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Originally written by Thuryl:

Doesn't seem like a universally acceptable definition. There are plenty of religious types around (and a few non-religious ones as well) who think the things they themselves enjoy are evil.

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Thomas Hobbes, "The Elements of Law", Chapter 17, "Other Laws of Nature"

14. Every man by natural passion, calleth that good which pleaseth him for the present, or so far forth as he can foresee; and in like manner that which displeaseth him evil. And therefore he that foreseeth the whole way to his preservation (which is the end that every one by nature aimeth at) must also call it good, and the contrary evil. And this is that good and evil, which not every man in passion calleth so, but all men by reason. And therefore the fulfilling of all these laws is good in reason; and the breaking of them evil. And so also the habit, or disposition, or intention to fulfil them good; and the neglect of them evil. And from hence cometh that distinction of malum paenae, and malum culpae; for malum paenae is any pain or molestation of mind whatsoever; but malum culpae is that action which is contrary to reason and the law of nature; as also the habit of doing according to these and other laws of nature that tend to our preservation, is that we call VIRTUE; and the habit of doing the contrary, VICE. As for example, justice is that habit by which we stand to covenants, injustice the contrary vice; equity that habit by which we allow equality of nature, arrogance the contrary vice; gratitude the habit whereby we requite the benefit and trust of others, ingratitude the contrary vice; temperance the habit by which we abstain from all things that tend to our destruction, intemperance the contrary vice; prudence, the same with virtue in general. As for the common opinion, that virtue consisteth in mediocrity, and vice in extremes, I see no ground for it, nor can find any such mediocrity. Courage may be virtue, when the daring is extreme, if the cause be good; and extreme fear no vice when the danger is extreme. To give a man more than his due, is no injustice, though it be to give him less; and in gifts it is not the sum that maketh liberality, but the reason. And so in all other virtues and vices. I know that this doctrine of mediocrity is Aristotle's, but his opinions concerning virtue and vice, are no other than those which were received then, and are still by the generality of men unstudied; and therefore not very likely to be accurate.

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Another note about the whole morality/good/evil thing. As some have already said, there is no such thing as "evil" except as a subjective assessment of an event or behavior. So what we are left with is the concept of morals or ethics.

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Thomas Hobbes, "The Elements of Law", Chapter 7 :

"3. Every man, for his own part, calleth that which pleaseth, and is delightful to himself, GOOD; and that EVIL which displeaseth him: insomuch that while every man differeth from other in constitution, they differ also one from another concerning the common distinction of good and evil. Nor is there any such thing as agathon aplox, that is to say, simply good. For even the goodness which we attribute to God Almighty, is his goodness to us. And as we call good and evil the things that please and displease; so call we goodness and badness, the qualities or powers whereby they do it."

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Originally written by Macrsp:


"Do what you want" also leads to revolution. It breeds weakness into empires and is very important in the rise and fall of nations. Part the challenge for any society is to balance "restraint" with "freedom" in an equilibrium so that the people remain "strong" but happy.

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Originally written by 2disbetter:

Religion if anything provides a sense of order to an otherwise chaotic human order.

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Restraint has become the words of old boring men.

The only thing countering this in todays society is religion.

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Blaming religion as the root of all evil is not only immature, but very very not well thought out.

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... and furthermore that evil is not an item or thing, it comes from individuals. Murder would not happen had someone not committed it, and this line of reasoning can go on and on forever. We as humans are accountable for our own actions... whethey they be good or bad. My personal beliefs are that there is a head of evil... we all know its name.

To blame something or someone other than ourselves for evil is simply missing the point.

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BTW this post is not to belittle or demoralize anyone elses beliefs. I respect everyones opinions. Its variety that gives the world its flair.

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Originally written by FatBatMonkey:

Actually, the modern cause of evil is boredom. We are all supposed to live in a modern age where life is easy. Unfortunately, in the average area, there are not enough amenities to take care of all the extra time. So we are used to squandering and wasting time.

If everyone had something to do, then there wouldn't be a group of people sitting around and thinking about declaring war on another country or going out and blowing up a train.

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Originally written by Eggs with Toast:

I am not a programmer, but here is the link to Dev- C++

Dev C++

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Originally written by Kelandon:


Does anyone know of a program other than Project Builder that I can get cheap or for free for a Mac that will be easier than using a text editor?

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Originally written by Kelandon:


EDIT: As a sidenote, Arenax claimed that as he was looking through the BoA Editor source code, he noticed that at some point Jeff had actually switched from C to C++. Has anyone else observed this?

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Originally written by Arenax:

Are you guys actively trying to get me not to do this?

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Originally written by Arenax:

Are you guys actively trying to get me not to do this?

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Originally written by Arenax:


And I'm sure you just glossed over that I didn't care to spend weeks doing it, but hey.

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Originally written by Arenax:


And I'm sure you just glossed over that I didn't care to spend weeks doing it, but hey.

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Originally written by Dastal:

KernelKnowledge, if it's such an easy process, and you have already figured it out, you should have no problem quickly converting the Mac 3D BoA editor to Windows.

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