What's your dialect?
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Off With Their Heads
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written Wednesday, March 22 2006 13:42
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Yes, this is the problem when heavy stress induces vowel mutation, as any Russian should understand. :-p I personally maintain an unstressed short I, but some mutate it into a schwa. Just about everybody (at least among Americans — not sure about elsewhere) mutates an unstressed O into a schwa. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Nuke and Pave
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written Wednesday, March 22 2006 14:15
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Is "schwa" a short silence? So you basically drop some unstressed vovels? As for mutations, in Russian there are certain sound pairs that get mutated to one or the other depending on the dialect. For example, o/a pair. (Moskva vs. Maskva) (I mean "a" as in "cup".) A curious side effect is that it's impossible for me to pronounce "o" without either turning it into "a" or putting stress on it. However, there are no dropped vovels, so I assumed that Lennon/Lenin thing was an o/i mutation in English. [ Wednesday, March 22, 2006 14:19: Message edited by: Zeviz ] -------------------- Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword, For it too has the power to kill. However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword, Can also have the power to heal. Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Wednesday, March 22 2006 14:21
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quote:Schwa. I am told that it's like the Russian unstressed O or A (other than in the syllable preceding the stressed syllable). Interestingly, the word-final R-schwa-R combination is getting shortened to just an R in some dialects, resulting in the word "mirror" being indistinguishable from the word "mere." But that's an exceptional case. [ Wednesday, March 22, 2006 14:24: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Councilor
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written Wednesday, March 22 2006 15:00
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Originally Kelandon: quote:Sometimes. I tend to slur or drop syllables/sounds when speaking quickly. Dikiyoba. [ Wednesday, March 22, 2006 15:04: Message edited by: Dikiyoba ] Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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written Thursday, March 23 2006 06:49
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Vowel mergers/splits: Yes Rhyme: trap, bath (the vowels, anyway) Rhyme: father, bother Yes Identical: cot, caught Rhyme: foot, goose Identical: Lennon, Lenin Identical: pin, pen Identical: line, loin Identical: coil, curl Yes Final vowel of "happy" rhyme with vowel of "meet" R madness: Identical: father and farther Yes Identical: Mary, marry, merry Rhyme: mirror, nearer Rhyme: fern, fir, fur Yes Identical: horse, hoarse L madness Rhyme: salary, celery Identical: fill, feel Identical: fell, fail Identical: full, fool Consonants Same middle consonant: Singer, finger Identical: Heat, eat Identical: Should've, should of (if you were to say "should of") Yes Identical: Wait, weight Yes Identical: Wine, whine Kel, have you been compiling any statistics on this? Interesting to note that variations in pronunciation are acceptable but variations in text are less so. Read an intersting comment by ? (name eludes me - a former professional basketball coach), who considered it a shame that America teaches one standardized shot rather than taking an athlete and ensuring that the shot is consistent (even if it includes idiosycracies). He thought it took away from the attractiveness of the game. For me, speech is oral communication and tone, pronunciation etc all add to the beauty of it. Written word, being a less direct form of communication, needs more formality to ensure precision of communication? I also note that spelling variations are more acceptable than grammar (graemlins/gremlins). Comments anyone? -------------------- "Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things." "You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares." Posts: 687 | Registered: Wednesday, January 19 2005 08:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Thursday, March 23 2006 07:59
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Variations in grammar are incessant. Do you think you might ever say, "I was planning on going to the movies," rather than, "I was planning to go to the movies"? If so, you'd use an alternate (formally wrong) construction. The basic grammatical rules (agreement, tense, etc.) aren't allowed to change much because they're so fundamental to the structure of the language. But constructions — the grammar of each word — vary as much as the spelling of each foreign borrowing. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |