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Infiltrator
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written Friday, May 7 2004 09:31
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Despite my protestations of not wanting to make a scenario, I found myself starting one after reading through several articles. Unfortunately, my scripting skills are lacking. I have no idea as to how long I will be working on it, but I will probably be asking for lots of help. On to the first question: I'm just a bit confused about setting up some special combat encounters. I want the party to meet up with a new type of beastie (ie an original monster) that will be challenging for higher level parties. Can anyone provide a few tips as to what kind of abilities I might try to throw in? I also need some way to alter the amount of time the party has left after the fight. Unfortunately the time limit on my scenario (as planned so far) is 2-3 days, so I need something that takes a few hours off. Edit: I don't know if I'm just sadistic or something, but one of the beasties that I'm planning on putting in is a level 50 "Fission Dragon" that splits every time it's hit, is immune to most spells, and carries around a blade barrier (just to make sure it splits a lot). Does that sound like a bit much? [ Friday, May 07, 2004 10:30: Message edited by: Ragnarok Hellcaller ] -------------------- The Home of 8-bit Theater! Some cool WoT art here Nono! Bad Surfer!! This is it, The Document That no Evil Overlord can do Without Posts: 505 | Registered: Saturday, September 14 2002 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Friday, May 7 2004 11:19
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Drakey's advice Your Fission Dragon is a bit much unless the party is supposed to be at least level 60. Playtest it yourself, and if you can't beat it, tone it down a bit. Splitters in particular are really tough monsters, and going with anything more powerful than a doomguard is only for really high level scenarios. (My article on high level scenarios.) As for changing time, well, look in the Appendices under "The Passage of Time." The set_ticks_forward call is probably the one you want. EDIT: Also, the Lyceum's Designer's Forum has some articles you might want to check out. They are for BoE, but some of the principles remain the same. [ Friday, May 07, 2004 11:21: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Friday, May 7 2004 15:56
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I tried making a monster in the shape of a Drake Lord with maximum statis. I made it have guard as it's special ability and made it resistant to everything. And guess what? I beat it! Okay so I lied. Sue me. -------------------- And everybody say....Yatta! Posts: 1287 | Registered: Thursday, August 14 2003 07:00 |
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The Establishment
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written Friday, May 7 2004 16:40
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Sounds like a repetative and ultimately anti-fun combat experience to me. -------------------- Your flower power is no match for my glower power! Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Friday, May 7 2004 18:24
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I agree; if you have to reload more than 2 or 3 times to kill it with an appropriate-level party, it's too hard. Posts: 70 | Registered: Monday, April 12 2004 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Saturday, May 8 2004 00:19
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Ah yes, but who said anything about it being required combat? It's actually a punishment for players who pick the wrong route. Even if they do beat the thing (which I will probably tone down, just a bit) I'm going to advance the clock several hours. This scenario is supposed to punish explorers and reward runners. If and when I get this out, you'll understand after seeing the name. :cool: -------------------- The Home of 8-bit Theater! Some cool WoT art here Nono! Bad Surfer!! This is it, The Document That no Evil Overlord can do Without Posts: 505 | Registered: Saturday, September 14 2002 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Saturday, May 8 2004 01:28
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I'd disagree - the purpose of many fights is to make you rethink your strategies. Generally, I think that having to work out a fight's weakness adds to the fun, even if you do have to reload a few times. Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Saturday, May 8 2004 06:20
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quote:I reloaded, like, 10 times to beat the rubies in RoR-BoA with a singleton. And you should realize that I don't find the scenario to be overly difficult. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Shake Before Using
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written Saturday, May 8 2004 06:25
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I've reloaded as many as 45+ times on a single fight in order to win a battle of attrition. *shrugs* Posts: 3234 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Saturday, May 8 2004 06:43
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quote:Well, that's okay, then. I've seen scenarios (in BoE, forget which offhand, it's been three years) that have invulnerable monsters in the way if you choose the wrong path. You can assume that people are saving at every critical juncture. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Saturday, May 8 2004 07:29
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on the Tower of Magi where you verse all those Mung Demons and Haaikas I have reloaded somewhere around 63 times. Note, I didn't use the editor and everyone in my party was around level 27. -------------------- And everybody say....Yatta! Posts: 1287 | Registered: Thursday, August 14 2003 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Saturday, May 8 2004 09:25
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Okay, before I even worry about anything else; how do I make it so that when the party leaves a town (like, oh say, the warrior's grove) they appear where I want them to on the out door map? Every time I try to get a feel for actual travel time in the game, I just end up in a large black area with walls around it and nowhere that I can move to. The walls aren't stopping me, it's the lack of terrain, but I can't figure out where the party is when they get outside, or else I'd fix it. Also, can you move/delete a town entrance once it's been placed? -------------------- The Home of 8-bit Theater! Some cool WoT art here Nono! Bad Surfer!! This is it, The Document That no Evil Overlord can do Without Posts: 505 | Registered: Saturday, September 14 2002 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Saturday, May 8 2004 10:47
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Relocate Outdoors node. Don't use Warrior's Grove. Yes, you can move a town once it's been placed. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Saturday, May 8 2004 15:09
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If I read him correctly, I don't think he needs Relocate Outdoors for what he's trying to do. He just needs to use Set Outdoor Starting Location to determine where the party ends up the first time they leave the starting town. To see visually where the party will end up, look for the little START icon that appears on one terrain space when editing the starting outdoor section. [ Saturday, May 08, 2004 15:12: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Saturday, May 8 2004 16:42
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quote:Okay, "2 or 3" was a bit low. Ten is okay on occasion. 45+ means it's just too difficult and you probably won by a lucky streak. By the way, you're probably not using that term correctly in this case :) Posts: 70 | Registered: Monday, April 12 2004 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Sunday, May 9 2004 15:51
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Okay, I figured out where I kept exiting the town to, but I still haven't figured out how to change where in the outdoor section my party ends up after exiting the town. I went under the outdoor pull-down menu and set the starting location at just outside of the town; but evey time I test it, the party appears in the middle of the section. Can anyone give me any tips on how to fix that? -------------------- The Home of 8-bit Theater! Some cool WoT art here Nono! Bad Surfer!! This is it, The Document That no Evil Overlord can do Without Posts: 505 | Registered: Saturday, September 14 2002 07:00 |
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written Sunday, May 9 2004 19:08
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Are you using a party newly brought into the scenario or one that was saved in the scenario before you made the change? Try using a new party. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Sunday, May 9 2004 19:14
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Edit: Okay, that clears things up. I'll probably come up with some more questions over the next week or so. [ Sunday, May 09, 2004 19:50: Message edited by: Ragnarok Hellcaller ] -------------------- The Home of 8-bit Theater! Some cool WoT art here Nono! Bad Surfer!! This is it, The Document That no Evil Overlord can do Without Posts: 505 | Registered: Saturday, September 14 2002 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Sunday, May 9 2004 19:20
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Try going into the town details section (the town you're exiting from into the outdoor section) and setting the exit town location to the outdoor location that you wish your party to end up at. For example, if the party leaves the town to the east, and you want them to end up at space 21,10 on the outdoor grid, set the exit town location for the right to be (x)21 (y)10 (ignore the special state box for now). I hope this helps! :P -------------------- Guyute was the ugly pig who walked on me and danced a jig that he had learned when he was six - then stopped and did some other tricks. Like pulling weapons from his coat and holding them against my throat. He lectured me in language strange - then scampered quickly out of range. Posts: 24 | Registered: Sunday, March 28 2004 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Monday, May 10 2004 20:35
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First off, where can I find information about adding a boat? Also, can I place a boat outside or set up a call to "create" a boat that the party has just found? -------------------- The Home of 8-bit Theater! Some cool WoT art here Nono! Bad Surfer!! This is it, The Document That no Evil Overlord can do Without Posts: 505 | Registered: Saturday, September 14 2002 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Monday, May 10 2004 20:55
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void create_boat(short which_boat,short which_town,short loc_x,short loc_y,short others_property) - This call should be made in the state START_SCEN_STATE. Initializes boat which_boat (which can be from 0 to 29). Places the boat in town which_town in space {loc_x,loc_y}. If others_property is 0, the party can enter the boat. If 1, the boat must be set as party property by a script before the party can use it. Editor Appendices, under Scenario Initialization Calls It looks as though you can't place a boat outside. I haven't tried this call at all, so I don't know if it works outside the START_SCEN_STATE. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Tuesday, May 11 2004 02:01
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He does mean it correctly - if he can only hope to do a few damage per turn, then he should save basically after every turn, and then reload if he gets an unfavorable result. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, May 11 2004 04:42
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Thanks Kelandon. I'm not to sure what you're referencing Drakey, but if you're talking about the Fission Dragon, it's out. I'm too lazy to take the time to try scriping that all in. Instead I'm working on coming up with a new man sized monster that can actually challenge a higher level party. In terms of balancing the treasure for a higher level party, would knowledge brews as an infrequent/rare drop from the aforementioned monster seem unbalanced? -------------------- The Home of 8-bit Theater! Some cool WoT art here Nono! Bad Surfer!! This is it, The Document That no Evil Overlord can do Without Posts: 505 | Registered: Saturday, September 14 2002 07:00 |
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Shake Before Using
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written Tuesday, May 11 2004 10:49
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Actually, I was. My opponent was an immobile priest, so I was sniping at it through a door and reloading any time it hit me hard enough that I'd spend so much SP fixing what it did that I would be unable to continue my attack. Eventually, I wore it down and it died. (This was caused by attempting to fight a 800-HP boss with a low-level party. It's not a good idea, all things considered.) Posts: 3234 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Wednesday, May 12 2004 01:34
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Sorry, I was referring to the battle of attrition as well. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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