Geneforge 1 carnisters?
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Apprentice
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written Friday, December 8 2006 08:36
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Howdy... I'm new to the forum though not new to the Spiderweb games, have played demos of Exiles in the early days, and my first registered game was Geneforge 2... Later have it become to a bunch of games, and now is it only Geneforge 4 and 1, I haven't bought yet... I have tried the demo for Geneforge 1, and got a little surprised with the way I'm getting spells and creations... I'm usually playing a strict loyal shaper, and that counts for the carnisters too... So I was thinking: Is there a way to complete the game, and achieve spells and abillities without using the carnisters? -------------------- -I'm not evil, I'm just different in a more violent way Posts: 4 | Registered: Monday, December 4 2006 08:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
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written Friday, December 8 2006 08:42
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Not really. It is possible, but since without canisters you can't get any creations, or any magic other than one point in Firebolt, it isn't much fun. The conflict you're used to, between shaper loyalists and corrupt canister-abusers, has not yet started in G1. You're just a lone apprentice, stranded on a dangerous island, and you've never even heard of canisters before. You don't really have any choice but to use them. -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, December 8 2006 08:43
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Edit: SoT said it all, and better. That said, it IS possible to play as a non-cannister user. You just can't do very much :P I believe somebody did it once, and ended up as a level 5 Shaper. [ Friday, December 08, 2006 08:46: Message edited by: Mozzolini xx ] -------------------- And when you want to Live How do you start? Where do you go? Who do you need to know? *Name by Slarty Posts: 2864 | Registered: Monday, September 8 2003 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Friday, December 8 2006 08:44
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Thanks for the quick reply... I have a new question then... Will my use of carnisters, have any effect on the ending if I will stay as a loyalist? -------------------- -I'm not evil, I'm just different in a more violent way Posts: 4 | Registered: Monday, December 4 2006 08:00 |
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Councilor
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written Friday, December 8 2006 08:47
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Not at all. Dikiyoba. Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Friday, December 8 2006 11:56
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quote:Well, that was also a deliberate low-level game, and I'm pretty sure he had the common sense to use a Guardian. :P -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, December 8 2006 17:39
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I think it was ET that played the no canister game and finished at level 5. There have been some no canister games and running as a guardian would be the easiest. There are some places to pickup skills without using canisters. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Saturday, December 9 2006 03:47
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quote:You think wrong. It was X, and it was quite some time ago -- before ET even joined. [ Saturday, December 09, 2006 03:48: Message edited by: N-Rays ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Saturday, December 9 2006 09:55
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Just because I cheat doesn't mean I skip 99% of the game's content, which I imagine you would have to do to finish at level 5. -------------------- You lose. Posts: 2156 | Registered: Thursday, August 24 2006 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, December 10 2006 05:26
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Technically you could use an editor or trainer and save before every canister you use, then load and adjust the stat with the editor instead. This wouldn't make any difference in GF1, but I did this my 2nd time through GF3 in order to avoid doing stupid stuff without choosing to as a result of my canister abuse. The first time through I played as an agent and thus skipped shaping canisters, but still had negative effects later in the game. You know I'm actually playing through GF1 again myself and basically using everyone. First I joined the obeyers to get their stuff (I had high enough leadership to avoid any quests for any sects), then joined the awakened and gained their benefits, afterwards I made my way to Kazg and joined the takers and I'm still with them until I kill Trajkov and use the GF then I'll switch back to either Awakened or Obeyers. I would definately choose the Awakened except for my concern for the fate of the Sholai although don't they get killed between GF1 & GF2? (when the island is retaken or whatever) -------------------- Ignorance Is bliss -Cypher (Matrix) Don't think you can; know you can -Morpheus (Matrix) sanity is overrated :) Posts: 130 | Registered: Monday, February 7 2005 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, December 10 2006 10:13
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quote:GF 1 is great for power gaming. Join every sect, betray them all, use all canisters. Do everyone's quests, then kill them for their item drops. Buy 30 points of luck from Dig. Then kill Trajkov and use the Geneforge. Ultimately, I love GF 1 for its satisfying ending after you use the Geneforge and destroy it, even at the cost of your humanity. For canisters, in all GF games, I usually use all of them. I once played Loyalist in GF 3, and I got so bored of being unable to make great creations and casting half decent spells. In GF 1, you have to use canisters, because they're the only source of power for Shapers and Agents. Guardians will appreciate the bonuses of some canisters as well. [ Sunday, December 10, 2006 10:14: Message edited by: GoodCanisters ] Posts: 107 | Registered: Monday, December 4 2006 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Sunday, December 10 2006 12:20
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You're all wimps. I once played through Geneforge 3 without even talking to anyone, nor attacking anything which used a total number of pixels greater than 50. I was using a Shaper, but I absolutely refused to train in Intelligence. Oh, and I had needles jammed into my "f" key, so I had to click the fight button manually every time. -------------------- quote: Posts: 1115 | Registered: Sunday, May 15 2005 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, December 10 2006 13:13
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quote:Very possible. I would not distrust you, but I have 4 points/questions to ask. 1. Because you never talk to anyone, you don't need to increase leadership at all. That means a whole lot more points. 2. What difficulty were you playing? I have a hard time imagining this at torment. 3. You could have used DV's "cheap" vlish build. You don't need to increase intelligence that much, or at all. 4. You can't possibly win or even end the game without talking to anyone. You need to speak with Rahul or Akhari Blaze, finish their quests, and take a boat. No talking means no ending. You also need to make your opinion (rebel/shaper) before the leaders will trust you, so you have to talk even more :P PS. I am not trying to be mean or insult you. I apologize in advance if this offends you in any way. [ Sunday, December 10, 2006 13:15: Message edited by: GoodCanisters ] Posts: 107 | Registered: Monday, December 4 2006 08:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Sunday, December 10 2006 14:45
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It's always a little sad when people can't tell that others are making fun of them. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, December 10 2006 15:26
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quote:Ah, the confusion ensues. Now I've been dazed. However, I've seen nasty arguments on forums because of miscommunication, and I certainly do not want to start a war. Posts: 107 | Registered: Monday, December 4 2006 08:00 |
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Councilor
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written Sunday, December 10 2006 15:34
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Originally by Rakshasi: quote:So what did you do when a combat started automatically? Did you run out of view, manually end the combat, manually start the combat, and run back into view again? :P Dikiyoba. Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Sunday, December 10 2006 16:05
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quote:Oh, don't worry. None of this is aimed at you. Not directly, anyway. ;) quote:I made an oath than whenever I automatically entered combat, I would drop all missile weapons and absorb all of my creations. So I tried to avoid that. -------------------- quote: Posts: 1115 | Registered: Sunday, May 15 2005 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Monday, December 11 2006 14:47
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Needles? Dare I ask? Anyway, canisters in G1 are unavoidable, in G2 I think they're optional, and G3 they are certainly optional. G4, depends who you're with and what ending you want. -------------------- You Shall Die Laughing: http://www.worfthecat.ermarian.net/converted The Roost: www.roost01.proboards104.com. Birds of a feather flock together. Posts: 794 | Registered: Thursday, July 27 2006 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Monday, December 11 2006 15:05
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From the needle/ferrets, I can only assume. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Canned
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written Friday, December 15 2006 10:13
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Well no but some outsiders can teach you magic since they have a form of it and a servent mind can change you in G1. (what is the best betwen a TM and a Kel) [ Tuesday, December 19, 2006 09:18: Message edited by: opon mars ] -------------------- You can jump off a bridge, fire a gun in your mouth, drink poison,or going in to the tiger's pit but you will still end up dead it's a mater of time and how . Posts: 312 | Registered: Sunday, November 26 2006 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Friday, December 15 2006 11:36
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Lord Macintosh, you're quite right about GF2. You can defeat the whole thing, even the "challenge" areas on Torment, without using a single canister. Whether this is worthwhile is a question of taste. Posts: 63 | Registered: Tuesday, July 4 2006 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Friday, December 15 2006 11:56
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quote:Of course, just play a melee guardian. Pump your first 20 skill points into parry and QA, and let Shanti train you (+1 QA and parry). You'll start with a huge advantage. Posts: 107 | Registered: Monday, December 4 2006 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Friday, December 15 2006 13:05
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I went the shaper/infiltrator way (and often found myself retreating at high speed while my creations fought on), but I don't doubt that it's possible with any class. Posts: 63 | Registered: Tuesday, July 4 2006 07:00 |