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quote:
Originally written by Andrew Miller:

...and one karma for you! Go sense.
if you meant I should have had the sense not to say I support bush because people who do not like him would rate me bad I knew perfectly well that would happen when I posted. And I really don't care

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Which is why you want it to keep on rolling, right? Or did you just added "not" by mistake? Well, if it keeps on, I will have a laugh. :)

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quote:
Originally written by Hawk King:

if you meant I should have had the sense not to say I support bush because people who do not like him would rate me bad I knew perfectly well that would happen when I posted. And I really don't care
No, I meant that people with sense don't support Bush, so in essence or a sense, I was supporting the other camp. Savvy?

[ Friday, May 27, 2005 07:57: Message edited by: Andrew Miller ]
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Low blow bro, but I agree.

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quote:
Originally written by Andrew Miller:

quote:
Originally written by Hawk King:

if you meant I should have had the sense not to say I support bush because people who do not like him would rate me bad I knew perfectly well that would happen when I posted. And I really don't care
No, I meant that people with sense don't support Bush, so in essence or a sense, I was supporting the other camp. Savvy?

Well, at least not all Americans are stupid then.

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If you don't support Bush, you can't have actually seen all of the interviews / debates with Kerry. I think the reason so many non-Americans don't support Bush is that they were not as saturated with him as we were. There are only so many times I can hear the phrase "I absolutely might have" without flying into a homicidal rage. Not to mention he could consistantly contradict something he says in the same sentance, that takes some skill.

And on somewhat of a side note, I've seen Bush's wife several times on talk shows like Leno, and she seems like a genuinely nice, caring person, and does a lot of work for charaties and everything. Kerry's wife is just a *****. Seriously.

And I used to like Kerry before he started running, too! I liked him for some of his many views that he evidantly had two of. Fortunately, I paid enough attention to see him saying the opposite of things he'd said that made me like him in the first place.

Also, if he'd really have wanted to win, all he would have had to do was have his wife have a press conference saying "If Kerry isn't elected, no more ketchup." There would have been record turnout.

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Flip-flopping versus country-ruining.

Hmm.

Decisions, decisions.

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You know, there's such a thing as seeing both sides of an issue. It's entirely necessary for politicians who want to represent all the people of their country instead of just the ones who voted for them.

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I think this site will sort some issues out

Bush

I recommend that no Bush supports to click that.
And I really don't care about who is president because it doesnt really affect me and I'm from New Zealand and our prime minister can't whether to be a guy or a girl.

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You can't represent both sides at once, you know! The point of a leader is to make decisions, and if you can't make a decision without second guessing yourself, or subverting yourself later, you have no place in charge of anything. If you do that, even if you make the right decisions, you end up changing your mind later and screwing them up. And look at all the great leaders in history, they were all able to make their decision and stand by it.

And really, it's insane when people talk about "destroying" Iraq. People complain that Americans don't know anything about other countries, but the lack of knowledge people all over the world show about Iraq is disgusting. In Iraq, the government had a habit of, when people left the country, were suspected of wanting to leave the country, were suspected of talking to people in other countries, got to much power in the Iraqi gov't/army, someone didn't like you, etc, etc, taking their family, and starting with the youngest (i.e., CHILDREN) raping, and then killing them in front of the other family, one by one, until they were all dead. Boys and girls, children and adults. And in Iraq, as in many other countries like it, people often live with their extended families in one house--parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, cousins, nieces, nephews, grandkids. I hardly call overthrowing that government "destroying" a nation.

And that's not even the worst things they've done. I'll leave it to you to research the rest. And this was all stuff that had been going on for some 20 years, there.

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I think this site will sort some issues out
You know, Bush actually supports a lot of the same things Clinton did, don't you? And that if you look at economic issues, they really aren't that different? It's supprising what people miss when they hate someone.

I remember seeing two (shock) CNN articles a while ago, one saying, under the Clinton administration "unemployment plummets to 6%" citing how much ass Clinton kicks, and then another under the Bush administration saying "unemployment skyrockets to 6%" citing how crappy of a job Bush does :rolleyes: . I may not like Clinton, but at least I don't pretend he was trying to destroy the world when he was in office.

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Leadership is a fine trait in an administrator for the sort of person who needs to be led, I suppose.

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Leadership is a fine trait in an administrator for the sort of person who needs to be led, I suppose.
As someone who has personally seen several city councils and school administration entities with no leadership ability, I can attest to how quickly things will go to hell. There's a reason the city of Spokane built a big parking garage thinking it would stimulate their economy, and it's not because we have a mayor who is a great leader... And that's only the beginning...

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Originally written by cfgauss:

You can't represent both sides at once, you know! The point of a leader is to make decisions, and if you can't make a decision without second guessing yourself, or subverting yourself later, you have no place in charge of anything. If you do that, even if you make the right decisions, you end up changing your mind later and screwing them up. And look at all the great leaders in history, they were all able to make their decision and stand by it.
Dogged intransigence doesn't make a good leader anywhere except in the heads of madmen. I challenge you to find a credible historian who will ascribe the characteristic as you describe it (no reversal, no self-questioning, etc.) to a national leader who is not also a mass murderer, and coincidentally insane.
Grow up. The world is a complex place, the President is a man, nothing more or less, and sometimes it is his unfortunate job to admit he was wrong. The shuck and jive act Bush has personally played with the question of Iraqi WMDs - 'Well, they still might be there' becomes unofficial announcements becomes lower-level press releases becomes 'faulty intelligence' - is sickening and demoralizing. I find that sort of vile philandering far, far worse than changing your position when the facts change, or what we know of the facts change - because every President in American history, George W. Bush included, has been forced to do so, but never has any President been forced to lie to the American people and the world.

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And really, it's insane when people talk about "destroying" Iraq. People complain that Americans don't know anything about other countries, but the lack of knowledge people all over the world show about Iraq is disgusting. In Iraq, the government had a habit of, when people left the country, were suspected of wanting to leave the country, were suspected of talking to people in other countries, got to much power in the Iraqi gov't/army, someone didn't like you, etc, etc, taking their family, and starting with the youngest (i.e., CHILDREN) raping, and then killing them in front of the other family, one by one, until they were all dead. Boys and girls, children and adults. And in Iraq, as in many other countries like it, people often live with their extended families in one house--parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters, cousins, nieces, nephews, grandkids. I hardly call overthrowing that government "destroying" a nation.
And that's not even the worst things they've done. I'll leave it to you to research the rest. And this was all stuff that had been going on for some 20 years, there.

I was talking about the U.S. And the claim that Clinton and Bush have similar environmental records is completely risible - the Bush administration is essentially a corporate puppet state, and has taken few to no positive measures as regard environmental concerns.
While the U.S. tradition does and should favor production over pristinity, under Bush we're talking about truly scary stuff that threatens human life on a massive scale for the sake of industry. (Mercury and lead restrictions reduced or removed, subsidies and stimuli fed to the coal industry, etc.)

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Oh, no, look! Look at that! That industry is... :eek: ...polluting :eek: ! Make them pay! They're killing all the animals; destroying our environment! Fine them! Now! Make them stop polluting!

*company goes out of business; unemployment goes up a little more and that product now costs more*

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Which exact part of 'threatens human life on a massive scale' happened to elude you, you contrarian nitwit?

If a business can't operate without killing or injuring people, it shouldn't be operating. Yes, there are exceptions to this, but no, this does not change the simple fact that poisoning children with mercury in order to increase the profit margins of an electric company is wrong. The coal emissions regulations in particular have that exact result.

Then we can look at global warming, which Bush, backed by no credible ecologists but plenty of credible businessmen, has considered an unqualified hypothesis and continuously dismantled regulations against.

We're not talking about bringing an industry to a halt to leave a species of worm undisturbed. We're talking about poisoning, choking, dehydrating, and starving millions of people and leaving the Earth close to uninhabitable within decades, barring drastic social change. There's a difference, and behaving as if there isn't is despicable.

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We're not talking about bringing an industry to a halt to leave a species of worm undisturbed. We're talking about poisoning, choking, dehydrating, and starving millions of people and leaving the Earth close to uninhabitable within decades, barring drastic social change. There's a difference, and behaving as if there isn't is despicable.


WHOOAAA! Damn Right, Stupid Bush. Not that he has any power.

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If you think that Bush is bad, look at John Howard.

Stupid ass-kissers...

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John's not so bad. I took a shower with him once.
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I'm only across the ditch and I don't really know about Mr. Howard, maybe someone can elaborate?

Spring?

Oh, and what about this Corby crap?

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I wouldn't say the pollution from present-day industries 'threatens life on a massive scale'. The tsunami a while back, now that threatens human life, but certainly not industrial pollution, on a massive scale anyway.

I know that coal and fossil fuel burning is not ideal because of the greenhouse gases (ie sulfur dioxide) it releases into the atmosphere. But what other option do we have? We could use solar power, but that's expensive to collect and not sufficient for our energy needs. Wind power? Sure, but once against, not sufficient. Nuclear power? Oh, well I guess we can rule that one out because it polluted with fish-killing radioactive waste but mostly because Bush supports it. :P :rolleyes:

But nuclear power and any other options possible are what we're going to need to use in the future when coal and fossil fuel reserves become depleted. And for many years, not one new nuclear power plant has opened. Not one. I'm guessing that atmospheric pollution with greenhouse gases is preferable to radioactive waste. Am I correct?

And then we can get to global warming. Obviously, it will not be long before we turn the Earth into another Venus and wipe off life from the face of the Earth. :rolleyes: While global warming is a fact, I think it is often an overrated fact. Evidence shows that the Earth is in a natural warming phase through the interglacial period after the last ice age. Does pollution speed this up? Yes. Enough to permanently change the Earth's climate and kill people on a 'massive scale'? No.

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I'd prefer to be able to breathe clean air wherever I go, thanks a lot.

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Fuel cell technology is advancing nicely. At least, I read an article claiming so, and that's good enough for me.

Also, I really don't like Bush. It's clear that Saddam's government was bad and stuff, but maybe Bush could have come up with a better excuse for seizing their oil.

I also dislike Bush because he allows his personal religious beliefs to interfere with the lives of millions of people in what is supposedly the country with the most freedom. That's like handing the controls of a nuclear missile to a psychopath.

Lastly, I don't know much about Kerry's flip-flopping, but I know a lot of politicians change their views depending on what their listener wants.

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originally written by Alec:
While the U.S. tradition does and should favor production over pristinity, under Bush we're talking about truly scary stuff that threatens human life on a massive scale for the sake of industry. (Mercury and lead restrictions reduced or removed, subsidies and stimuli fed to the coal industry, etc.)
This massive scale, just how big is it exactly? How many peoples lives will be threatened each year because of the lessened restrictions? How many will die? When should we expect these deaths to start? How many industries are actually changing their mercury and lead usage because of the lessened restrictions? What studies are you basing your 'massive' claims on?

I admit that these lessened restrictions do have the chance to harm some, but I cannot see a 'massive' lethal threat in it.

Bush can't be re-elected again. I would suggest to you, and the democratic party in general, that instead of wasting all your time bashing Bush and whining about how his terrible policies are going to kill us all, you should be looking for a better candidate for the next election. Soft-spoken, resolute, and more interested in the issues then back-biteing. The only reason the Democrats didn't win the election is because Kerry was a bad candidate. America was ready for a different president but there were enough people who saw Kerry's waffeling as a terrible weakness that they just couldn't get behind him.

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