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Off With Their Heads
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You could make that one button not disappear somehow... although I have no concept of how hard that would be to do. I for one would not object to a random button still being there in outdoor mode.

EDIT: And, as you probably noticed, in a topic here, Jeff said that Spiderweb will put up a "utilities for BoA" section beside the scenarios. He implied that it would contain the 3D Editor. So it looks like it will be available on Spiderweb itself, which is far better than I could do.

[ Friday, July 23, 2004 10:06: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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You could solve the lack of buttons the way I did, by having a button to switch between the new functions and a bunch of rarely used buttons.

I would be interested in merging your editor with the things I've been doing - we've been changing different things so there wouldn't be overlap in new functions.

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Unfortunately, doing wall drawing in 3D would take extra, somewhat complex code, so they wouldn't be entirely compatible without effort. Also, I think your Get X,Y Location used the same button as my turn 3D on/off. But neither of those is a big problem.

Jeff responded to my e-mail. Among other things, he said, "I'll try to remember to send you a sample of tinting code." We can only hope...

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If he doesn't remember, e-mail him again. And again. And keep prodding him until he does remember. That's the primary way to get things done around here. (I'm guessing you know this already, but just in case.)

EDIT: It would be really awesome if you could get icon adjustment to work in the 3D Editor. Really, really awesome.

[ Saturday, July 24, 2004 09:10: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
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quote:
Originally written by Isaac:

quote:
Originally written by Dahak:

The editor does not show floors that have been adjusted using fl_floor_height_pixels
You misunderstand the effect (maybe). From the BoA Editor Docs: "The number of pixels up graphics and creatures drawn on this space are shifted." The floor itself isn't affected (I assume). Actually, I didn't realize such a thing existed, so I'll have to test in the game and fix the 3D Editor anyway.

It actually does shift the actual floor icon up. This is a bug, however. I reported it to him when I noticed it and he said he would investigate it.

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Now I have a reason to make scenarios! Thank you! I'll keep an eye out for any bugs.

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When I made the beginning of the scenario with this 3D editor, and then tested it, the door graphics ddn't work! It was just a strange thing being there. It was still doors, but they didn't look like doors. Has that happened to anyone else?

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quote:
Originally written by The Almighty Doer of Stuff:

quote:
Originally written by Isaac:

quote:
Originally written by Dahak:

The editor does not show floors that have been adjusted using fl_floor_height_pixels
You misunderstand the effect (maybe). From the BoA Editor Docs: "The number of pixels up graphics and creatures drawn on this space are shifted." The floor itself isn't affected (I assume). Actually, I didn't realize such a thing existed, so I'll have to test in the game and fix the 3D Editor anyway.

It actually does shift the actual floor icon up. This is a bug, however. I reported it to him when I noticed it and he said he would investigate it.

Nooooooo. I like having the floor drawn up or downward. It creates some nifty illusions that I use. I can put floors at different heights, but look as if they are the same height. This is very nice.

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Well, It was compiled with "XCode." . . . . I have what is known as a "9.1 OS mac", and so therefore it won't work it just says it was damadged or unusable by my computer. I don't know what "Xcode" is, but is there possibly an equivalent writing program that would allow it to be in a format that a mac of lesser power, say one OS 9.1 could use.

. . . . I swear if you build this program for me i will make a couple . . . . possibly even several, or even a few scenarios. I just hate those 2D squares so much . . . Coding isn't so bad, its all just words . . . . its drawing those terrain squares that takes forever. The concept of this 3D program is great btw

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quote:
Originally written by Dahak:

quote:
Originally written by The Almighty Doer of Stuff:

quote:
Originally written by Isaac:

quote:
Originally written by Dahak:

The editor does not show floors that have been adjusted using fl_floor_height_pixels
You misunderstand the effect (maybe). From the BoA Editor Docs: "The number of pixels up graphics and creatures drawn on this space are shifted." The floor itself isn't affected (I assume). Actually, I didn't realize such a thing existed, so I'll have to test in the game and fix the 3D Editor anyway.

It actually does shift the actual floor icon up. This is a bug, however. I reported it to him when I noticed it and he said he would investigate it.

Nooooooo. I like having the floor drawn up or downward. It creates some nifty illusions that I use. I can put floors at different heights, but look as if they are the same height. This is very nice.

Yes, you're correct, and the latest version accounts for that.

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Originally written by Cho Dan:

Well, It was compiled with "XCode." . . . . I have what is known as a "9.1 OS mac", and so therefore it won't work it just says it was damadged or unusable by my computer. I don't know what "Xcode" is, but is there possibly an equivalent writing program that would allow it to be in a format that a mac of lesser power, say one OS 9.1 could use.

. . . . I swear if you build this program for me i will make a couple . . . . possibly even several, or even a few scenarios. I just hate those 2D squares so much . . . Coding isn't so bad, its all just words . . . . its drawing those terrain squares that takes forever. The concept of this 3D program is great btw

Being compiled in Xcode should not in itself be a problem, but I had to change the code some to get it to compile in Xcode, which is probably why it doesn't work for you when the standard editor does.

[ Sunday, July 25, 2004 00:41: Message edited by: Isaac ]

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Shame about it not working on anything but OSX. Maybe want to make a note of that on your download site, save people the trouble. Maybe I'll get a better mac one of these days.

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quote:
Originally written by Kelandon:

If he doesn't remember, e-mail him again. And again. And keep prodding him until he does remember. That's the primary way to get things done around here. (I'm guessing you know this already, but just in case.)

EDIT: It would be really awesome if you could get icon adjustment to work in the 3D Editor. Really, really awesome.

I've received a sample of the code, yay! I'll look at it tomorrow.

quote:
Originally written by Cho Dan:

Shame about it not working on anything but OSX. Maybe want to make a note of that on your download site, save people the trouble. Maybe I'll get a better mac one of these days.
Ok, I'll do that.
EDIT: Done.

[ Sunday, July 25, 2004 13:08: Message edited by: Isaac ]

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wow, that would be amazing!
but unfortunately i only have mac os 8.6 :-(
i only try to use the normal editor for the first time and one problem is to imagin, how it would be later in the game.

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Isaac, if you're interested, I can give you a [whatever].jbfalstrom.com/ to play with. E-mail me if you'd like, I hardly use my bandwidth currently.
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btw Minor . . . u might try running ur BOA editor and the actually BOA game at the same time to see what everything looks like. Of course its more time consuming.

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cho dan: thx, i'll try if both work together, my rather old mac doesn't always like things like this, but i'll try

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Mh. Tell me, is there any free program for emulating Mac on a PC? :(

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Yes, but it'll only work if you have a Mac ROM image and a copy of MacOS.

The Mac ROM image (and most likely MacOS) are amazingly illegal to own if you don't actually have a Mac.

Why not just poke him til he makes it for Windows?

[ Friday, July 30, 2004 03:14: Message edited by: Shining Lightbulb ]

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*pokes him until he makes one for windows*

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If he doesn't have a PC, you may be poking for some time.

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As an emulator of MacOS, I know that there was PearPC, however, I think that one of the creators passed away and most of the project was shut down. You can still get a download of it, but I would tell you that the emulation is rather slow, so if you attempt to use it, be ready to wait. You can download the emulator here:
http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/

The task of course, would be to find the ROM for MacOS 10.3, but if your really looking for it, it's out there. Unfortunately, this post is more informative than a surefire method to emulate, use at your own risk.

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So is anyone actually planning on porting this anytime in the not-so-distant future? Possibly? A definite "maybe" would be great.

Knowing this tool is out there has completely robbed me of the willpower required to slog through outdoor sections in 2-D.

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A friend of mine has expressed interest in porting it, but he's unsure whether he's skilled enough at programming. Also, I'm still working on the Mac version. 0.10 will be ready soon (without tinting, unfortunately, but I'll be working on that after I finish 0.10).

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I have finished version 0.10b1! There is a new mode, which I call "realistic mode". It displays it just like in the game, as if you had a character in the center of the view. You access it using the same button (with a different picture) as the 2D zoom in/out button. Or, press OPTION-TAB (which also works in 2D to use the zoom in/out button).

I finally worked out how to display those little bits of walls in the corner of two walls (it was very difficult). Let me know if you see anything wrong with it.

Moving around the display should be significantly faster now (I think).

And many minor bug fixes.

As usual, download it from the link in my signature (or the one at the beginning of this thread - they both go to the same place).

Oh, and if you haven't already, take a look at my "Links" page to find my favorite free games.

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Allow me to repeat myself: WOW.

YOU ADDED LINE OF SIGHT YOU ARE A GOD IF I WERE FEMALE I WOULD WANT TO HAVE YOUR CHILDREN

EDIT: Oh, um, I thought of something. It would be nice if monsters showed the same rectangles around them that tell whether they're hostile or friendly or hidden or whatever as they do in 2D mode.

[ Wednesday, August 04, 2004 09:30: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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