Blades of Avernum - 8.66 (10.0/7.0)
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, March 10 2006 17:39
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On reconsideration... More new scenarios have been coming out, and it looks like BoA may be on it's way to producing some really good scenarios in the future. It's not there yet, but it just may be. It's true that I prefer the Exile engine, and I prefer BoE, and I don't see that changing. But BoA may still be good too in the future. IMO, most of the scenarios still aren't that great, but it still has a few good ones. The engine is a bit clunky, IMO as well. Small deduction for taking the 'holidays' away, I was a little disappointed with that. It could reach being good, but it's not there yet. I'll change my rating to a 7.5. [ Monday, February 19, 2007 09:38: Message edited by: BainIhrno ] -------------------- "Let us see what the new day brings." - Temas, Areni. Visit my realm! Rate My Scenarios! Fort Emerald Robbery The Nephils' Defense The Final Spire The Fifth Tower of Magi The Portal Posts: 626 | Registered: Monday, October 25 2004 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Friday, March 10 2006 17:40
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maybe your scenarios were poor! no i'm just kidding, your scenarios are actually some of the best ones i personally think. -------------------- join me! we shall harness the power of geckos, bunnys, and fluffy pink stuffed animals and rule the world!!! Posts: 193 | Registered: Wednesday, December 14 2005 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, March 10 2006 17:45
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Whose scenarios? If you mean mine, I didn't make any for BoA, and I never will. Well, if you've played my BoE scens, then.....well, that's a different story. [ Friday, March 10, 2006 17:46: Message edited by: BainIhrno ] -------------------- "Let us see what the new day brings." - Temas, Areni. Visit my realm! Rate My Scenarios! Fort Emerald Robbery The Nephils' Defense The Final Spire The Fifth Tower of Magi The Portal Posts: 626 | Registered: Monday, October 25 2004 07:00 |
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E Equals MC What!!!!
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written Friday, March 10 2006 17:46
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Bad Bain. Bad. -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, March 10 2006 18:16
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Ahh, but your poll doesn't have......NUMERICAL SCORES!!! :P -------------------- "Let us see what the new day brings." - Temas, Areni. Visit my realm! Rate My Scenarios! Fort Emerald Robbery The Nephils' Defense The Final Spire The Fifth Tower of Magi The Portal Posts: 626 | Registered: Monday, October 25 2004 07:00 |
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Too Sexy for my Title
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written Friday, March 10 2006 18:24
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That's a great comeback Bain Posts: 1035 | Registered: Friday, April 1 2005 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Saturday, March 11 2006 13:20
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By BainIhrno: quote:Scenarios aren't that good? They're just ports of the BoE scenarios, except for DwtD. If you mean the third-party scenarios, remember, the first batch of BoE third-party scenarios probably weren't too hot either. -------------------- Consult the Book of Armaments! - Quest for the Holy Grail Posts: 1509 | Registered: Tuesday, January 10 2006 08:00 |
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E Equals MC What!!!!
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written Saturday, March 11 2006 18:42
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It's what, two years since BoA came out? We don't have a Doom Moon II, Of Good And Evil, Election, Tatterdemalion, Farmhands!!, Forsaken, or Redemption yet. (translation: On average, the early BoE scenarios are in fact much better.) -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Saturday, March 11 2006 19:52
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Seven posts and no ratings but my own. Tragic. :P -------------------- "Let us see what the new day brings." - Temas, Areni. Visit my realm! Rate My Scenarios! Fort Emerald Robbery The Nephils' Defense The Final Spire The Fifth Tower of Magi The Portal Posts: 626 | Registered: Monday, October 25 2004 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Sunday, March 12 2006 03:26
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I agree mostly with Bain. The atmosphere of BoA and Avernum in general is somewhat counterproductive. BoE just feels better and the stories feel more enriching and engrossing in that medium. Call me irrational or whatever, but that's how I feel. 7.2 -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Sunday, March 12 2006 03:36
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quote:That was me. I don't think I can rate BoA right now. I think we just haven't seen enough of its potential yet. Anyway, I won't rate it, but I can say that I really enjoyed playing the pre-made scenarios, even the Za-Khazi Run. I enjoyed the thirs-party scenarios even more, but I do agree that we haven't had a true masterpiece yet. I don't really think BoA is dying, so we should get one at some point. All we have to do is make scenarios (don't expect me to start making one before at least three months, I have lots of problem with my computer right now), and be patient. Very patient. ;) Posts: 363 | Registered: Wednesday, February 22 2006 08:00 |
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The Establishment
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written Monday, March 13 2006 11:08
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Powerful, but big and clunky. At least with BoE, anyone could make a scenario. With BoA, this is much more difficult. I doubt it will ever go anywhere for these reasons. 7.0 -------------------- Your flower power is no match for my glower power! Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Monday, March 13 2006 13:13
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My first spiderweb game was Nethergate, and it was good, but by the time I had played through it I thought, 'wouldn't it be great to be able to make this yourself?' I enjoy tinkering with the game far more than actually playing premade scenarios. When I found out about BoE I spent many hours just creating towns and walking about them. The reason BoA is superior is simply because there is FAR more to tinker with, giving it a huge replay value. For those who aren't dedicated, it can be frustrating, but for those who are it is hugely rewarding. It has it's limitations, but overall it deserves a solid 8.5. -------------------- "Build a man a fire, and he´ll be warm for a day; set a man on fire, and he´ll be warm for the rest of his life." Posts: 65 | Registered: Thursday, March 2 2006 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, February 16 2007 09:35
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*cannonball bump* Let's see if perceptions changed and what people say about it now. -------------------- "Let us see what the new day brings." - Temas, Areni. Visit my realm! Rate My Scenarios! Fort Emerald Robbery The Nephils' Defense The Final Spire The Fifth Tower of Magi The Portal Posts: 626 | Registered: Monday, October 25 2004 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, February 16 2007 09:36
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8.9. Because I can. -------------------- I tried to think of something witty to put here. Needless to say, I failed. Posts: 2686 | Registered: Friday, September 8 2006 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, February 16 2007 09:51
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7.3 I didn't like the game very much, or the atmosphere. Posts: 626 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, February 16 2007 10:10
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You didn't like the engine? BoA has no atmosphere beyond whatever is present in each scenario. Judging it by VoDT, or even all Jeff's scenarios, in unfair and unkind. —Alorael, who still doesn't want to rate BoA. It should be a 10, maybe a 9.5 for engine bugs, but it's just not easy enough to work with and consequently too short on scenarios. And he still is opposed to rating by engine. In conclusion, no rating. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Friday, February 16 2007 10:22
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Alorael, you took the words right out of my _ and _. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, February 16 2007 10:30
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Who are you talking to? Nobody here stated that their rating only included Jeff's scenarios. Third-party scenarios were taken into account into my rating, at least. -------------------- "Let us see what the new day brings." - Temas, Areni. Visit my realm! Rate My Scenarios! Fort Emerald Robbery The Nephils' Defense The Final Spire The Fifth Tower of Magi The Portal Posts: 626 | Registered: Monday, October 25 2004 07:00 |
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Councilor
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written Friday, February 16 2007 10:40
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Let's see... I have not played BoE, so I will make no comparisons between the two. :P The BoA editor can do a lot but it's fairly difficult (for me, at least) to work with. I miss level 3 haste acting on everyone (as a preset spell) but I have no real complaints with the engine. There are still some irredeemablely awful scenarios but by now they are outnumbered by the good and really good ones and it seems that many more good scenarios will be released in the future. Dikiyoba gives it an 9. Edit: Bolded score. And raised it. [ Friday, February 16, 2007 13:29: Message edited by: The Dikiyora ] Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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written Friday, February 16 2007 10:49
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C sharp, but some parts middle C. Works best when accessorized, but still needs a lot of support from the pit. I'll give a average rating of ... slightly better than a sharp stick in the eye. -------------------- quote: Posts: 4114 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, February 16 2007 12:16
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It may be true that there are too few scenarios, but even half of the good user scenarios now available would make this one as big as one of the Avernum series. Hell, TM's and Kel's works alone make it worth the price. 10.0. I feel that we can't score this with the average of all scenarios, but the score has to accumulate somehow - paying the same price for 10 good scenarios is better than 5. And since several scenarios are ranked with scores above 8 or even 9, I see no way this could be anything but a perfect ten. [ Friday, February 16, 2007 12:20: Message edited by: The Sorcerer ] -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, February 16 2007 13:13
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I was countering Kyrek's cryptic comments. —Alorael, who chooses complete... alliteration. That last part just didn't work no matter how he tried to work it. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, February 16 2007 18:13
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Yeah, I can't believe I never posted in this. 10.0... for mostly the same reasons as Aran. BoA has basically infinite possibilities, and while some work has scraped the bottom of the barrel, a lot of what's out is excellent. Also, the next crop of scenarios looks to be excellent. -------------------- Gamble with Gaea, and she eats your dice. I hate undead. I really, really, really, really hate undead. With a passion. Posts: 4130 | Registered: Friday, March 26 2004 08:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Friday, February 16 2007 18:24
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The engine is far more powerful, but still has some bugs that are never going to get adressed which is frustrating. More difficult to use, but there still seem to be a fair crop of people who know how to work the editor. We'll never see the sheer number of scenarios as in BoE, but we're starting to see just how far one can push the engine. Maybe, just maybe, this generation of designers will finally come into its own. -9.5- -------------------- Guaranteed to blow your mind. Frostbite: Get It While It's...... Hot? Posts: 900 | Registered: Monday, August 8 2005 07:00 |
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