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probably the 39587234967th remake of this topic but i just got 2 CDs in the mail so i am happy. what music do you like?

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Currently listening to Shiina Ringo, Ayu and Minmi.

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Yay! The next "What are you listening to?" topic. :eek:

Some music is good; other music is very degrading to someone's life. Especially if it's chalk full of cuss words.

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Already said it, but hey: anything featuring Chris Cornell (Soundgarden, Audioslave, solo stuff), Led Zepellin, A Perfect Circle, Interpol. There's more, but I can't think of it.

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If nobody minds, I'm going to seize upon an opportunity to make this topic into something more worthwhile.

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Some music is good; other music is very degrading to someone's life. Especially if it's chalk full of cuss words.
Okay, so tell me, how do you define a "cuss word"? It can't relate to the subject matter; for if that were so, why could one word be worse than another with an identical meaning? Euphemisms would be of no use in such a case; some topics could simply not be discussed. But as euphemisms do exist and are widely used, clearly obscenity can have nothing to do with the semantic content of the words. Is it the sound of the words that offends you, then? The spelling, perhaps? Do the words "funk" and "shift" make the hairs on the back of your neck stand on end?

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Originally written by Thuryl:

If nobody minds, I'm going to seize upon an opportunity to make this topic into something more worthwhile.

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Some music is good; other music is very degrading to someone's life. Especially if it's chalk full of cuss words.
Okay, so tell me, how do you define a "cuss word"? It can't relate to the subject matter; for if that were so, why could one word be worse than another with an identical meaning? Euphemisms would be of no use in such a case; some topics could simply not be discussed. But as euphemisms do exist and are widely used, clearly obscenity can have nothing to do with the semantic content of the words. Is it the sound of the words that offends you, then? The spelling, perhaps? Do the words "funk" and "shift" make the hairs on the back of your neck stand on end?

Once again, you're trying to make a big, logically-backed philosophy out of ben's simple contempt for dark people, and that's going to lead to nothing but woe.

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Cuss words are any word referring to some durragatory (sp?) concept or thing used in a degrading tone toward any other person or to God. The separate instances, though of varying "severeness," are largely predefined by society as a whole. Basically, if I were to blurt out a word, you could tell me if it was a cuss word or not. Even if it doesn't seem so bad to you as an individual.

If cuss words were left out of the statements they are commonly used in, anything people say would just sound so much cleaner and nicer. I think some people just need to realize what they're really saying when they cuss and that it is largely unnecessary to use such wordage in common speech.

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Call me crazy, but I always thought what you say is more important than how you say it. Insults are insults, cusses or no. Plus, where would I be without my favorite ripostes for my friends' crude barbs? Sometimes I think we wouldn't like each other nearly as much if we couldn't call each other ****s.

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Originally written by N00BEN:


If cuss words were left out of the statements they are commonly used in, anything people say would just sound so much cleaner and nicer.

And thus, much more boring. The cursing adds flavor to otherwise dull conversations, and really is just meant to emphasize what's been said.

After all, why say "You're unpleasant" when what you really mean is "You *ss!!!"?

By the way, why are people so insulted by people cursing? I can understand for things like racial slurs, but for the more mundane words, what's the big deal? It's just a word, after all...

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Originally written by N00BEN:

Cuss words are any word referring to some durragatory (sp?) concept or thing used in a degrading tone toward any other person or to God.
So it's not the word itself, but the way it's used? If I were to say "My computer is a piece of sh*t", that wouldn't be swearing, but if I were to say "Tony Blair is a piece of sh*t", that would be? And saying "Tony Blair is a piece of sh*t" would be exactly the same degree of swearing as "Tony Blair is a piece of crap", since words with identical meanings are being used in identical context?

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Originally written by Thuryl:

And saying "Tony Blair is a piece of sh*t" would be exactly the same degree of swearing as "Tony Blair is a piece of crap", since words with identical meanings are being used in identical context?
I see no difference. Do most people consider 'sh!t' to be worse than 'crap'? Well, since UBB masks one and not the other, I guess they must...

I think it's silly to get legalistic about swearing. After all, it's perfectly possible for a song to be obscene and offensive without using swear words.

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I really like MOP right now. The real deal when it comes to hardcore rap. They don't hold back on anything. **** this ****ing debate over ****ing offensive words its ****ing nothing, ****.

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And what if the person the word is being said to doesn't care? Is it still a swear if the person is not offended.

If it's solely based on the intent of the word and not the word itself where do you draw the line? Is calling someone unintelligent or unattractive swearing? They both have derogatory intent, but they are just descriptive terms.

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So, wait - we're trying to phase out a legitimate if ugly and uncouth part of language because it hurts some people's feelings?

Why, Ben. I had no idea you were a PC enthusiast.

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Yea, I live out in the county and swear words are just common speech. In schools teachers swear and curse without realising it as does everyone else because it's just commonly accepted. It's how I was brought up and I don't even realise when I swear and no-one really finds it offensive.
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Ephesos is right -- most swear words are mainly used in conversation as an emphasis for what they are talking about. Or in some cases, used in pain or surprise. I don't really care if people swear, as I do it a lot also.

Oh yeah: Currently listening to my keyboard as I type these words. No music.

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I'm in the office, so I'm not listening to anything. When I last was at home, I was listening to a CD of Hélène Grimaud playing Brahms, and before that, the soundtrack of my new Age of Empires CD. Remember this topic? :P

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I rather make/play music than listen others. You can download my creation(s) from www.eagleworld.tk on the download page.

When I have nothing to do I sometimes sit down and play drums, or imitate myself playing drums (I hit on my shoulder and lap while stomping on the floor.).

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I understand the arguments in favor of swearing, however, I agree with the point that it can degrade your life.

The point is not necessarily meaning and context so much as connotation. There are exceptions of course, such as Kingy, who were simply raised with such words and so they do not have offensive connotations. I am an exact opposite example. With my parents I grew up in a situation where I had a very long list of words with offensive connotations. I was 10 yrs. old before I found out that "crap" isn’t generally considered a swear word.

The point is not the word, but the connotation and, in a couple cases, meaning. Those who object to swearing are not necessarily objecting to the words themselves, they are generally objecting to the connotations. Words themselves are just a collection of text or sounds we have associated with a particular meaning and connotation. The vast majority of people, if asked, would choose whether they'd rather be "thin" or "skinny". The meaning is exactly the same, however, some think that being "thin" sounds better than being "skinny" and some may think that "skinny" implies greater thinness than "thin".

Some words are very widely viewed to have vulgar, crude, obscene, or otherwise offensive connotations. Such words are considered offensive less because of meaning or context and more because they imply crudity or obscenity. Calling some one a "microwave oven" would not likely greatly offend them. In the future, however, it might. Not because the meaning will have changed, but because the connotation will have. The vast majority of those who object to hearing "swear" words do not consider themselves to be vulgar, crude or obscene and thus are objecting to having language connoting vulgar, crude, and obscene things used in their presence.

The fact of the matter is there will always be people who wish to voice their thoughts in a crude and obscene manner. Thus there will always be words with such connotations and also people who do not wish to hear them.

If, in your mind, such words do not have vulgar, crude or obscene meaning and connotations, then they are not, technically, "swear" words. To you. However, to some of us (and a large portion of society) they are. Which is why some of us appreciate having others not use those words in our presence.

Undeniably, everyone here is aware of the fact that some words are considered "cuss" words, regardless of whether they personally view them to be so or not. If you are among those who believe they are, listening to music full of words with crude and obscene connotations will, inarguably, fill your mind with crudity and obscenity. In the vast majority of cases, even should you not personally view such words in such a manner, your knowledge and experience, through a lifetime of interacting with those who do view them in such a manner, does, to at least a very small extent, plant within your mind a hint of such connotations.

In many cases (especially in many cases of those who will be reading this) the words generally accepted to be “swear” words, to them, do not have offensive connotations or, at least, not very strong connotations. If such is your case, I say decide for yourself whether you wish to use them or not. However, I personally would appreciate it if you did not use such words in front of me, especially considering doing so violates the CoC. Similarly, if something I say offends you, inform me and I will cease saying such in front of you in order to respect your views and follow the CoC.

[ Tuesday, May 24, 2005 15:10: Message edited by: Archmage Alex ]

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i geuss that since you people are of topic i will bring it back with this..... DEEP PURPLE rocks
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Does anyone know who made the music from Resident Evil 1-3? I possess a few tracks from those games, and currently have the artist labelled as "Capcom" because I don't know who specifically made them. I looked in the RE2 instruction manual, but it doesn't say.

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Yeah, I agree with most of what Archmagi Michael said. Not only are swear words crude and obscene, but they make other people think that the person saying the swear words is also crude and obscene.

For example, say there's a very unlikable teacher named Mr. Mean. One person could say, "Man, I really don't like Mr. Mean. He gives way too much homework, I don't learn hardly anything in his class, and I truly dread going there everyday."

Now, the next person comes up and says, "****, Mr. Mean is a ****ing piece of ****!! I **** ****ing hate him. He's just ****-*** mean, *** ****it. **** him!!!

I'm sure you see an obvious difference. Though this is a rather extreme example, it demonstrates the point. Not only does the first person just seem like a better person, but you can tell that he's obviously less likely to go to jail, get in trouble at school, and upset people. Furthermore, these people can be interpreted as good, God-fearing people also. Truly, Christians are often stereotyped as good and gentle people, that is to say, just by talking to someone, you can generally tell if they're a Christian or not. But I know this is religion again, so you may not believe me there. :rolleyes:

I think cussing is just a bad habit to get into, and the kind of music a person listens to, especially developing people like children and teenagers, can affect their personality. Excessive cussing in music fills the person's mind with constant cuss words, and because of that, they routinely cuss in regular speech. It's hard to quit once you have a problem with cussing, but like other addictive bad habits like drinking or smoking, quitting the cause can help you quit all together. In the case of cussing, refraining from listening to obscene music could be its big Nicorette pill.

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First of all, I am Archmage Alex not Archmagi Michael.

Second of all, I wish to clarify and modify my above statement (it has also been changed above). I agree with the general point Ben made in the beginning. This later argument seems a bit biased and shoddily held together.

For complete clarification, my point can be summed up: Swearing is a matter of perspective, but please don't use the words generally considered swearing in front of me.

To help Ben, I assure you I very well understand your argument. However, you must understand that while you swearing and listening to music with cursing in it would make you a bad person, it is because you would be abandoning your beliefs by doing so and adopting language usage that through your life has come to have particular (law-breaking, degenerate, horrible) connotations.

While I understand your argument, it is faulty in that you presuming to know the inner workings of everyone and predicting their reactions. To make your argument more accurate, you would need to clarify that it would be the surrounding of oneself with that which one, at heart, believes to be crude and offensive (whatever that may be) that would be a lowering of ones standards and make one a lesser person.

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Eh. If someone says something that isn't your business, the fact that they swear when they say it shouldn't make it any more your business. I can see where you're coming from about the message board, though, Alex, because stuff on the message board is inherently your business. On the other hand, if you can't take it when people casually curse, what'll you do when they actually curse at you hurtfully? Desensitization seems like the best all-around option to me.
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Oof, sorry about that Archmagi Michael thing, Archmage Alex.

I can take it when people cuss. It's very easy to frown upon and stop listening to what they have to say, however.

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