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Warrior
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written Sunday, July 16 2006 05:42
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Hey, has anyone noticed a lack of (human) children in the geneforge world? In avernum there are a lot of children, but i can't remember a single one from geneforge. OK, i realise it's not such a big deal, but i just noticed. :D -------------------- I don't care what you say, I'm punk and Hardcore all the way! Posts: 185 | Registered: Sunday, June 4 2006 07:00 |
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Agent
Member # 6581
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written Sunday, July 16 2006 06:49
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Yes, we were talking about on the topic Wow! (GF4). -------------------- Download Geneforge 4: Rebellion You have 6 posts. Nobody cares what you think. - Thuryl Wikipedia may be your friend, but UBB is not. - Dikiyoba Posts: 1310 | Registered: Tuesday, December 20 2005 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Sunday, July 16 2006 08:06
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The reason, as I understand it, is that you would be able to kill children in the game if they existed. Apparently genocide of every living thing isn't as bad as killing one child. -------------------- But I don't want to ride the elevator. Posts: 420 | Registered: Sunday, January 8 2006 08:00 |
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Agent
Member # 6581
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written Sunday, July 16 2006 08:37
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quote:Is sarcasm, or you think it really? [ Sunday, July 16, 2006 08:37: Message edited by: MagmaDragoon ] -------------------- Download Geneforge 4: Rebellion You have 6 posts. Nobody cares what you think. - Thuryl Wikipedia may be your friend, but UBB is not. - Dikiyoba Posts: 1310 | Registered: Tuesday, December 20 2005 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Sunday, July 16 2006 09:02
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I think the caveat "Apparently" speaks for itself. Anyway, if you thought hard enough I am sure you could find some justification for killing everything in the game. I know I felt that way in Avernum. The powerful humans are always up to no good, and friendly creatures like the GIFTs can be murdered without regret because they are simply monster scum. You'd be hard pressed to find good reason for slaughtering the youth, but you could argue that the sick beggar boy was going to grow up to be a thorn in your side. My motto for genocide is to leave the neutral creatures alone. Unfortunately, that leaves only livestock at the end of the game. -------------------- Thuryl: I mean, most of us don't go around consuming our own bodily fluids, no matter how delicious they are. ==== Alorael: War and violence would end if we all had each other's babies! ==== Drakefyre: Those are hideous mangos. Posts: 1415 | Registered: Thursday, March 27 2003 08:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
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written Sunday, July 16 2006 09:02
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He's just describing the logic involved in eliminating children in order to eliminate the possibility of killing one, while still allowing the possibility of killing everything else in the game. -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, July 16 2006 10:36
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quote:Well if you look at it from the biological and historical ways - if a million years ago someone killed a human child now we'd not have to worry about overpopulation, so in a way killing a child can be genocide by itself ... :P [ Sunday, July 16, 2006 10:37: Message edited by: Anarhiztok ] -------------------- I don't care what you say, I'm punk and Hardcore all the way! Posts: 185 | Registered: Sunday, June 4 2006 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Monday, July 17 2006 04:51
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Oh well. I think is a genocide killing people who haven't weapons and cannot defend ourselves in a good way -- normal people, thant don't have even an armor and attack you with fists. -------------------- Download Geneforge 4: Rebellion You have 6 posts. Nobody cares what you think. - Thuryl Wikipedia may be your friend, but UBB is not. - Dikiyoba Posts: 1310 | Registered: Tuesday, December 20 2005 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Monday, July 17 2006 05:19
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Yeah, that is kinda funny, especially considering how pople are afraid of shapers and you, but they still become hostile and attack you. They are either very brave and make a stand for them selves or they are depressed and have suicidal tendencies ... -------------------- I don't care what you say, I'm punk and Hardcore all the way! Posts: 185 | Registered: Sunday, June 4 2006 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Monday, July 17 2006 09:15
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Nothing prevents you from killing children in the Exile and Avernum games. Faulty reasoning. -------------------- Encyclopaedia • Archives • Members • RSS [Topic / Forum] • Blog • Polaris • NaNoWriMo Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. I have a love of woodwind instruments. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Monday, July 17 2006 12:55
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Drow, you're right, but at exile/avernum you weren't supposed to wipe out a city of peaceful folks, as fare as i remember, but at geneforge the cities of different sects can frequently turn hostile towards you when you allign. But still, maybe a lack of human children would be due to maybe a catastrophe or something that made a lot of people of terestria (i hope i spelled it right) sterile and now the shapers shape humans (it also says somewhere in the introduction to one of the games that you might reshape the world, well, if one'd look further, one could see, that the only living beings are shaper experiments (even rats as mentioned in the intro to the second game)) - that'd even justify the fear and respect everyone has of shapers. Gee, looking at what i wrote, i hope i didn't make too much philosophy. I'd better get some rest ... :) :) -------------------- I don't care what you say, I'm punk and Hardcore all the way! Posts: 185 | Registered: Sunday, June 4 2006 07:00 |
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...b10010b...
Member # 869
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written Monday, July 17 2006 12:59
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quote:So Jeff changed his policies since A3. It's not unheard-of. Come to think of it, does A4 have any children in it either? I don't recall any. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Monday, July 17 2006 13:08
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King Starrus is a ... well, not a grown-up at least :) Other than that ... hm, i don't remember either. -------------------- I don't care what you say, I'm punk and Hardcore all the way! Posts: 185 | Registered: Sunday, June 4 2006 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Monday, July 17 2006 18:00
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By A4 the children are probably in hiding unless you count the GIFTS babies. In A1 you had a few children like Angharad (?) who grew up in A4 to run the merchants in Cotra. I think A3 in a few towns was the last to have children unless you count some BoA scenarios. Geneforge didn't have many children if I remember it. In GF2 there was one in Medab. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
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written Tuesday, July 18 2006 01:16
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Also one in Zhass-Uss, I seem to recall. Playing behind a building where there's no other reason to go, so if the town did go hostile you could probably escape fighting the little dude. In fact I think if you're careful you can whack all the Drayks and things without hurting any of the noncombatant Serviles. -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Tuesday, July 18 2006 01:36
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Well, we are talking about human children, but the rogues children? Expecially for a Rebel, this should be important. Examples: the baby Clawbugs in GF2, with the mother; or the baby Dryak in GF3, again with a CryoDryak mother. Killing them is immoral? The Clawbugs are innocent (they don't attack you) and the Dryak are intelligent. -------------------- Download Geneforge 4: Rebellion You have 6 posts. Nobody cares what you think. - Thuryl Wikipedia may be your friend, but UBB is not. - Dikiyoba Posts: 1310 | Registered: Tuesday, December 20 2005 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Tuesday, July 18 2006 01:39
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Hya, jeff should really make an option that you can shoo children away if they attack you :) -------------------- I don't care what you say, I'm punk and Hardcore all the way! Posts: 185 | Registered: Sunday, June 4 2006 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Tuesday, July 18 2006 07:35
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Would the meat of a baby ornk be veal? -------------------- Nobody appreciates me. It's all "Igor! Fetch some wine!" "Igor! Clean up this experiment!" or "Igor! Bury this in the garden, we're leaving town in 10 minutes!" —Alorael, who tried to become a deivore once. The priest gave him a funny look after the third wafer. Posts: 301 | Registered: Thursday, October 2 2003 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Tuesday, July 18 2006 09:22
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Only if they're cows. Which they aren't. So no. -------------------- ??? ?????? ???? ????? Posts: 883 | Registered: Wednesday, October 19 2005 07:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
Member # 3431
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written Tuesday, July 18 2006 15:06
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It's not clear that there are any baby Ornks. Ornks may just emerge as adults from Shaper vats. Or, in at least one case, a Spawner. Or perhaps young ones are brought by the stornk. -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, July 18 2006 18:53
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It is explained in the games that creations can reproduce on their own to save the Shapers the trouble of shaping them all. quote:In Vakkiri, Lietz was a child. -------------------- Bring back TM or [i]DIE.[/i] To spread the hype, as well as cause your crush's name to appear on the screen, copy this into your signature. Posts: 458 | Registered: Friday, August 6 2004 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, July 18 2006 18:54
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EDIT: My first double post, I think. And it was about reproducing. [ Tuesday, July 18, 2006 18:56: Message edited by: Shard of Fire* ] -------------------- Bring back TM or [i]DIE.[/i] To spread the hype, as well as cause your crush's name to appear on the screen, copy this into your signature. Posts: 458 | Registered: Friday, August 6 2004 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Wednesday, July 19 2006 16:17
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>Or perhaps young ones are brought by the stornk. Don't be silly. Baby ornks don't come from the stornk. They come when a mommy and daddy (who love each other very much) decide to fornk. Posts: 1 | Registered: Saturday, May 13 2006 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, July 19 2006 16:49
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This has been brought up before, but I wish that not every single thing attacked you in a town if they are angry (expecially spying allies). -------------------- "After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one." - Cato the Elder (234-149 BC) "The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process." -Kripke "One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly." -Friedich Nietzche Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00 |
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Councilor
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written Thursday, July 20 2006 21:43
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Dikiyoba usually casts terror on the hostile non-combatants, like the serviles and spies in Barzite lands. It usually kills them, but Dikiyoba can pretend that they just ran off. Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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