shorthand in verbal conversation

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Warrior
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Lately I've noticed some people engaged in verbal conversation actually spelling out things like "OMG" and "lol" even though they are the same number of syllables as the actual words and therefore take just as long to say and I was wondering what percentage of people are irritated by this.

[ Thursday, January 24, 2008 09:55: Message edited by: The_Other_Guy ]

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Some of Nalyd's friends do that, but only as jokes.

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Shaper
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I only do that when it is in reference to something on the internet for effect.

"Hey Emperor, did you see that horrible video online the other day? It was terrible what happened to those children!"

"Meh, I el-oh-el'ed."

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I talk that way only to my computer geek friends as a way of being funny.

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In my head I actually mentally pronounce them "omg" and something like "lowl", sort of like a supercrunched version of 'l'augh 'ou't 'l'oud. I worry that I'm going to get too used to doing that and respond to some one by saying omg.

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I have occasionally responded verbally with lol (sounds identical to the real word loll) and zomg (pronounced phonetically), but only in a very high falsetto, and I always regret it afterwards even though I giggle elatedly.

—Alorael, who has yet to hear anyone use internetisms in person in a non-ironic way.
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My hallmates have taken to using some shorthand due to our school's rather strict code on language. So OMG and WTF are quite common. W/E is used highly sarcastically.
Of course, this is the same group of people that uses "shoes" (Dane Cook's Fire Truck sketch), "cow" (the previous stage in the evolution of that one was "mother heiffer". draw your conclusions), and "table" (long story, refers to BS) as euphamisms.

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I'd much rather stick to Cockney Rhyming slang.

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I did it once accidentally, and I then inflicted much punishment upon myself. The Flagellant Brothers had nothing on me.

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I don't use such abbreviations period. Even if I'm chatting before joining a game, I still write with proper grammar.

During my freshman year our English teachers made us revise each others papers. I was quite shocked, as some people used "omg" in character dialog.

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I will ocaissionally use lol in IM but only if it actually fits what I am/was doing.

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Of course, this is the same group of people that uses "shoes" (Dane Cook's Fire Truck sketch), "cow" (the previous stage in the evolution of that one was "mother heiffer". draw your conclusions), and "table" (long story, refers to BS) as euphamisms.
I never understood the use of euphemisms. Why do some people consider it improper to utter certain words yet have no problem with using other words meaning the same thing? And what I REALLY want to know is why some people think they have the right to force this backward opinion on the rest of us. I could get into a long rant about it and the FCC in particular but It'd just be a waste of space really.

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I think we have a social or at least societal need to have a way to verbally transgress social norms. If common profanity becomes acceptable more extreme terms must be invented to keep invective a viable option.

Many euphemisms aren't about things considered obscene, though. Some are about being sensitive to, well, delicate sensibilities. Some are just absurd. Some exist solely for variety of expression.

—Alorael, who %$&@#s the $%#@ out of all the a@#%# in euphemisms. On another note, he can't recall ever having used that particular verb immediately after the "who" in his signature.
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I've said "lol" once, pronouncing it the way you'd pronounce "loll". I've rarely felt that embarrassed before.

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Depends on what moment I use it..

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The only abbreviation I've ever used online is brb, and then only when my mom is calling me to come RIGHT NOW. I will use w00t occasionally in real life because I think it's a funny word. When I think something is funny, I usually type *laughs* or something like that. I don't hang out with people who use instant messenger or forums that much, so I haven't really had people use abbreviations around me in real life, though online I have encountered them far more than I would like.

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Online, smileys and shortcuts like 'lol' are just a substitute for non-verbal communication. Typing '*smiles*' or '*chuckles*' feels more artificial than ': )' or 'lol'. However, if these become ingrained to the point that people think 'lol' instead of actually laughing, it might be time to start spending less time in front of computer.

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We used to say that about contractions.

Now look at them.

Everywhere.

Pffft!

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OMG! totes! obvi ... haha, jk ...

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I may say things like that only half-kidding. The "jk" is always 100% kidding, though.

Also, WWW is the worst abbreve ever - 9 syllables, as opposed to 3 for World Wide Web.

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Warrior
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I think we have a social or at least societal need to have a way to verbally transgress social norms. If common profanity becomes acceptable more extreme terms must be invented to keep invective a viable option.
Interesting hypothesis. You may have something there. Although cursing is a social norm where I am, the minority of people who have a problem with it are likely responsible for its continued use. It's quite ironic that their attempts to get us to stop using certain words are what cause us to continue using them frequently.

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From The Straight Dope by Cecil Adams:
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The etymology of OK was masterfully explained by the distinguished Columbia University professor Allen Walker Read in a series of articles in the journal American Speech in 1963 and 1964.

The letters, not to keep you guessing, stand for "oll korrect." They're the result of a fad for comical abbreviations that flourished in the late 1830s and 1840s.

Read buttressed his arguments with hundreds of citations from newspapers and other documents of the period. As far as I know his work has never been successfully challenged.

The abbreviation fad began in Boston in the summer of 1838 and spread to New York and New Orleans in 1839. The Boston newspapers began referring satirically to the local swells as OFM, "our first men," and used expressions like NG, "no go," GT, "gone to Texas," and SP, "small potatoes."

Many of the abbreviated expressions were exaggerated misspellings, a stock in trade of the humorists of the day. One predecessor of OK was OW, "oll wright," and there was also KY, "know yuse," KG, "know go," and NS, "nuff said."

Most of these acronyms enjoyed only a brief popularity. But OK was an exception, no doubt because it came in so handy. It first found its way into print in Boston in March of 1839 and soon became widespread among the hipper element.
I can't tell whether 1840 hipsters actually spoke 'NS' or 'KG', or whether they only wrote them in newspapers. But obviously at some point people were saying 'OK', so the rest are at least plausible.

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Interesting. I had thought OK originally meant "Old Kinderhook."

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If you read the full article I linked to, you see that it kind of did. That is, the 'Oll Korrect' version was already current when Martin van Buren's 1840 presidential campaign turned his 'Old Kinderhook' nickname (he was from Kinderhook, NY) into a punning slogan. OK was OK, or something like that. The OK campaign slogan made no sense unless at least some people already new OK meant okay, but the theory is that Old Kinderhook's campaign boosted the expression out of hipster cant into common slang.

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That was probably the most important accomplishment in the man's life. Really. Though his facial hair is pretty legendary as well I suppose.

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