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Shock Trooper
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Does anyone know when the whole über thing got started? Why do people say über when they don't even speak German? There's no Misc anymore so i guess this must be general. Thanks

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I guess this is an exact equivalent to using "super" when you don't have Latin. I don't have a Mac so I'm not going to try to write it though.

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Not sure where it got started but it just seems to be another foreign word that has found its way into American slang. Maybe it stemmed from that what's-his-name German philosopher and the (can't do the umlaut) ubermensch....
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I think it's because the English superlatives have become so overused that they no longer have the impact people might want to convey.

People then decide to borrow from another language - it still means 'super' but it sounds foreign (hence 'intellectual') and has more impact as it's not used as often as the word super.

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quote:
Originally posted by Felwynne:
Not sure where it got started but it just seems to be another foreign word that has found its way into American slang. Maybe it stemmed from that what's-his-name German philosopher and the (can't do the umlaut) ubermensch....
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Warrior
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Darn! I thought so! Freddy! "Man and Superman"...d'oh! Gosh, now we can be all existential and stuff. But then, what would it matter? :)
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Using über in a non-German context is annoying, but it beats the Mötley Crüe. :P

(I speak a bit of German, but I'm not entirely sure what it means. From what I gather, it has a few meanings. It can mean "over" as in "Deutschland über alles", or it can mean "about" as in "wir sprechen über deutsche Worte".)

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We're all amazed but not amused
By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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My Latin class seems to have coined the phrase "uber-vir..."

Ahem. I don't know, "uber" isn't a bad word to have around. It kind of creeps into your vocabulary when you aren't paying attention, and then you'll just suddenly use it in conversation and wonder where it came from.

I don't know much German, but I do use the word "scheise" a lot...it's less offensive in a classroom setting.

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I will now reveal my hypocrisy by whining about how you cursed in foreign languages on the boards immediately after I posted the WTF award.

*does so*

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How übersensitive of you.

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Scheise isn't a curse word any more than siht is. :P

And über is just a German superlative.

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desperance -- je me souviens
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I can speak a little Latin. I sadly forgot most of what I learned, which wasn't much.

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Guardian
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to TM: 'über' covers 'over', 'above', 'about' and sometimes 'beyond'.

Alec, if you wish to use those words: it's 'Scheiße' and 'Schit' (both have the same meaning, but Schit is nicer, though mostly used in the north, as it is northern dialect).

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Polaris
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If one is unfond of non-ASCII-standard characters, ß is transliterated ss, never s.

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desperance -- je me souviens
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Who says "Über"? And what does it mean in American slang?

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And it is most definitely not transliterated as 'b'. :P

ef- Germans care less about curse words than we do, right?

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We're all amazed but not amused
By all the things that you said you'd do.
You're much concerned but not involved by
Decisions that are made by you
But we are sick and tired of hearing your song,
Telling us how you are going to change right from wrong,
'Cause if you really want to hear our views,
You haven't done nothin'.

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Everyone cares less about curse words than you do. :P

Seriously, I met an American once and he told me that the thing that surprised him most about Australia was that profanity in movies wasn't censored over here.

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TM, I don't know, as I can't listen to you talking. But it's true that we use them a lot without even realizing that we do. The soft versions most of the time. It's, well, expressive.

[ Thursday, May 08, 2003 04:55: Message edited by: ef ]

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Polaris
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You get uber-glaakhs in GF, of course. And Nietzsche had his uber-moustache, as you can see from the pic, even if it was compensation for a thoroughly miserable life, topped by being cast as Prof. Moriarty by Conan Doyle.

Are anthropologists being xenophobic when they suggest German culture seems excessively focused on the bodily functions mentioned above? Or was it just Martin Luther?

In my experience, Americans are even more disturbed by casual nudity (esp. male nudity) on foreign TV than swearing. And news reports that last longer that three sentences without an ad break.
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"Warum rülpset und pfurzet ihr nicht? Hat es euch nicht gemundet?"
-Martin Luther.

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Guardian
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That was 15th/16th centaury. I wouldn't advise you to try that today. :)

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Polaris
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Unless what I have been told is wrong, the only Word You Can't Say On TV German has begins with "fo", ends with "ze", and has a "t" in the middle. [There are always words that are offensive for some other reason, but none, I am told, has more sheer vulgar capacity than that one.]

Generally, Americans are some of the most prudish people in the world, second to maybe Russians [and the latter springs from a cultural authoritarianism more than anything else]. I'm sure there's a reason for this, but I'm not sure what.

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desperance -- je me souviens
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"why and do pfurzet do you ruelpset not? Didn't it gemundet you?"

Babelfish is so helpful :D

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That's a riot. Someday (soon, hopefully), i'd like to write an essay/paper and run it through babelfish to translate it into another language and then back to english. The results should be quite interesting.
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Shock Trooper
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quote:
Originally posted by RentBoy:
That's a riot. Someday (soon, hopefully), i'd like to write an essay/paper and run it through babelfish to translate it into another language and then back to english. The results should be quite interesting.
Macho Business Donkey Wrestler.

Yes I must say running an automated translation trough 3 or 4 languages will make for a good laugh.

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