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Title	Infiltrator
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Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Sunday, July 11 2004 04:46 Profile Homepage #194 quote: Originally written by Xan Kreigor: The heteros on this topic who are against homosexuality should try to imagine, I mean REALLY try to imagine this scenario. What if the Bible said that heterosexual activity was immoral, sinful, and to be despised and avoided, while homosexual relations were the norm the homosexuals were following the will of God. Now try saying to God: "I realize I am a sinner. My heterosexual life cannot be tolerated any more. I must break off my "wonderful" intimate relationships with my companion/spouse of the opposite sex, and make an attempt to live a normal life loving only those of my gender." Such a shift would be anything but a simple act of recognizing one's "sinful ways" yet that is what many expect homosexuals to do! And then they blame it on the Bible without knowing the truth of the greek scriptures and context. That is far more an abomination and travesty that condemning loving homosexual relationships. Since the beggining of humanity that heterosexualism was established. And homosexualism condemned. It's nothing "recent" that changed the way we are. It's always been like that. What you could ask us to imagine is if homosexualism was the way to go, since the beggining. Then I would be homosexual and think it would be natural. Of course, God would have to change some rules: men could get pregnant, for example. But I know what you want me to imagine: let's say that God changed His mind and tells us that we heterosexualism is condemned. I wouldn't practice heterosexualism anymore. But I wouldn't run to a man's arms either. Abstinence. Love isn't only what exist in a couple. There's love for God, for friends, for nature, etc, etc. -------------------- Visit the BoA Center! Blades of Avernum Center Your Avernum Design Haven Brand new and powerful forum! Check it out now! Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Sunday, July 11 2004 04:38 Profile Homepage #193 quote: Originally written by Imban: To use your example, if the God of the Old Testament told you a train was coming, and you crossed the railroad tracks anyway, but managed to dodge the train, you would still go to the hospital with no legs and arms, as a result of God's response... But doesn't happen, does it? Only if there's a big coincidence Anyway, it was a metaphore to explain a point of view. -------------------- Visit the BoA Center! Blades of Avernum Center Your Avernum Design Haven Brand new and powerful forum! Check it out now! Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Sunday, July 11 2004 04:36 Profile Homepage #192 quote: Originally written by Andrea: Here's one. Is it the only one? Whn it's written that homosexuals won't enter heaven, it looks like definite to me. So there must be other reasons. Maybe because it's a perversion of God original design? Maybe because homosexuals can't procreat (hummm... Lesbians might one day, with cloning, if ever possible! ). And so on... -------------------- Visit the BoA Center! Blades of Avernum Center Your Avernum Design Haven Brand new and powerful forum! Check it out now! Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Sunday, July 11 2004 04:33 Profile Homepage #191 quote: Originally written by ef: So you see, Overwhelming, there is no space for condemnation anywhere for me. And no need to be saved, as I was never lost. I'm only talking by the christian point of view. To reply your post I would have to talk about other issues first, which I won't. I'm not here to evangelize or something, lol. -------------------- Visit the BoA Center! Blades of Avernum Center Your Avernum Design Haven Brand new and powerful forum! Check it out now! Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Quick question: Can we add our own music? in Blades of Avernum Editor
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Sunday, July 11 2004 01:13 Profile Homepage #2 So I guess my bard tale idea is off. :( -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Quick question: Can we add our own music? in Blades of Avernum
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Sunday, July 11 2004 01:13 Profile Homepage #2 So I guess my bard tale idea is off. :( -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Quick question: Can we add our own music? in Blades of Avernum Editor
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Saturday, July 10 2004 13:10 Profile Homepage #0 Quick question: Can we add our own music? And can we add a sound/music with an event (change the music when the player steps a specific space/area, for example)? -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Quick question: Can we add our own music? in Blades of Avernum
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Saturday, July 10 2004 13:10 Profile Homepage #0 Quick question: Can we add our own music? And can we add a sound/music with an event (change the music when the player steps a specific space/area, for example)? -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Mountains. in Blades of Avernum Editor
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Saturday, July 10 2004 13:02 Profile Homepage #7 I don't know if this could help, but here a map of Valorim, at Rache's Avernum 3 Site: ]http://rachea3.tripod.com/avernum3/id161.html [ Saturday, July 10, 2004 13:21: Message edited by: Overwhelming ] -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Mountains. in Blades of Avernum
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Saturday, July 10 2004 13:02 Profile Homepage #7 I don't know if this could help, but here a map of Valorim, at Rache's Avernum 3 Site: ]http://rachea3.tripod.com/avernum3/id161.html [ Saturday, July 10, 2004 13:21: Message edited by: Overwhelming ] -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Wedding= Off. in General
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Saturday, July 10 2004 05:08 Profile Homepage #27 A long relationship means nothing. I had a cousin that had a boyfrind since she was 13. At 23, after finishing university, etc, she just dumped him after knowing a new guy. After 6 months they were married. :) When it's marrying material, we just know it. If I were you, I would forget her and move into new horizons. The right one for you is out there. Your ex-girlfriend is a card out of the deck after what she done. Things would never be the same after what happened. But there are no absolutes, I shall never say never... But that's my advice. How about the trip? It's been a long time I've been planning to travel to that place. Maybe next year! :) -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Ending a scenario in Blades of Avernum Editor
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Saturday, July 10 2004 04:24 Profile Homepage #6 quote: Originally written by Dyng: I didn't start reading about scripting, so I might be saying no-sense, but I noticed the following in your script: You give two choices (0 and 1) The "if choice" part refers to choices 1 and 2, instead of 0 and 1... It's just a mater of logic but, as I said, I know no scripting. So I'll let someone who knows to tell you. :) edit: I checked the VotDT script for fort talrus, and it's just like you have there, so i'm wrong... hummm... [ Saturday, July 10, 2004 04:27: Message edited by: Overwhelming ] -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Ending a scenario in Blades of Avernum
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Saturday, July 10 2004 04:24 Profile Homepage #6 quote: Originally written by Dyng: I didn't start reading about scripting, so I might be saying no-sense, but I noticed the following in your script: You give two choices (0 and 1) The "if choice" part refers to choices 1 and 2, instead of 0 and 1... It's just a mater of logic but, as I said, I know no scripting. So I'll let someone who knows to tell you. :) edit: I checked the VotDT script for fort talrus, and it's just like you have there, so i'm wrong... hummm... [ Saturday, July 10, 2004 04:27: Message edited by: Overwhelming ] -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Just wondering... Anyone of you printed the editor doc? in Blades of Avernum Editor
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Saturday, July 10 2004 03:02 Profile Homepage #8 #%&#$%! After printing all 110 pages in 55 sheets, I noticed I mismatched the pages (page 1 has page 110 in the back, page 2 has page 109 in the back)... I'm printing again, this time 4 pages per sheet. -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Just wondering... Anyone of you printed the editor doc? in Blades of Avernum
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Saturday, July 10 2004 03:02 Profile Homepage #8 #%&#$%! After printing all 110 pages in 55 sheets, I noticed I mismatched the pages (page 1 has page 110 in the back, page 2 has page 109 in the back)... I'm printing again, this time 4 pages per sheet. -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Friday, July 9 2004 04:56 Profile Homepage #176 quote: But does the entire 'looking at a woman with lust in your heart' point Jesus brought up mean nothing to you? That's why there are some laws that try to avoid that situation. If you're warned about adultery, probably you won't even concede yourself to get too intimate with a woman, so that that situation doesn't occur. Prevention is a better choice than remedy. Anyway, the point in that situation in particular is that there were (and are) people that did obey the law but in their hearts they wished they could have that woman. But that's a different situation than obeying the law and even in your heart you know you shouldn't and don't want it, even if you feel tempted. quote: If you wear cloth of two strands, you've committed an abomination against God by Leviticus. If you eat shellfish or pork, you've committed an abomination against God by Leviticus. If you refuse to marry your widowed sister-in-law and inseminate her with your child, you've committed an abomination against God by Leviticus. I could go on. It's well known that shellfish and pork are among the food that do worse to our health, so there's some logic behind the laws. The laws weren't made to test us, they were made to protect us. God is our creator, so He's the most suited to make our "instruction manual" Second, you have to analyse social and historical context. In those times, a widow/divorced woman would be condemned to poverty, social isolation and even prostitution. That's why there is that law, to protect the woman in that time. And remember that those laws you're talking about are laws in ordinances, not moral laws, like the TC. quote: The point Jesus labored to make was that sinlessness is impossible, and any sin is an irreparable taint. You're right but that's no the point. I'm not saying we have to be sinless, but we must repent our sins and try to avoid them. If "you" are gay and want to keep that way, then you're not repenting. Jesus told to the adulterous woman "go and don't do that anymore" (or something like that, I don't have the exact words in my mind and i'm a bad portuguese-english translator ). quote: Forcing them to live and behave as heterosexuals -- 'back into the closet' or such -- would be as basically wrong as forcing heterosexuals to live as gay men and women. No one is saying that gay men must marry women. I even wouldn't recommend it, poor women. Abstinence is the way. There's more to life than sex or being married. There other paths. The apostles even chosen to be single in their lives, living for their ministry. -------------------- Visit the BoA Center! Blades of Avernum Center Your Avernum Design Haven Brand new and powerful forum! Check it out now! Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Friday, July 9 2004 04:41 Profile Homepage #175 quote: We should love God, yes. Should we give Him mindless obedience? I think not. Think about how you love your parents and how much you listen or listened to them. There's more to love than following orders, and if God is a drill sergeant then perhaps it's time we threw ourselves on the devil's mercy. I totally agree with you. So? quote: If the apostles saw that others were doing wrong, they were judging. They may have been using God's rubric, or Christ's, but they were the ones playing judge. I don't agree. Think in a tribunal: the judge is the one that takes a decision, that absolves or condemns. If someone tells you that you shouldn't kill another person, he's not judging, just advising you so that you don't commit murder and ruin you life and, later, be judged for it. I guess my bad english isn't being enough to explain this. I've already tried in my posts above. Oh well... -------------------- Visit the BoA Center! Blades of Avernum Center Your Avernum Design Haven Brand new and powerful forum! Check it out now! Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Friday, July 9 2004 04:37 Profile Homepage #174 quote: The Bible even contains one First, pont me where in the Bible is that, so that I can read it in context. -------------------- Visit the BoA Center! Blades of Avernum Center Your Avernum Design Haven Brand new and powerful forum! Check it out now! Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Friday, July 9 2004 04:36 Profile Homepage #173 quote: It sounds to me as though you believe they're on the wrong path, ergo you've JUDGED them - especially when you equate them with "other sinners." I'm not judging, as I'm not sentencing them neither am saying they should be for that. If you know no difference between positive criticizing and judging/negative criticizing, then you should learn it. The apostles, when they wrote all those letters to the different churches... Were judging them? Can't be, as they also preached that only Jesus can judge us! quote: because NO ONE except for God rightly knows EXACTLY what is right or wrong, so NO ONE has authority over another That's right, that's why we have to get that information from God's word and even then we have to consider that we might be wrong in our interpretation (although in this case there's no interpretation: it's clear in the bible that homosexuals won't be saved). And just because I say "this" doesn't mean I have authority. I would only need that if I wanted to judge, but that's not what I'm doing. quote: because the document is too old and has been reinterpreted too many times to fit so perfectly and conveniently into the context currently used. Even twisted to justify homosexualism. But we have to know the Bible as a whole. We can't say homosexualism is ok because of a speculation in some bible verses, when other verses say the opposite. BTW, Jesus used and quoted the Scriptures, so I hope you're not saying we shouldn't take in consideration God's word. quote: has been used to justify the slaughter of Jews, both during the Inquisition and WWII. Wrongly used. And in that time, ignorance was so common, that if I told someone that the Bible said pigs can fly, they would believe it. The argument was that Jesus was killed by jews, so we should kill all of them. That's not what the Bible says or teaches. That's why we have to learn and study the Bible, so that we aren't easily fooled. quote: Not to mention the fact that I just don't subscribe to the "Law" or Jesus as the Son of God anymore, so your particular conviction has no impact on me, except where enough of you have managed to force it into civil law, which is unfortunate. Calm down here. Take that "you" out, as I'm agains't religious laws enforced by civil laws. I'm for religious freedom. quote: I find that most of you have no knowledge of the historical events surrounding the birth of Christianity in the Mediterranean world. I hate waving my degree around, but I didn't learn Ancient Greek and Latin, translate 3/4 of the Gospels, and spend 3/4 of my college credits pursuing a degree in Classical history and language to be refuted by a born-again fellow who's been spoon-fed a bigotted interpretation I have some knowledge about that. Let's say that I've always beed scientific and christianity didn't change that. I want to know very well something before believing. I don't believe in what I'm told, just in what I learn, discover and proof myself. quote: Homosexual relationships existed and were accepted in ancient culture. Not by God. And that's what's being debated here. If you don't believe in God, then this topic has no interest to you. -------------------- Visit the BoA Center! Blades of Avernum Center Your Avernum Design Haven Brand new and powerful forum! Check it out now! Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Religion, Homosexuality, the Usual in General
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Friday, July 9 2004 04:21 Profile Homepage #172 quote: A God who threatens me with that isn't worth a dime It's not threatning. The law is for our own good. When He says we sould not murder, it's for our (we and society) own good, for example. Let's imagine. I tell you not to cross the railroad, as a train is coming. You cross it and in the same day you go to hospital with no legs and arms. Was it punishment? No. Did I threat you when I told you not to cross? No. You can take your own conclusions about what I tried to tell with this. Another thing: what kind of paradise would it be if there were murderers, liars, adulterers, etc in there? If God says no to homosexualism, He has a good reason for it. -------------------- Visit the BoA Center! Blades of Avernum Center Your Avernum Design Haven Brand new and powerful forum! Check it out now! Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Just wondering... Anyone of you printed the editor doc? in Blades of Avernum Editor
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Friday, July 9 2004 04:12 Profile Homepage #0 Just wondering... Anyone of you printed the editor doc? Just out of curiosity. :) -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Just wondering... Anyone of you printed the editor doc? in Blades of Avernum
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Friday, July 9 2004 04:12 Profile Homepage #0 Just wondering... Anyone of you printed the editor doc? Just out of curiosity. :) -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Set Party Starting Location in Blades of Avernum Editor
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Friday, July 9 2004 03:56 Profile Homepage #2 I guess I will never know. The notebook where I play BoA has fried yesterday I hope the problem it's not the HD, just the motherboard. :( -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Set Party Starting Location in Blades of Avernum
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Friday, July 9 2004 03:56 Profile Homepage #2 I guess I will never know. The notebook where I play BoA has fried yesterday I hope the problem it's not the HD, just the motherboard. :( -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00
Blades of Avernum Wrap Report in Blades of Avernum
Overwhelming Infiltrator Member # 4637	written Thursday, July 8 2004 04:23 Profile Homepage #1 quote: Should we make an Avernum 4 (which is likely), the engine will be sparkly and new -------------------- Visit the Blades of Avernum Center and the Beta Testing Center -------------- "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ." Colossians 2:6-9 Posts: 483 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 29 2004 07:00

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