Swords or Spears?
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, January 9 2006 09:05
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Doesn't the stick have a 4x multiplier, though? -------------------- There are two kinds of game players...those who are newbies, and those who were. Posts: 322 | Registered: Monday, April 12 2004 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Monday, January 9 2006 10:35
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heheh, it applies to all weapons, about 20 dex is what you need to hit any monster that doesn't have an opposed bonus while wearing platemail, a large shield, boots, gauntlets, an iron/steel helm, and various other goodies :P [with that stuff equiped and using an iron weapon, that puts you right at 95%, steel and blessed would put you at 100% and 105% respectively, but it just gets cut down to 95% anyway.] as for weapon damage, weapon skill is the way to go with melee weapons [you'll do insane damage with 20 dex, thats 10-50 extra damage with a crude crossbow] but melee damage is based on str and weapon skill, and while strength give the same bonus as weapon skill, plus the bonus to carry, and to door-bashing; I don't really see the point in bashing doors, and after you max out your carry the extra cost with str isn't worth it anymore [since you don't get the carry bonus along with the damage bonus.] -------------------- If everyone would just forgive someone else, so much pain would be taken off of all of our shoulders... but as tenderness is a virtue it is also a failing, any who would do such a thing usually fall to those who wouldn't. - Ezrah Posts: 50 | Registered: Thursday, April 15 2004 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Monday, January 9 2006 10:51
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I voted swords. They're cooler. But I do give at least one of my characters, usually a Slith, a polearm of sorts. -------------------- And when you want to Live How do you start? Where do you go? Who do you need to know? Posts: 2864 | Registered: Monday, September 8 2003 07:00 |
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Shake Before Using
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written Monday, January 9 2006 11:57
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Enemies all have dexterity, though, so you're going to have some sort of penalty to hit all of them. Granted, it's only really noticable on certain things, like Hill Goblin Assassins in Emerald Mountain or when you're Dread Cursed a lot. Posts: 3234 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Monday, January 9 2006 12:04
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quote:Actually, it's only 5-25 extra damage. Remember, the damage of missile attacks only increases once for every two levels of dexterity you get. And when it's easy enough to get a 95% hit rate against most enemies with only the appropriate weapon skill (which it is, especially if you're blessed), why invest in Dexterity at all? [ Monday, January 09, 2006 12:06: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Councilor
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written Monday, January 9 2006 14:21
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The character with the highest dexterity goes first in combat. It might be worth it to increase dexerity just to go first in combat. Dikiyoba. Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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written Monday, January 9 2006 14:30
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Or just have a reasonably talented mage cast Haste on everyone twice, and they'll be faster than anything they're likely to run into anyway. :P [ Monday, January 09, 2006 14:31: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Monday, January 9 2006 14:38
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quote:Exactly so. For me, the only exception was that weirdo in Emerald Mountain, and he arguably doesn't count. [ Monday, January 09, 2006 14:38: Message edited by: The Piper of Hamlin ] -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Councilor
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written Monday, January 9 2006 14:39
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Unless you are attacked either by surprise or outside. Dexterity isn't a vital skill but it has its uses. Dikiyoba. Edit: Minor rephrasing. [ Monday, January 09, 2006 14:41: Message edited by: Dikiyoba ] Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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written Monday, January 9 2006 14:47
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Outdoors, you can use potions to haste yourself before combat. This may be a bug, but I don't care. And if you're attacked by surprise, well, that's what reloading is for. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Monday, January 9 2006 15:18
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Boo. I prefer spears and pole weapons generally, but mainly because shields are worthless in Exile. Hatching evil plans in secret can be lonely. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Monday, January 9 2006 15:25
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quote:You mean the Goblin Assassin? With +4 to DEX and +4 to GYM? The one that's all but un-whackable without insane blessing (or Malachai's Rapier/Gemiet Ambiere), right? -------------------- * Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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written Monday, January 9 2006 16:04
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Actually, I think he might have meant Lyfan. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Shake Before Using
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written Monday, January 9 2006 16:45
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With Divine Aid, I had like 85% to hit him. :P EDIT: The goblin, not Lyfan. I didn't try to kill Lyfan, as that would be stupid. [ Monday, January 09, 2006 16:45: Message edited by: Imban ] Posts: 3234 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Monday, January 9 2006 17:12
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quote:You're right. A caveat: If you don't see anything wrong with cheating, then he's easy to hit. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Tuesday, January 10 2006 16:17
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quote:Actually, it's only 5-25 extra damage. Remember, the damage of missile attacks only increases once for every two levels of dexterity you get. Its 10-50, the dex bonus on a crude crossbow is 1-5 points per two levels of dex, 20/2 = 10, 10*1= 10, 10*5=50, 10-50, I just got a char up to 20 dex, regularly does +70 damage, you also get a bonus to parry, and a bonus to your dodge skill, basically, it raises your to-hit, your opposed roll [this making you very hard to hit], your parry, and to your ranged damage, this is only a minor bonus, but it also raises your tool use [one for every two points in dex], and I also beleive it gives you a chance to assassinate [I assassinate fairly regularly with 20 dex, though I've not tried to work out a formula for assassination rate based on dex.] -------------------- If everyone would just forgive someone else, so much pain would be taken off of all of our shoulders... but as tenderness is a virtue it is also a failing, any who would do such a thing usually fall to those who wouldn't. - Ezrah Posts: 50 | Registered: Thursday, April 15 2004 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, January 10 2006 16:58
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Whoops. You're right. Investing in the appropriate weapon skill is still better if all you want is to do damage, though. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Shake Before Using
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written Tuesday, January 10 2006 17:05
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It also costs far less points than over-investing in one skill, which I think is probably the main advantage. Posts: 3234 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Tuesday, January 10 2006 20:39
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I go with 20 dex, and 10 str for fighters in BoA 20 dex maxs both your to-hit and your opposed bonus, as well as gives you 28% parry, the 10 strength maxes out your carry limit [600 stones with strong back], after that the price does get a little too much for the additional benifits that dexerity brings, and you'll be hitting most stuff anyway. -------------------- If everyone would just forgive someone else, so much pain would be taken off of all of our shoulders... but as tenderness is a virtue it is also a failing, any who would do such a thing usually fall to those who wouldn't. - Ezrah Posts: 50 | Registered: Thursday, April 15 2004 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, January 10 2006 21:59
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quote:Divine Aid is cheating? And yes, I meant Lyfan. I really appreciate TM's sense of humor. :rolleyes: I've never entered a cave or peeked aroud a corner without saving first ever since. -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, January 10 2006 23:14
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The readme does warn you about L-dawg, you know. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Wednesday, January 11 2006 09:50
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I always like it when they have leaf bladed spears or naginata but that is my preference-- poke and slash. The assegai or short leaf bladed spear and celtic leaf bladed spears were more effective than the pure stabbing spear. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, January 11 2006 11:33
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quote:Yes, it taught me never to play without reading those, too. On the whole, a very educating experience. o_O -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Wednesday, January 11 2006 16:56
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Pole weapons. They're awesome. -------------------- You can take my Windows XP when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 394 | Registered: Saturday, November 20 2004 08:00 |
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Master
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written Wednesday, January 11 2006 19:45
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