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Yes, it should be in the Geneforge Series forum. but Nalyd was here and is lazy.

The pun in the title was intentional.

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The Awakened founder would be Ellrah, and the Drakon Taker leader would be Easss, I believe.

I voted Awakened (GF2 incarnation), because I liked that ending, although I suppose the Trakovite ending to GF4 was similar in some ways.

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Actually, I think this forum is appropriate.

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Originally by Micawber:

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I voted Awakened (GF2 incarnation), because I liked that ending, although I suppose the Trakovite ending to GF4 was similar in some ways.
The G2 Awakened ending didn't have nearly so much at stake as the G4 ending (the fate of one mountain range vs. the known world), so it felt very different to me.

Hmm. Releasing hordes of drakons to win victory is getting to be quite a cliche, isn't it?

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Anyone who votes for the Awakened is akin to an animal rights activist who is also a humanitarian.

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This is defamation. Infiltrators are efficient and highly loyal forces. Why will everyone insist on calling them traitors?

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Battle Omega, huh? Don't worry, I don't blame you for the typo. I wonder what that would look like...perhaps an Omega on his chest? I love Omegas.

I'm surprised to see that so many people love the Awakened. I like them too, but this is interesting. If there was a sect similar to the G2 Takers made up of creations/serviles only but had more Awakened-like views, they would be like me because I really love creations and I'm always wanting them to be free.

Did anyone else get Aran's Infiltrator joke?

[ Monday, August 13, 2007 05:27: Message edited by: Die Kasecuchen ]

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Aran was refering to the fact that two polls, the other being the "Favorite Class" poll, have mispelled "infiltrator" as "infiltraitor".

I support the Awakened. Also, I protest Suspicious Vlish. Serviles aren't animals. They're sentient, intelligent beings.

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*COUGH*
Animals aren't just those "other creatures".

Everyone in the Animal Kingdom is an animal.
For example, bugs are animals too.

However, plants are plants.
Bacteria is bacteria (There are two different kingdoms).
And so on.

Though I find it funny how when you say animal, little kids think of those in the phylum chordata.

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Actually, the other poll had "Infinitraitor".

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Infinitraitor!
Having Infinitor power!
*sigh*

You can't expect everyone to spell correctly.

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quote:
Originally written by No more muffins:

*COUGH*
Animals aren't just those "other creatures".

Everyone in the Animal Kingdom is an animal.
For example, bugs are animals too.

However, plants are plants.
Bacteria is bacteria (There are two different kingdoms).
And so on.

Though I find it funny how when you say animal, little kids think of those in the phylum chordata.

Muffin, don't be a know-it-all. I am fully aware that technically Serviles and Humans are animals. We were using a different definition then the scientific one. In fact, it's listed here in the second definition.

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I had no intention of being a know-it-all.
I was just explaining it scientifically.

I guess I did sound like a know-it-all.
Oh well, non of us are perfect.
But many of us here are intelligent.

Edit -And I like the scientific definition. It is much more easy to understand. Yes, I do sort of have a religion, but I also use scientific facts.

[ Monday, August 13, 2007 06:29: Message edited by: No more muffins ]

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Using science to trump language isn't being scientific. It's being deliberately obtuse.

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Argh.

—Alorael, who is guilty of a very minor but embarassing crime. Pointing it out would be both mean and spam. Seriously!

[ Monday, August 13, 2007 07:25: Message edited by: Ekahedron ]
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Okay, I never meant any harm by it...I was just stating my point.

Lets just forget about this and move on.

I also say that double posts are not a crime if ubb/your computer is responsible. Or if you have a good reason.

Edit -I'm I the only one that likes the guardian/warrior class? I know it is pathetic...but I still like it.

[ Monday, August 13, 2007 07:40: Message edited by: No more muffins ]

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You misspelled "none". :P

Also, religion and science are not incompatible.

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quote:
—Alorael, who is guilty of a very minor but embarassing crime. Pointing it out would be both mean and spam. Seriously!
Apologies, but that is the most defective comma Dikiyoba has ever seen. It looks more like a period. And your em-dash is crooked! Take some pride in your work, why don't you? :P
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Leftist:

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I support the Awakened. Also, I protest Suspicious Vlish. Serviles aren't animals. They're sentient, intelligent beings.

You missed the point. I'm not trying to compare animals to serviles. What I am doing is pointing out that Awakened philosophy contains certain beliefs that are contradictory, much like the individual who is a humanitarian, but also wants to promote animal rights.

The Awakened wish for coexistence with the Shapers. They also believe that they should have the right to exist as independent autonomous beings.
These two ideologies are inherently contradictory. Creations can't coexist as autonomous beings while Shapers still holding significant power. Such a dream is the equivalent of Jews believing that they can remain autonomous while coexisting with the Nazis. Pure absurdity.

This is why the Taker ideology (and methodology) is so much more tenable.

[ Wednesday, August 15, 2007 00:26: Message edited by: Suspicious Vlish ]

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Nonsense. In G4, when playing a Servile, you receive only token hatred from only a select few full Shapers.

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I question that analogy, Vlish. The Shapers are a civilization. They have an ideology. National Socialism is an ideology. This ideology, by definition, would prevent peaceful, independent coexistence.

The Awakened, however, do not seek to coexist with the Shapers' racist ideology, they seek to coexist with the Shapers by changing their ideology (and they do have Shaper sympathizers, so this could work).

To fix the analogy, Jews and Germans can coexist when the Germans are not Nazis.

[ Wednesday, August 15, 2007 07:12: Message edited by: root ]

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Awekened sooner or later will get what they want, not all, but noone will kill them on a whim. Just because it's economically sound for Shapers to have higly controllable source of simple things like pods/spores/living tools etc. Using more powerful shaping techs will be punished, in usual Shapers way - to death ^_^
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At one perfect day serviles and all other intelligent creations will be completely banned and exterminated. Stupid but simple and working way to eliminate threat of another rebellion.

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root:
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I question that analogy, Vlish. The Shapers are a civilization.

No they aren't. That's the equivalent of claiming the aristocrats of medieval France were a civilization. Shapers are merely a strata of said society. Normal humans and creations make up the majority (from what we have seen).

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They have an ideology. National Socialism is an ideology

Huh?

Nazis had an ideology. Shapers have an ideology. The mere act of being a Shaper means you must adopt the ideology of Shaper supremacy. If the Shapers find out that they you sympathize with Creations, they drop you faster than a hot potato.

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The Awakened, however, do not seek to coexist with the Shapers' racist ideology, they seek to coexist with the Shapers by changing their ideology (and they do have Shaper sympathizers, so this could work).

Which is impossible. Unless the Shapers are pushed to the brink of extinction, and have no choice but to surrender. That's exactly what the Takers are aiming for, and good luck to them.

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To fix the analogy, Jews and Germans can coexist when the Germans are not Nazis.

Your analogy is crap.

Humans and creations might be able coexist, when humans are not Shapers.

The mere act of being a part of Shaper society requires you to adopt certain beliefs, which are directly contradictory to creation and human autonomy.

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Always with the reference to Nazi's.... Someone is definately going to mention that one "law"... Why am I the only one who voted for the Obeyers up to date... Long live the Obeyers!

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What law?

You mean Godwin's?

And if so, so what?

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