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Release the old games as freeware? in General
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I do not think that jamesmcm has done much to qualify himself to have an opinion at this point.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
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Avernum 5, May Update in Avernum 4
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quote:
Originally written by JMAN123:

On another note, Kelandon, if it were indeed similar to your Exodus, would that really be such a malady to our experience?
Your meaning is obscure.

What I was saying is that Jeff will make something in the same vein as what I made, but much better, and I will play A5 with a constant sense of shame for having been so severely outdone. I don't know that it will impact anyone else in quite the same way.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Avernum 5, May Update in Avernum 4
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Huh. That's funny. It sounds as though Jeff is trying to do the same thing that I was trying to do in Exodus. Now he'll put me to shame, and as I play A5, I'll have to keep reminding myself that this is his full-time job, and I just was working on evenings and weekends to make that scenario.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
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Experience points in Avernum 4
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I don't think he actually plays many Spidweb games, for sure. GF has exactly what he's talking about, so the obvious thing to say here is, "I wish A4 was more like the GF series in terms of accommodating different playing styles," but he didn't say that. Ergo, he probably hasn't played GF (or is just a troll).

I've never found Avernum combat tedious. I only rarely find Blades combat tedious, either (NM comes to mind), though, so I may not be the best example here.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Regulation - Complexity sidebar in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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quote:
Originally written by Stillness:

I'm satisfied with my presentation of my argument up until this point.
You are only proving SoT's point more.

You've gone at least twenty pages avoiding SoT's fairly simple question, which was posed within the first few pages of the original thread. You're okay with that?

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Pied Piper Project IV: A New Bot in General
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quote:
Originally written by Dr. Johann Georg Faust:

(I'm not Google :P ).
Pssh, only for lack of effort. :P

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Regulation - Complexity sidebar in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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quote:
Originally written by Stillness:

But, at this point I'll insist that you and SoT do the same as I did before I engage you anymore. I think it will be very revealing. I don't see that as an unreasonable request or out of harmony with our current place in this discussion.
The problem is that if someone presents an argument for evolution, you'll get distracted attacking it, and you'll conveniently forget to address the fact that your argument doesn't make any sense. This has been happening for twenty-five pages. Whenever you come across something you find difficult to answer, you change the subject. I'm not going to let the subject change here.
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You think it has holes then let's talk about it.
Yes, let's! Let me remind you what you have to answer.
quote:
Originally written by Student of Trinity:

I'm still waiting to hear why seeing design produce Stillness's kind of irreducible complexity today implies that it can only ever have occurred through design. Otherwise he has an argument that cats must be black because he has seen some black cats.
In other words, I claim that the statement, "Irreducibly complex systems are a result of purposeful agency," has not been adequately shown to be true. I'll assume as true the statement, "Irreducibly complex systems that have been created within the past few decades under our verified observation have all been the result of purposeful agency," for the sake of discussion, but you have to get from the latter statement to the former somehow. How do you propose to do it?

[ Thursday, May 24, 2007 08:17: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Released in Nethergate
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Under "Discounts, Promotions, and Replacements" at the bottom of the ordering page, there's a box to check that says, "I registered Nethergate, give me $13 off on Nethergate: Resurrection." Check that box.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Regulation - Complexity sidebar in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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1) Let's say that I don't and see where that gets us. I claim that I can concede that point and your argument still doesn't work. (At this point, I've forgotten whatever I was thinking of, anyway.)

2) Who really gives a damn at this point whether your definition matches anyone else's? That's the point of you stating clearly what you're trying to say, with terms defined and premises explained fully: you don't have to match anyone else's definition, as long as you give one yourself and your definition works within your argument.

3) The reason that no one has is that it's irrelevant to whether your argument makes any sense or not. Right now, the only claim that I'm making (and I think the only claim that anyone else here other than you is making) is that what you're saying doesn't make any sense.

In other words, I'll concede 1) and 2) for the purposes of continuing this discussion, and I claim that 3) is irrelevant, and I still want you to do what I asked in my last post (which is the same thing as what SoT is asking, so answer either one of us should probably be sufficient).

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Add free-roam features in Avernum 4
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Kelandon would like you all to know that he is a benevolent moderator.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Regulation - Complexity sidebar in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Now you're going back to your second 1-3 argument, which is (yet again) not identical, logically, to the 1-10 argument that you just presented. You're flip-flopping incessantly!

Is your 1-3 argument supposed to be your definitive, logically valid argument or not? If so, you've been called on point 1. Defend it! Show that it has some basis in reality!

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Regulation - Complexity sidebar in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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quote:
Originally written by Stillness:

Show me the logic behind common descent.
quote:
Originally written by Kelandon:

Can you use the premises you've presented, particularly 9) and 10), to present a logically valid argument that produces your subsidiary conclusion 1) above ("Irreducibly complex systems are a result of purposeful agency"), making clear what all your premises, assumptions, and conclusions are?
Until you do this, there's no point in presenting an argument for common descent, because you haven't presented an argument for creationism.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Regulation - Complexity sidebar in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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The problem, Stillness, is that the argument that you are now making is not the argument that you were making before. You keep changing your argument. Trying to pin down what you are saying is like nailing jello to the wall.

Before you say that you've been saying points 1-10 since the beginning, note that you didn't say them when asked exactly what your premises were and exactly what your conclusions were from those premises. You presented a fundamentally different argument.

You seem to have given up on answering the question as to what your premises and conclusions are, because the 1-10 that you presented does not by any stretch of the imagination give a argument that is sound in its formal logic.

Let's not give up on logic, because it would reveal at least what your argument is, which to this point has been obscure. Can you use the premises you've presented, particularly 9) and 10), to present a logically valid argument that produces your subsidiary conclusion 1) above ("Irreducibly complex systems are a result of purposeful agency"), making clear what all your premises, assumptions, and conclusions are?

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Release the old games as freeware? in General
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quote:
Originally written by Dr. Alorael:

Richard White is not Jeff's to make free.
Yea, for the Almight White knows no master, being a power unto himself! (etc.)

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Released in Nethergate
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quote:
Originally written by Spidweb:

So if you missed the old engine, here it is again.
I did. My only qualm about the engine is that I liked the original Nethergate engine. So we'll see.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Released in Nethergate
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Me too. In short order, if I decide the engine is acceptable, I will be buying it.

EDIT: Hmm. It appears that it really does use exactly the BoA engine. Curiouser and curiouser.

[ Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:04: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Release the old games as freeware? in General
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Well, the source for BoE just got released. I'm not sure exactly what Jeff has in mind for the Exile Trilogy at this point, but it already has a hefty price discount.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Costuming Ideas in General
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Some people like to have fun, Mars.

And fancy phrases are fine. It's meaningless phrases that are the problem.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Jeff Interview at IMG in General
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I'm pretty sure I wouldn't listen to the music that Jeff packaged, but I suppose he could include the option to turn it off. I am not sure how much your average MIDI adds, but dial-up is not extinct in Jeff's fanbase, even if it is unusual among gamers in general. Jeff's fanbase is not by any means a demographically standard cross-section of gamers.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Add free-roam features in Avernum 4
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Wouldn't using the Avernum engine make it basically not a roguelike anymore? Also, Spidweb has said that multi-player is probably just not going to happen within their games.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Moderators in General
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For the record, I was just teasing, not actually insulting Iffy. But with all the talk of intelligence, this thread is getting dumb fast.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
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Regulations in General
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It's hard to make a good argument, but what continually surprises me is how hard it is to get others to recognize a good argument. What interests me, I suppose, is why some people, even when they are certainly right and are presenting accurate arguments, can still be unconvincing to many.

I forget, sometimes, that most people need some formal training even to be able to recognize a good argument, much less make one.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Heaven in The Avernum Trilogy
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Why don't you start by saying something interesting that people want to respond to?

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Moderators in General
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quote:
Originally written by Infernal Flamming Muffin:

(Yelling at me for asking this was kind of like yelling at a dog for not flushing a toilet when it does not know how)
Normally we like to think that members around here have an intelligence somewhat higher than the average dog. We'll know not to make that mistake with you next time. :P

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Jeff Interview at IMG in General
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quote:
Originally written by Spidweb:

As long as I live and breathe and there are new generations of gamers who are discovering rpgs, I am going to update my games so that they run on comtemporary machines and have the flashiest everything I am capable, with my limited skills, of providing. And when I die, I'll make sure all the source code is released, so anyone who cares can do the same.
I was under the impression that you'd basically accomplished this when you Carbonized stuff (and then, I think, Universalized it). What more do you need to do to keep the games accessible?

If you're just going to update Avernum to be more flashy, I'm not sure that you have a good idea. As you know, your games are never going to be as flashy or graphically impressive as the big titles. Old-school is forever, though, and Avernum is old-school. People are going to want to play games that look and feel like Avernum until the end of time, extra flash or no.

I'm all in favor of keeping games functional on modern computers, but that's not quite the same as doing a re-write as Avernum was of Exile.

But then, I suppose you probably know what you're doing.

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Oh, and I have exactly no plans for new Avernum games past 6 and Geneforge games past 5. It will be past time for something all new.
I think we're all looking forward to something new. :)

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me
The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever
Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00

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