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girlz place in General
Shock Trooper
Member # 3980
Profile Homepage #31
quote:
Originally written by Logalot:
... a myth that only the man should ask the woman out.

Doesn't this "myth" somehow go together with
quote:
Originally written by spy.there:
Shyness can be very attractive.
The one who asks puts himself into a vulnerable position - that of possibly being rejected, i.e. he renounces dominance and shows some modesty.

Is this not what Sir David said about RP-partners
quote:

Oh yeah, also, a good RPer MUST be modest, and willing to use a weak character.

Compare this to the amount of self-control suggested by Bladesman Wasazore's quote (my personal apologies for quoting this in a different context)
quote:

If you look like this and I meet you on the street, run. I will chase you down and attempt to stick it into you by any means possible.

the idea of "love" signalled in the "I'm A Whore "'s (my personal apologies for quoting this in a different context)
quote:

May a burly Mexican spirit you away at night and teach you how to love.

I mean I do understand prem's
quote:

Indeed. You guys make me want to hug you.
*hugs*
[Smile]

but this is probably meant to occur
quote:
originally written by Sauders
from a safe distance? There is something wrong with this?
and not at the end of an evening out when Bladesman Wasazore's advice quoted above (my personal apologies for quoting this in a different context) may be more appropiate - please correct me if I am wrong.
(Although the limited selfcontrol at the right moment may be attractive too... It is like prem wrote
quote:
It's all about personality.
P.S.
I am not brave enough to mention a certain desperado community in this context and even less quote any remarks about pedophelia for fear of burly mexicans to say nothing of the sniping...

[ Sunday, February 22, 2004 05:02: Message edited by: Your Fellow Procrastinator ]

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Wisdom grows from trying to find structure in our experience - looking backwards in time - while living goes forward.
Theories are expectations that help us live forward - like possible ways to put the mosaic together. If they are worth the effort to remember, they should predict something and in case the prediction does not work out with time they should autodestruct.
And then there is something that we cannot test - something we have inherited in form of customs, attitudes, culture and the spirit of stories told and retold - that is like our individual SQUARE ONE.
This runs deeper than we can know.
Posts: 311 | Registered: Friday, February 13 2004 08:00
Looking for some humor on the lads vs. chicks topic in General
Shock Trooper
Member # 3980
Profile Homepage #0
Reading the "what kinds of girls ..." and the "girlz ..." threats I got depressed.
For cheering me up I am looking for some humor on that topic.
I did read the "Bridget Jones's Diary" by Helen Fielding and found it partially somewhat amusing.
Does anybody know something better?
I am not even asking for "Hitchhiker's guide" quality of humor.

Any recommendations on e.g.
"The Girls' Guide to Hunting and Fishing" by Melissa Bank
"Booty Nomad," by Scott Mebus (Miramax)
"Love Monkey" by Kyle Smith (William Morrow's)
"Men and Other Mammals" aka "My Fat Brother" in Britain by Jim Keeble (Hyperion Books)
"About a Boy" or "High Fidelity" by Nick Hornby
"Two to Go" by Nick Earls
"A Million Little Pieces," by James Frey
I know none of these books yet.

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Wisdom grows from trying to find structure in our experience - looking backwards in time - while living goes forward.
Theories are expectations that help us live forward - like possible ways to put the mosaic together. If they are worth the effort to remember, they should predict something and in case the prediction does not work out with time they should autodestruct.
And then there is something that we cannot test - something we have inherited in form of customs, attitudes, culture and the spirit of stories told and retold - that is like our individual SQUARE ONE.
This runs deeper than we can know.
Posts: 311 | Registered: Friday, February 13 2004 08:00
Who cares anymore. Not me. in General
Shock Trooper
Member # 3980
Profile Homepage #31
Dear Sirs, (are there no ladies in this wrestling for better understanding?)

I am impressed by Mr. Holmes' enlightened and enlightening posts and - Mr. Holmes - I agree with most of your general statements. Your post is completely at odds with the impression I got from your post about the communication disorder syndrome in the "good laptops ..." thread – I suddenly notice that you have become a living person for me. Actually, this means that my inner attitude has changed towards you and this is my responsibility – even if I express it as if you had changed. When will we ever learn?

I have often felt similar anger towards teachers who have criticized students as if the students were lab rats who are not supposed to feel pain. Mentioning the shortcomingsin the students writing rather than the laudable aspects may have saved some teacher's time and may have been motivated by the attempt to direct the students on what they should set their goal on - but the undertone was utterly depressing for the students rather than encouraging. I hated these imbecile teachers!
Then I found out that these "wretched creatures" (my emotion at that time) did not do this for some sadistic purpose but with perfectly benevolent intentions combined with insensitivity. They made a U-turn in this respect without any sign of emotion or even surprise whenever they noticed that the respective student was a person. Maybe the teachers did not even notice their change in attitude.
If professional teachers show such stunning shortcomings - who am I to expect perfection from the fellow members of this community?

Let us be more patient with each other. Amen (I hope this does not offend anybody.)

On the other hand, I have read parts of the Avernum RP and I find Mr. Arancaytar's comments very much to the point and not directed at the person. The "psychiatrist" was just funny and not malicious.
I could not find any essential connection between Mr. Holmes' posts and the rest of the action. Did none of the participants notice this or did they just pretend so? What could they have done?

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Wisdom grows from trying to find structure in our experience - looking backwards in time - while living goes forward.
Theories are expectations that help us live forward - like possible ways to put the mosaic together. If they are worth the effort to remember, they should predict something and in case the prediction does not work out with time they should autodestruct.
And then there is something that we cannot test - something we have inherited in form of customs, attitudes, culture and the spirit of stories told and retold - that is like our individual SQUARE ONE.
This runs deeper than we can know.
Posts: 311 | Registered: Friday, February 13 2004 08:00
Who cares anymore. Not me. in General
Shock Trooper
Member # 3980
Profile Homepage #14
Dear Mr. Morgan,
Maybe the following questions are worthwhile to consider instead:

Assume I want to signal my care for others - without intruding, patronizing nor exhausting anybody, e.g. in order to earn the respect of my sophisticated RP-partners and to put them into a cooperative mood - actually that is the case right now.
How would I accomplish this with minimal means in an RP without slowing down the action?

Could it be that such a signal is what some sophisticated fellow RPers have been missing from certain posts in the past and that the less subliminal venting of their disappointment is what has been perceived as picking at the receiving end - causing intolerable stress and this threa(d/t)?

P.S.
Hey, all you Gurus, Wise Men and Ladies who read this.
Is there any emergency etiquette procedure to reestablish the feeling of mutual respect for those concerned? Please!

[ Thursday, February 19, 2004 08:45: Message edited by: Your Fellow Procrastinator ]

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Wisdom grows from trying to find structure in our experience - looking backwards in time - while living goes forward.
Theories are expectations that help us live forward - like possible ways to put the mosaic together. If they are worth the effort to remember, they should predict something and in case the prediction does not work out with time they should autodestruct.
And then there is something that we cannot test - something we have inherited in form of customs, attitudes, culture and the spirit of stories told and retold - that is like our individual SQUARE ONE.
This runs deeper than we can know.
Posts: 311 | Registered: Friday, February 13 2004 08:00
Who cares anymore. Not me. in General
Shock Trooper
Member # 3980
Profile Homepage #8
Dear Mr. Holmes,

I am completely flabbergasted at your emotional announcement of your intention to leave this lively and inspiring community. Could it be that there is just a misunderstanding?

In other spiritual habitats, I myself have felt similar to what you communicate at the moment: that I had invested much more emotional energy than the other group members could appreciate or even notice because - as I realized in hindsight - I had not been listening to them. The "tune" I was "singing" may have been an artitically magnificient work of art but it was out of tune with the others.

I later found out that listening and understanding what the others mean takes much more effort and intelligence than shouting against the wind with ears wide shut - and Sherlock Holmes is a role model to me in the art of listening.

On this board, I have already received so much of friendly advice - even before taking part in any play-by-post-RPing - that I feel like composing a HOW-TO-RP for beginners.
May I ask whether you could contribute some of your experience - before you carry out your threat? Please!

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Wisdom grows from trying to find structure in our experience - looking backwards in time - while living goes forward.
Theories are expectations that help us live forward - like possible ways to put the mosaic together. If they are worth the effort to remember, they should predict something and in case the prediction does not work out with time they should autodestruct.
And then there is something that we cannot test - something we have inherited in form of customs, attitudes, culture and the spirit of stories told and retold - that is like our individual SQUARE ONE.
This runs deeper than we can know.
Posts: 311 | Registered: Friday, February 13 2004 08:00
Good laptops, and syndrome diagnosis. in General
Shock Trooper
Member # 3980
Profile Homepage #9
See http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/ for details on the current definition of and current views on Asperger S.. DSM IV refers to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders - Fourth Edition (DSM-IV), published by the American Psychiatric Association, Washington D.C., 1994, It is the main diagnostic reference of Mental Health professionals in the United States of America.

Alorael, I agree with you up to what you subsume as "the trick".
I agree that - if we let down our natural barriers against self-inspection and explore ourselves closely - we are all likely to find personality features in ourselves that - in extreme pure form - constitute the caricatures found in mental disorders.
Many medical students suffer from this when they learn about the plethora of possible mental disorders and they realize how much they have in common with the respective patients.

This is no wonder as our learning is based on first understanding the simple pure cases - which may be caricatures of everyday life - and then progressing towards the complex cases found in "normal" life.

The "tricky" question is:
Do we manage to balance our dominant traits with our intellect and psychic stamina or do we let ourselves be dominated to the extent that our life is restricted - in more than one dimension - by the same personality trait (which becomes a disorder then).
There is a fine line between becoming aware of one's own Asperger trait and trying to balance it (possibly by help of professional advice) on one hand and suffering from Asperger syndrome on the other.
A good psychiatrist would be aware of the self-fulfilling tendency of a diagnosis and NOT base it only on the the aspect of prospective earnings...

Your observation that "treatment" may be helpful is no proof for a diagnosis of a disorder.
Mental balance can be trained up to point - possibly enhanced by doping - and this may be beneficial in coping with the tasks ahead - like training helps in any sport.

Seeking the professional help of a personality coach may be beneficial and whether treatment is covered by an insurance may depend on the acceptance of a (possibly stigmatizing) diagnosis.

[ Wednesday, February 18, 2004 20:25: Message edited by: Your Fellow Procrastinator ]

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Wisdom grows from trying to find structure in our experience - looking backwards in time - while living goes forward.
Theories are expectations that help us live forward - like possible ways to put the mosaic together. If they are worth the effort to remember, they should predict something and in case the prediction does not work out with time they should autodestruct.
And then there is something that we cannot test - something we have inherited in form of customs, attitudes, culture and the spirit of stories told and retold - that is like our individual SQUARE ONE.
This runs deeper than we can know.
Posts: 311 | Registered: Friday, February 13 2004 08:00
A little thought experiment in General
Shock Trooper
Member # 3980
Profile Homepage #27
Sorry

[ Wednesday, February 18, 2004 13:19: Message edited by: Your Fellow Procrastinator ]

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Wisdom grows from trying to find structure in our experience - looking backwards in time - while living goes forward.
Theories are expectations that help us live forward - like possible ways to put the mosaic together. If they are worth the effort to remember, they should predict something and in case the prediction does not work out with time they should autodestruct.
And then there is something that we cannot test - something we have inherited in form of customs, attitudes, culture and the spirit of stories told and retold - that is like our individual SQUARE ONE.
This runs deeper than we can know.
Posts: 311 | Registered: Friday, February 13 2004 08:00
A little thought experiment in General
Shock Trooper
Member # 3980
Profile Homepage #25
Where is the paradox?
Even after reading http://hometown.aol.com/kiekeben/newcomb.html.
I doubt whether I have to understand how the prediction works in order to take advantage of it.

Consider the crude assumption that the prediction is right in x*100% (e.g. 90% for x=0.9) of all cases, i.e. ignore the difference between false positive and false negative predictions:

If I take both boxes, the chance to get only 1,000 is x*100% and the chance to get 1,001,000 is (1-x)*100%. This expectation is worth x*1000 +(1-x)* 1,001,000= 1,001,000-x*(1,000,000).
For x=0.9 this means 101,000.

If I take only box B, I have x*100% chance to get 1,000,000 and (1-x)*100% chance to get nothing. This expectation is worth x*1,000,000, i.e. for x=0.9 : 900,000.

The crossover between the two expectations occurs for x=1,001,000/2,000,000 = 0.5005.
The possibility for a predictability with such a small accuracy (i.e. deviation from a random prediction) could have easily gone unnoticed
over the ages of everyday life.

On the other hand, the existence of my free will has not been "proven" to me - free will is just some folklore illusion many of us believe in. Ok, it has not proven inconsistent over ages of everyday life...

P.S.
I also want it to be known that I intend to take only box B - to make sure that my choice will be predicted correctly if the situation ever becomes reality.

[ Wednesday, February 18, 2004 13:41: Message edited by: Your Fellow Procrastinator ]

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Wisdom grows from trying to find structure in our experience - looking backwards in time - while living goes forward.
Theories are expectations that help us live forward - like possible ways to put the mosaic together. If they are worth the effort to remember, they should predict something and in case the prediction does not work out with time they should autodestruct.
And then there is something that we cannot test - something we have inherited in form of customs, attitudes, culture and the spirit of stories told and retold - that is like our individual SQUARE ONE.
This runs deeper than we can know.
Posts: 311 | Registered: Friday, February 13 2004 08:00
What kind of RP partners would you like most? in General
Shock Trooper
Member # 3980
Profile Homepage #22
Thank you for all your enlightening answers!

Now "the yearning for some ideal RP partners" no longer "appears to me much closer to fulfilment on this board than ..." but just as difficult as most other things that are worthwhile to pursue in real life.

Is there any elementary task that a bloody beginner to the ART OF RPing like myself could have a realistic chance to accomplish with some minimal grace, i.e. without provoking death threats/wishes or amateur psychiatrist treatment?

The texts I produce for a living adhere to strict rules in structure and content. They are not supposed to be "creative" although they are very much so, imho.

Your fellow procrastinator - who might be encouraged by some old moonlight submarine gang
(http://content.barewalls.com/closeup/j8lif06020888c.jpg)to join the prohibition cast.

Alorael, may I license your style of personal self-commenting? - at least for occasional use?

[ Wednesday, February 18, 2004 03:17: Message edited by: Your Fellow Procrastinator ]

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Wisdom grows from trying to find structure in our experience - looking backwards in time - while living goes forward.
Theories are expectations that help us live forward - like possible ways to put the mosaic together. If they are worth the effort to remember, they should predict something and in case the prediction does not work out with time they should autodestruct.
And then there is something that we cannot test - something we have inherited in form of customs, attitudes, culture and the spirit of stories told and retold - that is like our individual SQUARE ONE.
This runs deeper than we can know.
Posts: 311 | Registered: Friday, February 13 2004 08:00
What kind of RP partners would you like most? in General
Shock Trooper
Member # 3980
Profile Homepage #0
Read through some recent RPs and just registered to ask this question.
The yearning for some ideal RP partners appears to me much closer to fulfilment on this board than the more (carnal/fleshly/sensual/animal) preferences or desires that can be discussed here only in theory - at the price of preventing oneself to make any progress towards fulfilment in reality.

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Wisdom grows from trying to find structure in our experience - looking backwards in time - while living goes forward.
Theories are expectations that help us live forward - like possible ways to put the mosaic together. If they are worth the effort to remember, they should predict something and in case the prediction does not work out with time they should autodestruct.
And then there is something that we cannot test - something we have inherited in form of customs, attitudes, culture and the spirit of stories told and retold - that is like our individual SQUARE ONE.
This runs deeper than we can know.
Posts: 311 | Registered: Friday, February 13 2004 08:00

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