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So, who is the scariest foe? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Sunday, December 3 2006 06:45 Profile #0
It doesn't have to be an endgame enemy. A lot of enemies are scary for a lot of reasons. Low levels, lack of spells, lack of damaging weapons, a very powerful monster at an early point in the game when you are to green to properly deal with them, etc.

So what scares you every time you deal with it?

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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HELP! in Geneforge Series
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Saturday, December 2 2006 19:49 Profile #14
Apple Vlish. The computer that uses YOU to get stuff done.

It was a bug Dave.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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HELP! in Geneforge Series
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Saturday, December 2 2006 18:51 Profile #12
And for the consumer model, there is the Apple EyeVlish, with Beholder technology.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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How do I make a Cryora? in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Saturday, December 2 2006 18:14 Profile #1
You need three levels of fyora.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Monarch Papers in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Saturday, December 2 2006 17:42 Profile #1
Check the cabinets in Monarch's personal quarters.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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HELP! in Geneforge Series
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Saturday, December 2 2006 17:32 Profile #10
Puce?

PUCE?

Why, I oughta lock this thread. That colour is offensive!

Right up there with harvest gold. Ugh.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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HELP! in Geneforge Series
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Saturday, December 2 2006 16:21 Profile #8
All Vlish are Mac users.

We become sorely vexed when we are annoyed.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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The Artifact Belts in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Saturday, December 2 2006 16:19 Profile #3
I slew the evil doppleganger for you.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Wingbolt or Kyshakk in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Saturday, December 2 2006 12:58 Profile #10
quote:
Originally written by --Slarty:

Their melee attacks should be almost exactly the same, except for the poison inflicted by the wingbolt. That is another bonus, it's true.

The damage gap also sounds huger than expected. Do you have more training in Magic Shaping than Fire Shaping?

EDIT: Vlish, I'm confused. Wingbolts actually have slightly more physical resistance ("armor") than kyshakks, 40% vs 30%. But neither creation has any resistance whatsoever to ice, fire, acid, or poison. None. Have you actually tested this or is it just an impression?
Just random observation through the beta. I think it is because the Kyshakk has more life and lasts longer in melee.

As for the magic attacks, I can't explain it, the wingbolt just feels like it takes less damage, but I can't explain why. But with powerful magic user types, my wingbolts lasted longer than my lightning spitters did. But I can't say why.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Wingbolt or Kyshakk in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Saturday, December 2 2006 12:54 Profile #9
I've had high level wingbolts under powerful blessing magic hit over 300 in damage on some foes.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Wingbolt or Kyshakk in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Saturday, December 2 2006 12:47 Profile #7
Not just magic damage.

Wingbolts seem to also resist ice damage better, fire damage, acid, and poison. My wingbolts always take less damage than anything else I have. Kyshakks or however it is spelled, well, you don't need two different creations doing the same damage type. So I tend to go with cryodryaks and dryaks.

Out of all my usual creations though, wingbolts are the most magically resistant. Everything sort of bounces off.

But I have to watch when something melees them though. They are fragile. Well, relatively speaking that is. Physical damage rips them up pretty bad.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Wingbolt or Kyshakk in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Saturday, December 2 2006 12:07 Profile #3
They both do magic damage. The wingbolt does a huge blast of damage all at once, while the other does damage over time.

I have found the wingbolt to be seemingly more resistant to hostile magic, and its energy reserves seem to hold out longer.

Plus, they look cool.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Eliza's quest in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Friday, December 1 2006 22:19 Profile #9
Eliza, all of the times I have killed her, was like chopping down the mightiest tree in the forrest with a herring.

You can SPANK Shaftoe with spines and lots of acid / applied damage.

Eliza, no matter what you do, she seems to take forever, and can dish out a LOT of hurt while you wittle her down.

I don't know if she is hard... But she is tedious.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Eliza's quest in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Friday, December 1 2006 20:14 Profile #6
Eliza is the hardest to kill. At least, I think so.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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The Fens in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Friday, December 1 2006 12:36 Profile #3
The game is actually very good about letting you know if you are in over your head. If you strike a wall suddenly, it is for good reason. A few levels and a couple of well placed skill points can make a world of difference.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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The Fens in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Friday, December 1 2006 12:18 Profile #1
You should be hitting the Fens at about 25 or 30ish. Go find more levels somewhere.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Statistics:Topics Derailed in General
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Friday, December 1 2006 12:04 Profile #5
**Taps tentacle on desk**

This is a meaningful conversation right? Not another spammy poll thread?

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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The Fall of the Cryoan Empire in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Thursday, November 30 2006 21:13 Profile #24
quote:
Originally written by Breaking and Logging In:

I agree about the lack of a need for things that go boom. Did anyone ever use pyroroamers in previous Geneforges? Still, you don't really need much more than cryoas, drayks, drakons, maybe some wingbolts and gazers, and roamers for special occasions.

There are two sides to the servile that you seem to like. One is being able to do damage. Lifecrafters can match magical damage and they don't even try physical damage because there's another drakon for that. Or two. I think the lifecrafter comes out ahead there.

The other is being able to sit in the thick of things and survive. Serviles can pull it off. Lifecrafters aren't as good at it, but you make it sound like they drop dead when targeted by vigorous sneezes. A well-madae lifecrafter should have plenty of health (yes, that means endurance) and enough strength to wear decent armor. No, they won't surive standing around in a melee alone, but lifecrafters should never take more than one or two hits in a round. You've got creations to steal attention, magic to keep yourself healthy, and plenty of AP to get you out of the way.

—Alorael, who thinks perhaps the problem is different lifecrafter builds. Since you really don't need so much shaping, especially at high levels, why are the lifecrafters turning into glass cannons (or maybe glass leash holders)? The skills that really help you not die (as opposed to kill things with a sword) are no harder for lifecrafters than serviles.
Ah, there is the problem I have. See, if you, as a lifecrafter, pump up your magic skills, you have to be in the thick of battle to use them. This means that with the new AP system, and how the enemy likes to target stuff, when your lifecrafter poofs off that burst of aura of flames or an acid shower, many angry creatures are going to come a howling for his blood. The new AP system is a darn good thing, but it plays hell on the lifecrafter. If you are close enough to shoot something with a baton, you are close enough to take fire or get chomped. Hence, the larger cushion of life needed. Even with endurance, the lifecrafter class is, well, somewhat fragile. You don't get very good returns on endurance investments.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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The Fall of the Cryoan Empire in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Thursday, November 30 2006 21:07 Profile #23
I believe it would have been better to have had two classes. Servile and Rebel Human.

It is pretty much what the game boils down to now. How to flesh out the two characters, I have no clue, but make some skills cheaper for one and other skills cheaper for the other.

This thread has caused me to rethink a couple of my views, for better and for worse.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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The Fall of the Cryoan Empire in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Thursday, November 30 2006 20:48 Profile #18
NEW creations. New. New. Of the three new creations added.

And some of the old ones have gone all explody as I have mentioned.

I felt really let down to get three levels of wingbolt hoping for some kind of uber wingbolt... What I got was disapointment.

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The Fall of the Cryoan Empire in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Thursday, November 30 2006 20:32 Profile #16
I agree with you there that the servile and the lifecrafter are balanced, up to a point. But I still believe a lot of the reasons to be a shaper type are no longer there. I feel the trade off is just to much.

The real problem here is, there are classes other than the servile and the lifecrafter. And they are badly diminished.

But I stand by what I said. A lot of what made shapers so much fun to play and what made them powerful is gone from this game.

After thinking about it, I believe part of why I feel the way I do is the disposable creations. Unstable thahds. Exploding Vlish. And the new creations explode as well on their second level. Just feel... I don't know... Gypped. No more thahd shades. So many of the higher level creations are gone, and none of the new creations are stable in their second form. So the reasons for having high level shaping skills, well, they are sort of gone.

I guess I feel that all those points that lifecrafters spend in shaping are better spent some place else.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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Are Fyoras Cute? in Geneforge Series
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Thursday, November 30 2006 18:56 Profile #61
No more of this, or I will be forced to expose you all to human appendage pr0n.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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The Fall of the Cryoan Empire in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Thursday, November 30 2006 18:40 Profile #13
It is not so much the servile though to be fair. It is the servile that is the optimal class to use all of the right items that makes them, well, brutally overpowered.

Well, that is not totally true. Part of it that they are capable magic users with warrior like hit points, and using the right buffs and with some endurance, since there is so few other places to spend skill points, it is not hard at all to hit 500 or more hit points. Heck, at the 300 or the 400 mark you really become quite the little monster. Unlike the Agent of long ago, you don't need to duck behind a corner and string a battle out. You just stand your ground and keep casting, keep stabbing, or keep shooting till everything is dead. Having something chomp you for 100 damage isn't a big deal, it certainly isn't fatal, and you could take a few more hits if you had to. Not much is likely to hit you for a hundred damage though. Armor buffs, elemental protection though items and spells, all that stuff, most things chip away at you doing 10 or 20 damage here and there when they actually get lucky enough to hit you, or get past your parry.

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If I could make just one wish, I would want a tasty vlish.

Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
Posts: 1104 | Registered: Tuesday, February 12 2002 08:00
The Fall of the Cryoan Empire in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
Delicious Vlish
His Mighty Tentacle
Member # 627
 written Thursday, November 30 2006 14:42 Profile #10
I compare by averages and an overall comparison of said class.

By averages, health is better, creations are of a similar strength, combat skills can be boosted by items up to an above average acceptable level, and further boosted by blessing magic. The servile comes out better in the averages as a whole.

And really, it is the items fault. You can buy your combat skills, boost them with some items, and even with zero combat investment, you have 100% hit rates and insane damage, because of blessing magic. You don't need to invest in a single point of combat skills. Heck, you can clear 10 or so melee skills quite easily from buying skills and using an item or two. Mass Energise will turn you into Captain Cusinart in melee.

My current servile has only invested in int, leadership, mechanics, and magic skills. Everything else, he can get for free at no investment cost. Oh, and a point or two in endurance.

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Geneforge IV. Still no tasty vlish.
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