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Infiltrator
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written Monday, March 20 2006 13:06
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Bolding those that apply: Vowel mergers/splits: Rhyme: trap, bath (the vowels, anyway) Rhyme: father, bother Identical: cot, caught Rhyme: foot, goose Identical: Lennon, Lenin Identical: pin, pen Identical: line, loin Identical: coil, curl Final vowel of "happy" rhyme with vowel of "meet" R madness: Identical: father and farther Identical: Mary, marry, merry Rhyme: mirror, nearer Rhyme: fern, fir, fur Identical: horse, hoarse L madness Rhyme: salary, celery Identical: fill, feel Identical: fell, fail Identical: full, fool Consonants Same middle consonant: Singer, finger Identical: Heat, eat Identical: Should've, should of (if you were to say "should of") Identical: Wait, weight Identical: Wine, whine So, for the most of you that pronounce "singer" differently from "finger," how are the two pronounced? I pronounce them both almost without the /g/, and just with the velar nasal. Also, the "i" is very short and transformes into the velar "n" almost immediately. -------------------- 5.0.1.0.0.0.0.1.0... Posts: 508 | Registered: Thursday, May 29 2003 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Monday, March 20 2006 13:11
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I pronounce singer without the 'g' and finger with it. I can't imagine how 'fin'er' would sound, unless spoken very quickly. -------------------- "Build a man a fire, and he´ll be warm for a day; set a man on fire, and he´ll be warm for the rest of his life." Posts: 65 | Registered: Thursday, March 2 2006 08:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Monday, March 20 2006 13:19
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Finger typically has the /g/. To imagine finger without it, just say singer and then replace the s with an f. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Monday, March 20 2006 13:51
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Apparently the loss of the /g/ in "finger" is characteristic of some Scottish dialects. (EDIT: And others... that's the interesting thing about this poll. Also, far more people are reporting saying "hap-ee" than I would've expected based on the info online.) The split of "trap" and "bath" (which had the same vowel in Middle English) didn't occur in most varieties of American English (including my own). [ Monday, March 20, 2006 13:59: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Shake Before Using
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written Monday, March 20 2006 14:17
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Vowel mergers/splits: Rhyme: trap, bath - Yes Rhyme: father, bother - Yes Identical: cot, caught - Yes Rhyme: foot, goose - No Identical: Lennon, Lenin - Yes Identical: pin, pen - No Identical: line, loin - No Identical: coil, curl - No Final vowel of "happy" rhyme with vowel of "meet" - Yes R madness: Identical: father and farther - No Identical: Mary, marry, merry - First and last, yes Rhyme: mirror, nearer - Yes Rhyme: fern, fir, fur - Yes Identical: horse, hoarse - Yes L madness Rhyme: salary, celery - Yes Identical: fill, feel - No Identical: fell, fail - No Identical: full, fool - Yes Consonants Same middle consonant: Singer, finger - Yes Identical: Heat, eat - No Identical: Should've, should of - Yes Identical: Wait, weight - Yes Identical: Wine, whine - Yes Posts: 3234 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Monday, March 20 2006 14:50
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Vowel mergers/splits: Rhyme: trap, bath (the vowels, anyway) Rhyme: father, bother Identical: cot, caught Rhyme: foot, goose Identical: Lennon, Lenin Identical: pin, pen Identical: line, loin Identical: coil, curl Final vowel of "happy" rhyme with vowel of "meet" R madness: Identical: father and farther Identical: Mary, marry, merry Rhyme: mirror, nearer Rhyme: fern, fir, fur Identical: horse, hoarse L madness Rhyme: salary, celery Identical: fill, feel Identical: fell, fail Identical: full, fool Consonants Same middle consonant: Singer, finger Identical: Heat, eat Identical: Should've, should of (if you were to say "should of") Identical: Wait, weight Identical: Wine, whine I grew up in Maryland before moving to New Jersey. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Monday, March 20 2006 15:20
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Heres a South Florida accent(or lack of one I'm told). If I gave this test to someone from downtown Miami I would have very different results. Vowel mergers/splits: Rhyme: trap, bath - Yes Rhyme: father, bother - Yes Identical: cot, caught - Yes Rhyme: foot, goose - No Identical: Lennon, Lenin - No, but very close Identical: pin, pen - No Identical: line, loin - No Identical: coil, curl - No Final vowel of "happy" rhyme with vowel of "meet" - Yes R madness: Identical: father and farther - No Identical: Mary, marry, merry - Yes Rhyme: mirror, nearer - Yes Rhyme: fern, fir, fur - Yes Identical: horse, hoarse - Yes L madness Rhyme: salary, celery - Yes Identical: fill, feel - No Identical: fell, fail - No Identical: full, fool - Yes Consonants Same middle consonant: Singer, finger - Yes Identical: Heat, eat - No Identical: Should've, should of - Yes Identical: Wait, weight - Yes Identical: Wine, whine - Yes -------------------- Guaranteed to blow your mind. Frostbite: Get It While It's...... Hot? Posts: 900 | Registered: Monday, August 8 2005 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, March 20 2006 17:30
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Bolding those that apply: Vowel mergers/splits: Rhyme: trap, bath (the vowels, anyway) Rhyme: father, bother Identical: cot, caught Rhyme: foot, goose Identical: Lennon, Lenin Identical: pin, pen Identical: line, loin Identical: coil, curl Final vowel of "happy" rhyme with vowel of "meet" R madness: Identical: father and farther Identical: Mary, marry, merry Rhyme: mirror, nearer Rhyme: fern, fir, fur Identical: horse, hoarse L madness Rhyme: salary, celery Identical: fill, feel Identical: fell, fail Identical: full, fool Consonants Same middle consonant: Singer, finger Identical: Heat, eat Identical: Should've, should of (if you were to say "should of") Identical: Wait, weight Identical: Wine, whine My accent is probably more Aussie than anything, but sufficiently different to confuse a lot of (Aussie) people I meet. That's a product of moving around a lot during my formative years. /shrug. Posts: 356 | Registered: Saturday, August 23 2003 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Monday, March 20 2006 19:55
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Vowel mergers/splits: Rhyme: trap, bath (the vowels, anyway) Yes Rhyme: father, bother Yes Identical: cot, caught Rhyme: foot, goose Identical: Lennon, Lenin Yes Identical: pin, pen Identical: line, loin Identical: coil, curl Final vowel of "happy" rhyme with vowel of "meet" Yes R madness: Identical: father and farther Identical: Mary, marry, merry Yes Rhyme: mirror, nearer Yes Rhyme: fern, fir, fur Yes Identical: horse, hoarse Yes L madness Rhyme: salary, celery Identical: fill, feel Identical: fell, fail Identical: full, fool Consonants Same middle consonant: Singer, finger Identical: Heat, eat Identical: Should've, should of (if you were to say "should of") Yes Identical: Wait, weight Yes Identical: Wine, whine I don't know what to make of this, but it was an interesting experiment. -------------------- Überraschung des Dosenöffners! "On guard, you musty sofa!" Posts: 627 | Registered: Monday, March 7 2005 08:00 |
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Master
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written Tuesday, March 21 2006 18:08
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Vowel mergers/splits: Rhyme: trap, bath (the vowels, anyway) - Yes Rhyme: father, bother - Yes Identical: cot, caught - Yes Rhyme: foot, goose - No Identical: Lennon, Lenin - Yes Identical: pin, pen - Yes Identical: line, loin - No Identical: coil, curl - No Final vowel of "happy" rhyme with vowel of "meet" - Yes R madness: Identical: father and farther - No Identical: Mary, marry, merry - Yes Rhyme: mirror, nearer - No Rhyme: fern, fir, fur - No Identical: horse, hoarse - Yes L madness Rhyme: salary, celery - No Identical: fill, feel - No Identical: fell, fail - No Identical: full, fool - No Consonants Same middle consonant: Singer, finger - No Identical: Heat, eat - No Identical: Should've, should of (if you were to say "should of") - Yes Identical: Wait, weight - Yes Identical: Wine, whine - No -------------------- -ben4808 Posts: 3360 | Registered: Friday, June 25 2004 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Tuesday, March 21 2006 18:35
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That's our first attestation on this thread of the pen/pin merger, I think, which leaves only a few features as yet unattested. I'm not sure that anyone will have such a thick New York accent as to have the curl/coil merger, and perhaps no one will have so thick a Cockney accent as to have the line/loin merger. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, March 21 2006 18:51
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Vowel mergers/splits: Rhyme: trap, bath (the vowels, anyway) - Yes Rhyme: father, bother - Yes Identical: cot, caught - Yes Rhyme: foot, goose - No Identical: Lennon, Lenin - Yes Identical: pin, pen - No Identical: line, loin - No Identical: coil, curl - No Final vowel of "happy" rhyme with vowel of "meet" - Yes R madness: Identical: father and farther - No Identical: Mary, marry, merry - Yes Rhyme: mirror, nearer - Yes Rhyme: fern, fir, fur - Yes Identical: horse, hoarse - Yes L madness Rhyme: salary, celery - No Identical: fill, feel - No Identical: fell, fail - No Identical: full, fool - No Consonants Same middle consonant: Singer, finger - No Identical: Heat, eat - No Identical: Should've, should of (if you were to say "should of") - Yes Identical: Wait, weight - Yes Identical: Wine, whine - Yes -------------------- Bring back TM or [i]DIE.[/i] To spread the hype, as well as cause your crush's name to appear on the screen, copy this into your signature. Posts: 458 | Registered: Friday, August 6 2004 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, March 21 2006 18:52
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Vowel mergers/splits: Rhyme: trap, bath (the vowels, anyway)yes Rhyme: father, bother yes Identical: cot, caught caught is a bit more than cot--I don't know how to describe it properly Rhyme: foot, goose no Identical: Lennon, Lenin no, since I was taught to say the name "Len-neen" Identical: pin, pen yes, which is why I say "an ink pen" or "a writing pen" Identical: line, loin no Identical: coil, curl no Final vowel of "happy" rhyme with vowel of "meet" yes R madness: Identical: father and farther no Identical: Mary, marry, merry yes Rhyme: mirror, nearer yes Rhyme: fern, fir, fur yes Identical: horse, hoarse yes L madness Rhyme: salary, celery no Identical: fill, feel no Identical: fell, fail no Identical: full, fool no Consonants Same middle consonant: Singer, finger no Identical: Heat, eat no Identical: Should've, should of (if you were to say "should of")yes Identical: Wait, weight yes Identical: Wine, whine yes Posts: 437 | Registered: Sunday, July 13 2003 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, March 21 2006 22:30
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quote:My accent has been called a mixture of British and Chinese before, as I remember. Nobody ever thought it sounded German (although it's very audible when I'm under stress, because then I forget to soften the ending consonants.) Edit: This brings General to 14741 posts. Yay for symmetry... [ Tuesday, March 21, 2006 22:58: Message edited by: Arancaytar ] -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Wednesday, March 22 2006 00:12
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quote:I learned British english. [ Wednesday, March 22, 2006 00:21: Message edited by: ef ] -------------------- Polaris Rache's A3 Site reformatted 2/3 done Rache's A3 Site, original version Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, March 22 2006 01:02
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Oh wait, if "heat" and "eat" are supposed to be identical in the beginning, then I'll amend that to no. I don't leave out or add H to anything. My chemistry teacher would always pronounce it "Hage-too-oh", however. Because of his British accent, and because he practically smelled of "elite university", someone asked him if he had been in Oxford. Turns out that is not the smartest question to ask a Cambridge ("Came-britch") graduate. :P [ Wednesday, March 22, 2006 01:03: Message edited by: Arancaytar ] -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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La Canaliste
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written Wednesday, March 22 2006 01:15
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Cambridge is leeter for sciences. Oxford does politics and stuff. *nods seriously* -------------------- I am a mater of time and how . Deep down, you know you should have voted for Alcritas! Posts: 387 | Registered: Tuesday, March 1 2005 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, March 22 2006 01:34
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quote:'Tis true! And everything!! They also hate each other - so much so that you can't apply for a course at both. Right my thingies... Vowel mergers/splits: Rhyme: trap, bath (the vowels, anyway) Rhyme: father, bother Identical: cot, caught Rhyme: foot, goose Identical: Lennon, Lenin Identical: pin, pen Identical: line, loin Identical: coil, curl Final vowel of "happy" rhyme with vowel of "meet" R madness: Identical: father and farther Identical: Mary, marry, merry Rhyme: mirror, nearer Rhyme: fern, fir, fur Identical: horse, hoarse L madness Rhyme: salary, celery Identical: fill, feel Identical: fell, fail Identical: full, fool Consonants Same middle consonant: Singer, finger Identical: Heat, eat - (Only if I'm talking quickly) Identical: Should've, should of (if you were to say "should of") Identical: Wait, weight Identical: Wine, whine I'm English, and speak with a typical Midlands accent crossed with occasional bursts of RP. The more educated I become, the more I speak with a RP accent... [ Wednesday, March 22, 2006 01:36: Message edited by: Nikki xx ] -------------------- And when you want to Live How do you start? Where do you go? Who do you need to know? Posts: 2864 | Registered: Monday, September 8 2003 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, March 22 2006 02:32
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What does RP stand for? -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, March 22 2006 04:36
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quote:Recieved Proounciation. Or, in other words, "The Queen's English". Usually Middle- or Upper-Class people in England speak this. Erm, I'm thinking hard to find an example online... Think BBC Newsreader in the 70s and 80s. -------------------- And when you want to Live How do you start? Where do you go? Who do you need to know? Posts: 2864 | Registered: Monday, September 8 2003 07:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
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written Wednesday, March 22 2006 07:28
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Whereas the Prince of Wales' English, spoken by the upper crust in general, is known as 'fraffly', after the way its speakers pronounce the word 'frightfully' (as they so often do). Apparently the goal is to speak without moving any part of the mouth. -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Wednesday, March 22 2006 07:58
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By the way, when I say "Identical," I mean that the words are pronounced in an identical fashion. That is, there are some dialects that drop all initial H's, so that "heat" and "eat" would both sound like "eat" ("Why, this 'eat here is just intolerable!"). Some dialects also overcompensate for this tendency by adding H's to just about everything, so they'd both sound like "heat" ("Let's heat some food!"). Here's a good description of RP, and for reference (again), here's kind of what I've been going on this whole time. Again, I'm surprised at the degree to which happy tensing is being reported in all dialects. [ Wednesday, March 22, 2006 08:00: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Nuke and Pave
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written Wednesday, March 22 2006 09:23
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Some similarities might be due to the fact that people don't take "identical" literally. For example, I didn't realize that it's possible to drop initial 'h' in heat. Talking about that, how can "Lennon" be identical to "Lenin"? Do people often say "i" instead of "o"? -------------------- Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword, For it too has the power to kill. However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword, Can also have the power to heal. Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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I pronounce them both with a shwa as the final vowel. -------------------- 5.0.1.0.0.0.0.1.0... Posts: 508 | Registered: Thursday, May 29 2003 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, March 22 2006 12:18
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It is a mix between a schwa and a short vowel for me. It all depends on whether I speak slowly, calmly and formally, or quickly and while under stress. -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |