The Louvre Q&A
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BoE Posse
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written Monday, March 17 2003 05:24
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Here's the issue (correct me if I'm wrong, folks): If you design a PC graphic, you are best off using the default, Avernum III chairs when you design the PC sitting down. If you use another type of chair, the chair will morph from the default chair to the chair you designed when the PC sits down. This will look strange. The alternative is to design a chair graphic to be inserted into the scenario the PC will be used in. The weakness to this is if people want to use the PC graphic in other scenarios, they must also use your chair graphic - or suffer the Morphing Chair Syndrome (MCS). So, you are probably best off just using the default chair for PC graphics - at least for now. -------------------- All that we see, or seem, is but a dream within a dream. Visit the Louvre, the BoA Graphics Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boa/louvre/ Visit Alexandria, the BoE Scenario Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boe/alexandriajs/ Posts: 653 | Registered: Thursday, September 27 2001 07:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Monday, March 17 2003 07:32
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The Louvre now holds 214 graphics! :eek: I have incorporated all suggestions to date. -------------------- All that we see, or seem, is but a dream within a dream. Visit the Louvre, the BoA Graphics Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boa/louvre/ Visit Alexandria, the BoE Scenario Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boe/alexandriajs/ Posts: 653 | Registered: Thursday, September 27 2001 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Monday, March 17 2003 11:22
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Just wondering, but why does it say that the punk is a "non-standard" PC graphic? Is that a reference to its distinctly modern nature? -------------------- PhoenixNinjas! Ninja-Moderation! What we need is Urban Wisdom! Vote Wise Man! Posts: 1277 | Registered: Monday, June 24 2002 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Monday, March 17 2003 11:50
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The punk graphic can't sit, thus, it is not standard. I think. Vengeful Shade, there are other chairs, but you can't sit in them. They're just obstructions. I know there's one that has four legs and a purple cushion. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Monday, March 17 2003 12:11
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You're so smart! Upon reading this a booted up A3 (which I haven't played in a while) and searched for chairs that I couldn't sit in. I found them... end of story. Yes, they exist. edit: For the Louvre... on the "Current Records" thing you just put on there, could you make that text something other than black? Like Red or Green, something that stands out. It was kinda hard to see. Thanks! [ Monday, March 17, 2003 12:25: Message edited by: EEP_Karzoth ] -------------------- DEMON PLAY, DEMON OUT! Posts: 1582 | Registered: Wednesday, November 13 2002 08:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Tuesday, March 18 2003 04:56
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Put the current record count in blue. Question about Items - I see most people are submitting an item graphic with two views. Is this needed? If someone could go to my BoA graphics Design page (accessible via the Louvre now) and check what I've written on Items for technical accuracy, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! -------------------- All that we see, or seem, is but a dream within a dream. Visit the Louvre, the BoA Graphics Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boa/louvre/ Visit Alexandria, the BoE Scenario Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boe/alexandriajs/ Posts: 653 | Registered: Thursday, September 27 2001 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, March 18 2003 14:28
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Two views may or may not be strictly neccessary. In the A3 graphics, there are usually two views, one for the item in a player's inventory (or in a container, or the pick-up box), and one for the item on the ground. The ground view can be shared between multiple graphics, so if a suitable image already exists, that view is not neccessary. Also, it may be possible to use the same graphic for both views. However, in general, I would consider it a good idea to provide both views. Posts: 422 | Registered: Tuesday, October 16 2001 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Tuesday, March 18 2003 17:26
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quote:Thank you! There is a god! Looks good... I'll let ya know if I see some more things that bug the crap out of my nit-picky self. -------------------- DEMON PLAY, DEMON OUT! Posts: 1582 | Registered: Wednesday, November 13 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, March 25 2003 14:50
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The Louvre seems to be innaccesible - I get a 403 error. Anyone else having problems? Edit: It seems to be okay now. [ Wednesday, March 26, 2003 06:30: Message edited by: Namothil ] Posts: 422 | Registered: Tuesday, October 16 2001 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Tuesday, March 25 2003 16:18
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I just got an Error: Forbidden message... -------------------- DEMON PLAY, DEMON OUT! Posts: 1582 | Registered: Wednesday, November 13 2002 08:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Wednesday, March 26 2003 06:02
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It seems fine from my end. If there is still a problem, let me know. -------------------- All that we see, or seem, is but a dream within a dream. Visit the Louvre, the BoA Graphics Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boa/louvre/ Visit Alexandria, the BoE Scenario Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boe/alexandriajs/ Posts: 653 | Registered: Thursday, September 27 2001 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Wednesday, March 26 2003 12:33
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Fine now, maybe your server went down for a couple hours. -------------------- DEMON PLAY, DEMON OUT! Posts: 1582 | Registered: Wednesday, November 13 2002 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Thursday, March 27 2003 03:06
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It's fine on my end again, still 214 records, if only I knew how to make graphics( ;) )... -------------------- -Zephyr Tempest, your personal entertainer Posts: 1779 | Registered: Monday, December 9 2002 08:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Thursday, March 27 2003 05:47
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quote:Possible, but unlikely, as this is a Penn State server maintained 24/7 and hit by thousands of users constantly - I would have heard something. More likely the pipeline between here and you was broken. -------------------- All that we see, or seem, is but a dream within a dream. Visit the Louvre, the BoA Graphics Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boa/louvre/ Visit Alexandria, the BoE Scenario Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boe/alexandriajs/ Posts: 653 | Registered: Thursday, September 27 2001 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Thursday, March 27 2003 22:54
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As for the graphics themselves, I'd suggest using JPG instead of GIF files. GIF files only support 256 colors where as Avernum uses true colors. Therefore converting the graphics from BMP to GIF can cause some loss of detail, using JPG images instead would prevent this. Posts: 141 | Registered: Saturday, April 20 2002 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, March 28 2003 02:50
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Conversion to GIF produces no appreciable loss of detail in any graphic I've submitted, and in some cases has actually slightly improved the appearance of the graphic. Oh, and my copy of A3 seems to use 256 color bitmaps. BTW, Brett, did you recieve the latest batch of graphics I sent in? DBR Edit: Should have noted that the graphics programs I have do odd things with JPEGs - I can't seem to force no compression, and the compression alters white space to off-white. [ Friday, March 28, 2003 12:12: Message edited by: Namothil ] Posts: 422 | Registered: Tuesday, October 16 2001 07:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Friday, March 28 2003 06:37
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quote:You CAN submit graphics in JPG format if you want to. Yes, I've received your gaphics, DBR - but I will probably not process them until this weekend. :( -------------------- All that we see, or seem, is but a dream within a dream. Visit the Louvre, the BoA Graphics Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boa/louvre/ Visit Alexandria, the BoE Scenario Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boe/alexandriajs/ Posts: 653 | Registered: Thursday, September 27 2001 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Saturday, March 29 2003 14:15
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quote:Actually, JPG images are bad for this type of graphic, and they are easily distorted. If the background becomes off-white, which it tends to do, the entire graphic is thrown off. PNGs are the best, but they're big, and I don't thing Brett likes them. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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written Saturday, March 29 2003 18:13
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PNGs can actually be much more efficient than GIFs and JPGs; less so for smaller, more detailed graphics such as those in Avernum, though. Also, they can't display properly in everyone's browser. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Tuesday, April 1 2003 12:47
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Brett, did you get the Geneforge rips I submitted? Sorry, I accidentally sent three emails. The first one you should ignore, the second one has the pics, and the third has the data. [ Tuesday, April 01, 2003 16:54: Message edited by: Jawaj ] -------------------- "If you held a weapon to Fwiffo's head, he would say anything you wanted him to. In fact, if you held a vegetable to Fwiffo's head, he'd say whatever you wanted him to." - Spathi high council, Star Control 2. Posts: 346 | Registered: Sunday, December 30 2001 08:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Wednesday, April 2 2003 03:46
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quote:Got 'em! I'm slow to place them online due to work load. Should be soon. -------------------- All that we see, or seem, is but a dream within a dream. Visit the Louvre, the BoA Graphics Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boa/louvre/ Visit Alexandria, the BoE Scenario Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boe/alexandriajs/ Posts: 653 | Registered: Thursday, September 27 2001 07:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Wednesday, April 2 2003 06:36
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Hey - I got it updated! We're up to 297 graphics! Wow! :eek: -------------------- All that we see, or seem, is but a dream within a dream. Visit the Louvre, the BoA Graphics Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boa/louvre/ Visit Alexandria, the BoE Scenario Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boe/alexandriajs/ Posts: 653 | Registered: Thursday, September 27 2001 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, April 2 2003 06:49
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Great job, just a few comments: Flame Vent, not Flame Event Vahnatai Runes and Barriers are actually both sets of animated terrains (The vahnatai runes are actually the runes in the game, just removed from the associated floor pattern, and with several color swaps.) Potion racks should be includable as is - They're simply modified bookcases, and the bookcases work with no problems. Lava Pit seems to have started appearing under NPC - May have been there before, not sure. Purple Spirit Warrior is also appearing under NPC - it's a monster graphic. Sword Emblem and Ogre Statue are terrain graphics, not items. [ Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:35: Message edited by: Namothil ] Posts: 422 | Registered: Tuesday, October 16 2001 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, April 2 2003 12:19
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It might be a good idea to add the option of sorting by date added. That way, people can easily see which items are the new ones. Or you could just add a "new" flag that you can add to the search. Oh yeah, and the link to my glaahk picture is broken. You misspelled the file name and the label as "glaakh." [ Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:28: Message edited by: Jawaj ] -------------------- "If you held a weapon to Fwiffo's head, he would say anything you wanted him to. In fact, if you held a vegetable to Fwiffo's head, he'd say whatever you wanted him to." - Spathi high council, Star Control 2. Posts: 346 | Registered: Sunday, December 30 2001 08:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Thursday, April 3 2003 03:46
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Thanks for the debug - should be all fixed. The sort by date thing will take longer to program. -------------------- All that we see, or seem, is but a dream within a dream. Visit the Louvre, the BoA Graphics Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boa/louvre/ Visit Alexandria, the BoE Scenario Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boe/alexandriajs/ Posts: 653 | Registered: Thursday, September 27 2001 07:00 |