Locking in General
Raven v. Writing Desk
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Kelandon did a very nice job articulating the reasons why it is sometimes constructive to participate in these ostensibly useless debates. My tolerance for this particular variety of frustration is lower than his, which is why I don't participate as frequently or (usually) for as long of a stretch.

Other people who share my lower tolerance would do well to monitor themselves when they participate in debates and just leave the topic before they get to the breaking point.

Personal attacks and invective almost inevitably get pulled out at some point. Thuryl is neither the only nor the worst culprit, although he is particularly good at saying things that appear so ordinary that they slip under the radar. But frankly, even the worst comments here are not particularly scathing. If mild invective on the internet is so troubling, I have to wonder how one would deal with the real world (and I ain't talking about reality TV).

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