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written Monday, February 20 2006 18:48
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quote:Good. The difference between science and religion is that scientists don't want you to believe them. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Monday, February 20 2006 18:50
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*points to Ash's signature* -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Monday, February 20 2006 18:53
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PoD - If spirituality doesn't translate into action and the concrete, into viable effects, then it's not serving much purpose, is it? Thuryl – You didn't really mean to sound that naive just then, did you? Doctors and scientists are the new high priests of the latest dominant religion of the west where Knowledge is god. Talk to the average person and see how trustingly and worshipfully they regard and obey both. And many suffer at their hands just as surely as many suffered for blindly following doctrines, churches, pastors, and popes. All mean well. Few would ever really believe they aren't doing something great and worthwhile. The same human foibles that have preyed upon religion are just as equally present in any other institution of man. All people are religious about something, in the broadest sense of the word. It's what we do. [ Monday, February 20, 2006 18:58: Message edited by: Synergy ] -------------------- A4 Item Locations A4 Singleton G4 Items List G4 Forging List The Insidious Infiltrator Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Monday, February 20 2006 18:59
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To be honest, Synergy, the main reason I get more annoyed at you than at TM is because I expect better from you. TM is a jackass. He doesn't give a crap what other people think. This is both a wonderful, and an unfortunate quality. If I tell TM that he's coming across as a stubborn jackass, he'll say "Duh." If I tell you that you're coming across as pretentious and hard to relate to, I had thought you'd be more interested. You obviously care about being able to relate to other people, and being able to communicate with them is an integral part of that. I'll stop doing that, though, and restrict my commentary to the subject matter itself. EDIT: quote:I'm confused. Is this supposed to be an argument in favor of religion? Because it sounds like you're slamming it... [ Monday, February 20, 2006 19:03: Message edited by: Slartucker ] -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Monday, February 20 2006 19:24
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quote:I get it, now! Condoms are totally useless. If you just eliminate your negative emotions, you won't get AIDS or syphilis. Awesome! Watch out, there, Slartucker. If Synergy's right, you could catch ebola from those upset feelings of yours. [ Monday, February 20, 2006 19:26: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, February 20 2006 19:36
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quote:Doctors aren't scientists. Really; they're not. The good ones try to keep up to date with modern medical knowledge, but often they're too busy to do so. Believe me, biologists sigh and shake their heads at all sorts of crazy things that some doctors do routinely. Likewise, 90% of people that you see in the news giving out medical advice to the public are journalists or PR people trying to interpret the results of a scientific study, not scientists themselves. Really, if you want to know what the practice of science is actually like, get a degree in one of the sciences and start reading peer-reviewed academic journals. Popular science magazines and science pages in newspapers are a poor substitute at best. And if the average person blindly trusts anything which somebody claims that a scientist has said, then that's a problem with the average person, because scientists don't trust each other one bit (or at least, they shouldn't if they're doing their job properly). [ Monday, February 20, 2006 19:45: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Minor disagreement: some doctors are scientists. There's the whole "bench to bedside" theory of somehow being able to do everything for a patient, but there are also people with MDs who pursue science rather than specific treatments. You just don't need an MD to be a scientist I'd say the difference between medical science and other theories of disease, wellness, and so on is that the scientists have been able to study and find evidence for their beliefs. Doctors don't think of viruses as mystical miasmas of unhealth, they think of them as complex protein systems. There is now understanding of how they do what they do and what that does to us. No, it's not complete understanding, but it's better than other theories. Believing otherwise is a rejection of science as a basis for understanding the world. Quite simply, if you come into contact with a pathogen in the right way for that pathogen, you will contract a disease. Your body may fight it off immediately, or slowly, or not at all. What happens is a field of study in its own right, but it is not mystical. —Alorael, who trusts medicine (but not always individual doctors, or even doctors as a group) because it advances its own understanding and because it is not closed to other understandings as long as they produce verifiable hypotheses. It just so happens that many of the hypotheses stubbornly fail to verify. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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quote:Well, yeah. I know there are doctors who do research (although even those tend to specialise in one particular disease). I should have said that most doctors aren't. The bottom line is that you still shouldn't expect your GP to have published a paper on whatever malady you come in to see him about. [ Monday, February 20, 2006 19:52: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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All right Slartucker. You’ve been playing the big brother to me all week. Let me play big brother to you for a moment. When you preface what you say with, “To be honest,” it sounds like you are saying that at any other time, you may not be being honest, and that would be unfortunate. If we really are honest and genuine people, we don’t have to qualify anything we say with the statement that now we are being honest. I sensed you were deeply disappointed in me Slarty. Thanks for the vote of faith of sorts, I guess, and I am sorry to have been a disappointment. I disappoint me all too often too. I won’t try to curtail what you really want to comment on. It’s all fair game. You were sounding more and more pissed off rather than supportive, and that’s the last thing that’s going to help me in the moment. It may help me tomorrow as I reflect on it. I listen to everything personal anyone says to me, more than you know. I take a lot of it to heart. Even if I don’t think in the moment that I am being conceited or unclear, if I am getting that feedback repeatedly, well, duh, somehow I am, even if a the same time I feel myself to be motivated by something more noble. Clearly, I'm in defense mode. I'm the first to get annoyed about how overwrought I get about things that simply aren't very important or very worthwhile. It's colossally stupid by my own estimation. I'm wasting a lot of frustrated energy here with the sort of people I don't normally select to discuss spirituality or philosophy with in the first place. I'm just setting myself up, I know it, but I'm hungry for communication and dialogue, and don't have much of it in my immediate environment right now. SW’s familiar. We’re creatures of habit. I need three things to settle down at this point in my life: secure an internship which I am very worried about at present; figure out how I am going to work, do an internship, and finish school all at once—which I am exceedingly worried about; and find my mate in life, which has been a very frustrating quest for me as that which I desire most and find most elusive. I am watching myself unravel, and I know exactly why. No one need point out how it makes me all the more unattractive. To commit the unpardonable sin as an adult American male, I will openly betray that I am lonely and scared right now because of these things. It’s a crisis point which I full well expect to survive and flourish all the more coming out the other side, but right now its perilous, and it doesn’t much feel like it. ... Kel, why you gotta make my points all black and white like that? I use words like “primarily” and you rephrase me in absolute, boolean on/off terms. That doesn’t seem like logical or helpful criticism to me, so I can only conclude your intent is to be derisive. -------------------- A4 Item Locations A4 Singleton G4 Items List G4 Forging List The Insidious Infiltrator Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00 |
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quote:I don't have to rephrase you to put your ideas in absolute terms. quote:"Disease is the result of." Not "Sometimes disease is exacerbated by," or "Some diseases are linked with," or "We'd mostly be healthier on a day to day basis if we paid more attention to," but "Disease is the result of." Look, I'm one of the last people just to pop a pill when I feel sick, but I just can't agree with what you've said here. You're making wild generalizations about things that you don't know as much about as you think you do. You need to take a step back and re-assess what you actually know, and make sure that you say what you mean. [ Monday, February 20, 2006 20:36: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, February 20 2006 20:49
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I did say exactly what I do mean, and said nothing at all about what that means we should or shouldn't do right now as a result. I stand by the opinion that disease is the result of the things I stated ultimately. The virus is an intermediate agent we have some ability to control or avoid. It itself is not The Cause. Our body's state of imbalance invites disease. And as I suggested elsewhere, in an environment where our bodies are prone to toxins and stress, the cold virus is our friend. Even "evil" things serve "good" purposes in the right context. But I'd rather just work toward being well enough to not need to get colds. When I do, I don't. I spoke of the ideal attainable "perfect" health which I see as possible in the ultimate, not immediate sense.The reason it is relevant to this thread is because ultimately I believe that health comes through the kind of symbiotic relationship and well-being that exists only in spiritual health and connection. Because I operate on the belief in God and that nothing began as a corrupt or diseased thing, something changed. We changed. I don't think God got mad and put viruses into the world to which we were susceptible. I see that being susceptible to disease and death comes as a result of man having changed from a perfect, balanced, wholesome state. Right now, none of us can hope to enjoy a return to such a state. Big shifts take a long time to progress. We can each, if we hold a more personally powerful and accountable perspective like this, can do our bit to better our own quality of life and the genes and environment we pass on. So I wouldn't advise anyone to not use a condom or not wash their hands and so forth. And I didn't. But if you live an especially wholesome life, you will have a lot more leeway with what your immune system/body can withstand, endure, and resist. [ Monday, February 20, 2006 20:55: Message edited by: Synergy ] -------------------- A4 Item Locations A4 Singleton G4 Items List G4 Forging List The Insidious Infiltrator Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00 |
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Gentlemen, please. Let's not turn this into anything more personal than it needs to be. EDIT: quote:Apparently, before we did something to spoil ourselves, God really had it out for bacteria - legions of species rely on humans as hosts, and being unable to do anything about that must have really been Hell for them. And I have to be honest with you, 'wholesome' is a fairly ambiguous term. If you had been born in the Trobriand Islands, that would mean not having contact with females any more than is absolutely necessary to reproduce - their menstrual blood being a murderous sap on necessary masculine energy - and supplying teenage boys with semen that they would grow into strong and potent men. And what makes that worldview wrong and yours right is what, exactly? Certainly I doubt you'd find someone who has boys engage in oral sex with him and finds it incumbent to flee into the woods and lacerate his nostrils with reeds after any given attempt to impregnate his wife wholesome. But certainly he wouldn't find someone who has regular genital-genital contact with his wife without particular ceremony or fear, who shares his side of the house with her, and who denies his essence to growing men in dire need of it wholesome, either. (And before you ask, I'm not making any of this up.) Which of those unwholesomes is it that caused us to grow succeptible to disease? My nagging secular instinct is that disease succeptibility is a vital part of life for mammals - without certain bacterial colonizations which are too benign to count as diseases (and yet operate in much the same way) we would be unable to digest many foods or regulate certain processes and would probably die horribly - rather than a consequence of a fairly imprecise and contradictory idea of indecency. And ultimately, if you still earnestly believe that disease succeptibility is a factor of wholesome living, I point you to the Christian Scientists, who have a fairly high mortality rate, especially by curable diseases, compared to the general population. Pefectly wholesome people... who apparently catch infections as well as anyone else, and die of it a lot easier to boot. [ Tuesday, February 21, 2006 02:06: Message edited by: Belisarius ] Posts: 794 | Registered: Tuesday, October 11 2005 07:00 |
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And coming from Alec, that's saying a lot. Posts: 1035 | Registered: Friday, April 1 2005 08:00 |
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quote:I meant to answer this previously. I was slamming religion as institution essentially, but surely all things serve their necessary purpose and evolve or dissolve when they are finished doing so. I think it's a time of transition between 2000 years of Churchianity and a newer revelation and interjection of God into the world. I think Church as it has long been known, may pass away in a manner not dissimilar to what happened to the Jewish temple-based ritual system at the end of the Law Age in 70 A..D. I'm not saying something terrible or sudden has to happen to the system. But I do think it is finally truly ripe to be supplanted in this modern age. There is so much mixture in so many things. There are many perfeclty lovely and wonderful people in churches and there may even be a lovely and wonderful church somewhere, though I haven't been in one I can long stomach. They feel like coffins with no room to stretch or think or question or live. In the Revelation, the promise was that the churches, despite their mixture, would have the anointing of God within them nonetheless. It's been a condescending act of God to permit God to be represented through so much tradition and ritual and unnecessary embellishment to what began as a simple gospel message that was supposed to be good news to all. So, even when I slam the institutions we have built out of something pure and simple, I also have to acknowledge with due respect the important role they have played. I think one of the biggest roles is teaching the world in no uncertain terms the evils and horrors that even the highest truth can unleash when they are dragged down to a baser and unenlightened level. The gospel was about something spiritual internally which was to be liberating and redemptive, but the soon ensuing religifying of the message brought it back under law and externals and literal fires to fear, and so on. I slam Church more than I ought, but I have a special affection for Christians nonetheless. -------------------- A4 Item Locations A4 Singleton G4 Items List G4 Forging List The Insidious Infiltrator Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00 |
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quote:I'm pretty sure that the virus is, in fact, the cause. There are a number of factors that affect the magnitude of the effect, but there cause is going to be a microbe. Put another way, you can contract disease despite all your efforts if you come into contact with a virus or bacteria. In the absence of viruses or bacteria you cannot contract a disease. That's a fairly important and fundamental theory of medicine (and biology). (That also omits genetic disorders, autoimmunity, and so on, but bear with me.) quote:[/b] There are ways to increase or decrease your chances of illness, as we've said many times. You can't reduce those chances to zero, and it's pretty hard to increase them to one. For the record, though, I'd like to see any evidence of the therapeutic effects of the common cold, which as far as I know is just another irritating and not particularly healthy virus. —Alorael, who shouldn't encourage Synergy to squander his few remaining posts on medical debates. He just can't let this topic go, though. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Hmm, well, I'm kind of trying to use them up. I'm not sure how else to word it, because I'm not disagreeing with the more immediate fact of the matter concerning what viruses do. I'm pointing to the thing that causes us to be vulnerable to the thing viruses do to us when we are vulnerable. That seems like one layer closer to bedrock, and the reason I find the focus encouraging is that it puts more power and accountability back into our own hands right where it belongs. I believe in a time when through spiritual regeneration, physical health will also be regenerated to the point of no more sickness, so here is how I best perceive that relates to our present physical realities and limitations. It bothers me that I think many people too wholly embracing the nearly random chance "catch a virus" perspective may be inclined toward a more pessimistic, passive, and helpless view in the face of getting sick, or even in their chances of developing something like cancer, when there is plenty to support that we can be of great effect on what we are going to fall prey to in our lives. Like religion/spirituality, there are alternative perspectives and explanations about health and disease and how best to heal bodies. I'm speaking from a point of view that doesn't accept some of the general premises of allopathic medicine, but that is probably obvious. Colds are a bother, but they can still be seen as a very efficient way for the body to rapidly detoxify itself in certain ways. EDIT: When a's should be e's. [ Tuesday, February 21, 2006 09:01: Message edited by: Synergy ] -------------------- A4 Item Locations A4 Singleton G4 Items List G4 Forging List The Insidious Infiltrator Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00 |
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quote:Accepting the fact that **** happens (sorry, I couldn't see any way around that particular phrase here) hardly requires one to be passive and helpless, let alone pessimistic. Religion may suggest that **** happens for a reason, but it doesn't make that reason clear. For a Christian, medical example, Job comes to mind. quote:"Detoxify" is one of those words that really gets abused these days... some might call it a New Age buzzword ;) Yes, the body has ways of removing poisons from its system, but using such a general term so vaguely is kind of on par with saying "food is often used in metabolic processes." If this statement is actually true, then I have a question: WHAT are the "certain ways" of detoxification that are directly tied to having a cold? -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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It seems to me that it's a pretty strange coincidence that people stopped dying of smallpox shortly after those arrogant scientist-priests who don't really know anything about disease decided that it would be a good idea to go and inject nasty chemicals into everyone. -------------------- Barcoorah: I even did it to a big dorset ram. desperance.net - Don't follow this link Posts: 1798 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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I'd have to pull out old articles once read for the specifics, which I really am not that interested in doing, admittedly. But...when one at least takes the cold's cue to slow down and attend to one's health, the process of slowing down, stopping or reducing eating, etc. allows the body to better deal with whatever is compromising the immune system enough to be prey to the particular cold virus in the first place. Meanwhile, the runny nose is flushing a lot of crud out in the mucous, primarily the dead virus protein material, of course. The lymphatic system is kicked into high gear. Lack of exercise (our calf muscles pump our lymphatics), also contributes to our susceptibility to viruses. Good to keep the lymph system active. When we develop worse things, like the flu, it pretty much forces us to slow down or stop without being able to bury the symptoms with pharmaceuticals as we can more readily with colds. I think I'm done with this topic though. To rephrase Dieter of Sprockets, "My story has become tiresome. Now is the time on Sprockets when we dance." Khoth - Isn't smallpox one of those diseases they recently began to warn us the vaccinations may not much longer work for reliably? There is debated evidence suggesting various childhood immunizations can cause brain damage or other damage. It's a questionable practice with associated risks. I'm not entirely against immunizations...but mostly. [ Tuesday, February 21, 2006 09:46: Message edited by: Synergy ] -------------------- A4 Item Locations A4 Singleton G4 Items List G4 Forging List The Insidious Infiltrator Posts: 2009 | Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00 |
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I really hope you don't have a monkey. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Wow, go to sleep and the whole world wakes up. (Slartucker) quote:I am not debating. I posted to answered two question from my point of view. Everyone can take it as they will. My goal is not to convince anyone of anything. I am just planting seeds. Most seem to be falling on the path. But you never know. Someone out there might be fertile soil. quote:All new ways to translate the Bible are given serious thought by me, for example Synergy's point of view. We... or rather he, had quite a talk about it months ago. I am very proud of him for getting to the point quicker.(though sometimes he reverts a bit) I explored it much, though I didn't change my position. quote:The nature of God will never be adequately understood even after experiencing it. It is too infinate for our finate minds to grasp. (Khoth) quote:Already answered. I do not expect to convince you. God is the only one who can convince you. I am just giving my eyewitness account. BTW, Christianity does not = massive happiness. It equals peace and joy despite any other feeling including extreeme sadness. (Ephesos) quote:If shmif... I was offered the same gift as you. My personal relationship with Jesus is. quote:I was going to spend time posting verses of 'my' God's words for you but then I thought it might be better to explain my intolerance since the secular deffinition has become more radical. Religious Tolerance is respecting all beliefs, faiths and religions. A God given right. Religious intolerance is rejecting what is false and proclaiming what is truth, through non-violence and benevolence, based on truth of empirical fact that is self revealing and evidential to all who listen.(deffinitions not from me but The Thorn) I will tolerate everyones right to believe in what they choose to believe. I will not tolerate the incorporation of false doctrine into my faith. quote:Really, must I answer this again? (I know there are those who would prefer I not) Yes I have considered it, yes I have doubted it, yes I have lived it. And I had a whole lot of fun doing it in between being miserable. There was always something missing, that constant peace and joy. quote:Answered pretty well by Lenar Labs, actually. I believe that in the end there is only one thing that can save you, whether or not you are given a last chance to accept Jesus as your saviour after you have died/seen him, I don't know. I would think it possible and even probable. It's all about your heart attitude and how merciful God decides to be. (Alorael) quote:In reality, I would blame those who taught him how to be a Christian. Christians are Christianity's greatest enemy. By the admission of being 'confirmed', I guess catholic. My husband was confirmed as a catholic as well, five years before he called me a liar when I told him Deuteronomy was a book of the Bible. He also had never had a personal relationship with Jesus and was never told he should seek one. The night after I was frank enough to say 'God's love feels better then an orgasm,' he came back to say 'You were right.' We've had our problems and sinned plenty enough since then, but turning our hearts back towards God never fails to turn our hearts back towards each other as well. (Kel) quote:Leek soup is phyisical and bound to the laws of physics. God is spiritual and not bound by anything but his own holiness. In regards to a God that does not have physical limits, I assure you that it is reasonable to expect just that. As I expected when I told my husband, and as my sister and mother and my pastors and every other born again Christian that has given their testimony to me has professed. Were some of them lying? Maybe. Were they all lying? It's not impossible. But I cannot lie to myself. (Jumpin' Salmon) quote:Having the belief "I know I am right" is more confidence then lack of humility. Lack of humility would be me thinking "I'm better then you because I am right", which I know I am not. I am no better, then the worst terrorist/mass murderer that ever lived. I am no better then the sluttiest harlot. I am no better then the most infamaous theif. In fact I may be worse because I have also been a hypocrit. And yes, by all means, explore every single avenue that ever was. It is much better to be found in the search of something you have never found, then to be found that you have never started the search. (TM) quote:All right then, give it to me! ... *waits* ... I am so dissapointed. :( quote:If you really want to believe, God will kill the brain cells for you. quote:I know. I love you anyway. quote:hmm... Empathy - being able to imagine how someone else feels. Problem is Alo did not say he was feeling what you think I should empathasize with. When he says he 'is', I will. Bitterness - marked by intensity or severity: a : accompanied by severe pain or suffering <a bitter death> b : being relentlessly determined : VEHEMENT <a bitter partisan> c : exhibiting intense animosity <bitter enemies> d (1) : harshly reproachful <bitter complaints> (2) : marked by cynicism and rancor <bitter contempt> e : intensely unpleasant especially in coldness or rawness To be expected. I was trying to emulate your style after all. quote:*snickers* Gah - will I never be rid of my dirty sense of humor... ;) Perhaps tis 'nother vice. quote:I'm still waiting. Come on, I want to be pissed on already. (and you can quote me on that) -------------------- "Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05 "Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley Posts: 1001 | Registered: Tuesday, August 19 2003 07:00 |
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You're awesome, I've always known this but the above post just proves it at such a great length. Posts: 1035 | Registered: Friday, April 1 2005 08:00 |
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Synergy: Smallpox is the one that vaccination completely wiped out apart from a few samples kept in labs. Any concerns about the vaccination not working are more along the lines of "It was so successful that we haven't had to use it for ages, so if some clowns decide that nuclear weapons aren't bad enough and manage to re-release it we don't know for sure whether the vaccine we have will work as there hasn't been a test case for decades" For your second point, I'm not sure why you're so keen to choose the proven danger (Rubella is nasty, especially if you're pregnant) over the 'disputed' (ie repeatedly proven false but that hasn't made them shut up) dangers of vaccination. [ Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:13: Message edited by: Khoth ] -------------------- Barcoorah: I even did it to a big dorset ram. desperance.net - Don't follow this link Posts: 1798 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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*laughs* I disagree with a lot of that, Jewels, but I certainly admire your irreverent spirit. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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No fair, Jewels! TM promised to piss on me first! -------------------- Post #50! Wheeeee!!! Posts: 1509 | Registered: Tuesday, January 10 2006 08:00 |