Percieved Sympothies
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Shock Trooper
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written Sunday, February 18 2007 11:39
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I have recently played through all the Geneforge series (all loyalist, no canisters except in G1 and no magic or shaping in G4) and was just wondering the general concensious was on who you sympotized with and who you may think Jeff sypothizes with based on the script. I know that Jeff can't comment on who he may or may not like more, but I'd like to see how people think based off the script. P.S. I think that Jeff did a good job at making it controversal as to who you favor and doesn't obviously favor one or the other. I'm just wonding how people feel. [ Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:41: Message edited by: Retlaw May ] Poll Information This poll contains 3 question(s). 25 user(s) have voted. You may not view the results of this poll without voting. function launch_voter () { launch_window("http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=poll;d=vote;pollid=VXjIbbwjSesf"); return true; } // end launch_voter function launch_viewer () { launch_window("http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=poll;d=view;pollid=VXjIbbwjSesf"); return true; } // end launch_viewer function launch_window (url) { preview = window.open( url, "preview", "width=550,height=300,toolbar=no,location=no,directories=no,status,menubar=no,scrollbars,resizable,copyhistory=no" ); window.preview.focus(); return preview; } // end launch_window   -------------------- "After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one." - Cato the Elder (234-149 BC) "The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process." -Kripke "One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly." -Friedich Nietzche Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Sunday, February 18 2007 11:52
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I tend to sympathize with the Shapers. They pretty much keep everything nice and peaceful, but then the rebels come along and start blowing everything up. The Shapers may be cruel but at least they didn't butcher innocent civilians. Furthermore, because of the rebels, the Trakovites have risen up in the carnage and started sending people on a crusade against Shaping in general. I think Jeff sympathizes with the rebels. It feels like he is constantly trying to hold the rebels up in a good light. So I think we differ in opinion there. -------------------- Scenarios need reviews! Please rate these scenarios at the CSR after playing them! Amnesia • Dilecia • The Empire's New Grove • Express Delivery Twilight Valley • Witch Hunt • Where the Rivers Meet • Foul Hordes Posts: 2686 | Registered: Friday, September 8 2006 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Sunday, February 18 2007 12:04
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Actually you and I are pretty much on the same page except I don't think Shapers are that cruel, overbearing though. -------------------- "After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one." - Cato the Elder (234-149 BC) "The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process." -Kripke "One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly." -Friedich Nietzche Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Sunday, February 18 2007 12:16
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I meant like the cages in Dillame, where rebels are left to starve, or creation rights, which is pretty much the only part of the rebel philosophy with which I agree. -------------------- Scenarios need reviews! Please rate these scenarios at the CSR after playing them! Amnesia • Dilecia • The Empire's New Grove • Express Delivery Twilight Valley • Witch Hunt • Where the Rivers Meet • Foul Hordes Posts: 2686 | Registered: Friday, September 8 2006 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Sunday, February 18 2007 13:28
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Jeff seemed to split the Rebels into different factions with Drakons representing the most extreme and Litalia now part of the group that thinks they went too far. There is now a more moderate Rebel force that wants to be left alone somewhere safe from Shaper control. The Trakovites are the voice of reason in Shaping has gotten completely out of control. There are eliminated for spreading the truth. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Sunday, February 18 2007 14:53
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But the more moderate leaders still supported the Unbound project. -------------------- "After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one." - Cato the Elder (234-149 BC) "The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process." -Kripke "One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly." -Friedich Nietzche Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Sunday, February 18 2007 15:18
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It's strange because I always thought Jeff sympathized with the Awakened, given that they were the most moderate and easiest to sympathize with in the first two games. But then they were gone... I was going to say that now Jeff sympathized with the rebels, the human rebels like Greta, not the drakons, because they are the ones truely struggling for a cause they beleive in. Then I realized you left out the Trakovites. Jeff is clearly a Trakovite. He is writing the games to make shaping look bad, and he is succeeding. People hesitate to side with either the Shapers or the Rebels, because both seem to have more flaws than good points. He made the Trakovites seems life a noble moderate sect that wanted to save the world when really they are just terrorists who will doom it. He is favoring these radicals but by making them a 'hidden sect' it is not so obvious. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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Councilor
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written Sunday, February 18 2007 15:49
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Originally by Emperor Tullegolar: quote:That's what Dikiyoba would guess as well. Edit: Fixed quote. [ Sunday, February 18, 2007 15:50: Message edited by: Dikiyoba ] Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Sunday, February 18 2007 16:47
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I left it out because I wanted to polarize the more traditional conflict, I didn't forget about them. But it is easy to be a martyr in the game, but I doubt many people would really want to fight for a lost cause. -------------------- "After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one." - Cato the Elder (234-149 BC) "The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process." -Kripke "One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly." -Friedich Nietzche Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Sunday, February 18 2007 16:57
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I agree, Jeff is most definitely a Trako. So am I actually, although in this poll I had to side with the Shapers. Posts: 626 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Sunday, February 18 2007 18:47
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I can sympathize with the Trakovites, but that's about it. There might be revelations later in the game that prove me wrong, but I doubt you can put the genie back in the bottle. All it took was one apprentice coming across Sucia Island to undo the attempt to bury the Geneforge and the canisters after all. Having a philosophy that can easily be undone by a young lad or lass wandering the ruins of the world searching for that next point of experience seems like a poor way to try to remake society. I've traditionally sided with the Shapers in G1-3 (including the unaligned rather than Loyalist approach in G2) albeit with Khyrkk like viewpoints (ie, don't screw up the world but don't be a jerk either) but in G4 it's been harder to really choose a side. Perhaps it's because many of the early chances to help the Shapers don't really give you a motivation as to why you would betray the Rebellion outside of bettering your standing with the Shapers. Usually when I have so far, it's because the Shapers ask me to help someone who the Rebels want to just kill or it's a servile that likes the Shapers and wants to return to them. I'll see how things stand further on in the game, but given the lack of real sympathy for either side up to the Fens, the "I intend to find out who has the most treasure, kill them, take it, and repeat the process," approach seems to be the most appealing. If everyone's crazy, I might as well just stab them until loot comes out. [ Sunday, February 18, 2007 18:48: Message edited by: Simon Yu ] Posts: 19 | Registered: Friday, April 28 2006 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, February 19 2007 11:57
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Just as I expected... Everyone who thinks that Jeff may sympathize with one or the other of the sides think that Jeff is against them. Of course, I can't critisize them for this since I did the same thing and just am aware of it. For some reason we always feel people have it out for us... -------------------- "After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one." - Cato the Elder (234-149 BC) "The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process." -Kripke "One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly." -Friedich Nietzche Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Monday, February 19 2007 13:07
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I'm not so sure Jeff has a side, or that it hasn't changed. I agree that he portrays the Shapesr and Rebels largely as equally evil, but the Trakovites struck me as hopeless idealists and borderline political nutjobs. They are, in a way, arch-conservatives. They want to turn back time, and that's not possible. —Alorael, who thinks Jeff sympathizes with creation rights, limited shaping, and probably no self-shaping. That faction doesn't exist, and with good reason. Rational or moderate sects have no place in Geneforge. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, February 19 2007 14:55
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Does anyone else find it strange that there is one more vote in "I don't think Jeff sympathizes..." in the second question than in the third one. -------------------- "After I'm dead I'd rather have people ask why I have no monument than why I have one." - Cato the Elder (234-149 BC) "The mind, if it exists, is nothing but an unfortunate after effect of the brain process." -Kripke "One should die proudly when it is no longer possible to live proudly." -Friedich Nietzche Posts: 333 | Registered: Saturday, May 20 2006 07:00 |