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AuthorTopic: Swords or Spears?
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So, i was playing Avernum a little while ago, and started wondering: how many people use Melee and how many use Pole weapons in the games? I also wonder fi the answer is connected with a person's personality.

[Thuryl's EDIT: Fixed spelling in topic title. It was itching my eyes.]

[ Thursday, January 05, 2006 20:13: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Neither. Grappling for the win! :D

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It may be beneficial to have only one fighter on and Avernum 4-person party. On my Exile 6-PC party, I have one of both. If I had to choose between the two, it would be melee weapons because most are 1-handed, they're cheaper, and they're easier to find.

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I prefer swords. Spears always struck me as being rather meh. I'd rather hack an arm off than stab them in the abdomen. Seems more, I don't know, expressive somehow.
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Exile series: Usually two edged fighters and one polearm fighter. And I give at least one character a few points in bashing weapons, because hey, why not.

Nethergate: Spears for spellcasters (who can't afford to be encumbered with shields anyway, and occasionally benefit from being able to get a few good hits in), mostly swords for fighters. (Although my Roman party does have one spearman as well as two swordsmen, just because.)

BoA: Swords. Scenario designers have an unfortunate tendency to make powerful swords and neglect polearms.

A4: Swords.

[ Thursday, January 05, 2006 18:06: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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BoE: With +50 weapons, weapon skill doesn't matter.

BoA: One polearm-user (good pole weapons certainly exist, but artifact pole weapons are few and far between) and one sword-user (artifact swords are a dime a dozen).
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Wouldn't this belong in a game forum?

Anyway, I prefer swords for the humans, and poles for the Sliths. For the Nephilim, they get bows, and a sword.

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It's not a poll about any specific game, so General is fine.

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In Avernum, I tend to have three characters with swords and one (a slith) with a spear. In Nethergate, it's much more balanced.

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quote:
Originally written by Thuryl:

BoA: Swords. Terror's Martyr has an unfortunate tendency to make powerful swords and neglect polearms.
EDIT: It's also true that the best one-handed sword is better than the best two-handed pole weapon.

[ Thursday, January 05, 2006 20:27: Message edited by: Akai Hoshi ]

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... There was a post here but I deleted it as it was stoopid.

Move on.

[ Thursday, January 05, 2006 20:30: Message edited by: Inthrall ]

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Exiles of all sorts: swords, spears, and maces. Since I use three fighters, I can maintain this happy balance. Unfortunately, maces have a distinct tendency to be worthless, but the other two both have their moments.

Avernum trilogy and BoA: Swords and spears. They're both useful at the right times. Besides, you don't need oodles of artifact weapons. You only need one, and there are enough good spears floating around that that one can be found. Or made for yourself, if you're in the mood.

A4: Both again, although I'm less convinced than others that spears are equal to swords.

—Alorael, who would go with swords if he had to pick just one. Shields are an advantage, and nice swords practically leap into your hands. Spears with additional poking power have to be dredged up from the deepest pits of not fun caverns.
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"If Alorael and not Alorael..." is a tautology.
Anyway, in BoA, swords are superior.
In Exile, swords and spears are superior.

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quote:
Originally written by Akai Hoshi:

"If Alorael and not Alorael..." is a tautology.
No, it isn't. "Alorael or not Alorael" would be a tautology. "Alorael and not Alorael" is a contradiction.

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In Exile, swords and spears are superior.
If you want to dual-wield, two flails are almost as good as two waveblades, and much cheaper and easier to find.

(Besides, in Exile, spears suck. Halberds are superior. :P )

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"No, it isn't. "Alorael or not Alorael" would be a tautology. "Alorael and not Alorael" is a contradiction."
Half correct. A•~A is a contradiction, but a contradiction as an antecedent guarantees a true conclusion. Alorael's moniker is (A•~A)>x, which is a tautology.

"If you want to dual-wield, two flails are almost as good as two waveblades, and much cheaper and easier to find."
Okay, point. But not in Blades of Exile.

quote:
(Besides, in Exile, spears suck. Fasces are superior. :P )
FYT.

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If A and not-A are both true, then any following proposition is also true. In that sense I suppose my current name is the left side of a tautology of sorts, because whatever follows the ellipsis is true.

"If Alorael and not Alorael, then you are not reading this post, never have, and never will." This is a logically valid statement. I'm not quite comfortable with calling it a tautology, though.

—Alorael, who would rather go with Thuryl's definition. Ignore the if because there is no following proposition and accept that his name is a contradiction. And this is all highly irrelevant to the thread.
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TM's essentially right.

In Boolean logic, a tautology is a statement that is true regardless of the truth values of any of its parts (as defined in the Wikipedia article on "tautology"). An if-then is always true if its if-clause (the protasis) is false, and a contradiction is always false. Therefore an if-then is always true if it has a contradiction in the protasis, which makes it a tautology.

EDIT: For the sake of making TM's post make sense, I should mention that this post originally said that he was wrong. Then I read closer, and my edit came in at about the same time as his post.

[ Thursday, January 05, 2006 22:29: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Kel, the major operator of Alo's moniker is the if. It's an if-then statement with a variable for the consequence. Yeah, the consequence may-or-may-not be false, but regardless if it is or not, the if-statement is guaranteed to be true.

So I was wrong, but you were too- it doesn't guarantee a true conclusion, but it DOES guarantee a true statement regardless of the conclusion. My bad.

(For reference, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentential_logic#Grammar )

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So it would in fact be most accurate to say that "If Alorael or not Alorael" is half of a tautology. :P

[ Thursday, January 05, 2006 23:11: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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In Exile, if I kept it on my computer (well, it was how I found out about Spidweb, but I like Avernum, Nethergate and Geneforge better), one each of my fighters would have a sword, a spear and a mace. Though all of them, spellcasters included, would get axes until I got something better. Nethergate characters would get swords, except for one spearcarrier per party.

In Avernum everyone gets swords, which is what I voted for.

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In Exile, I always give everyone swords. All fighters get two swords at least as good as Magic Wave Blades, spellcasters get one sword at least as good as a Magic Wave Blade, and a Rune Shield.

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Seriously, in Exile the ambidextrous edged weapon setup was RIDICULOUSLY more powerful than anything else. Bashing weapons didn't even come close -- Exile I had the Alien Blade and IIRC the Assassin's Knife. Exile II had the Magic Wave Blade which accidentally did not have its "Magic" flag checked, so you could improve it; twin Flaming Magic Wave Blades were just disgusting.

Pole weapons have never really been given a fighting chance, except maybe in Nethergate.

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3 Spear/Halberd Fighter, 1 Sword Fighter (Only in BoA), that says nearly everything! :D

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quote:
Originally written by Slartucker:

Seriously, in Exile the ambidextrous edged weapon setup was RIDICULOUSLY more powerful than anything else.
Not against things with heavy armour it wasn't. Sure, your strength bonuses get applied twice if you're wielding two weapons, but so do your target's armour bonuses. Having at least one character who's capable of doing high damage per hit is very advantageous when you're fighting, say, Doomguards.

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Fortunately, in Exile turning a mean man with two little swords into a mean man with one huge sword is as simple as changing equipment. A pair of absurdly overpowered waveblades and a single absurdly overpowered greatsword are perfect.

—Alorael, who never ran into such terribly armored foes that a greatsword literally wouldn't cut it and only a halberd could do the job.
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