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What do you think about all the critics around the Dan Brown's book (I know the name in Italian but not in English, sorry :P )?

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Never read The Da Vinci Code. Before it got big I read his earlier book Angels & Demons which was intensely silly: set in the present day, but it turns out that the Europeans are about a hundred years ahead of the US scientifically. This is only a surprise because the notoriously parochial American media has not bothered to report spaceplanes and antimatter. Yet when a terrible plot with deep roots in European history emerges, those brilliant European scientists call in a Harvard professor. It's a good thing they do, though, because the secrets of the Illuminati turn out to be typographical tricks with English words. Did I forget to mention it all happens in a papal election?

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I thought I had a case against Jesus being married and having a child to Mary Magdalene, but found out that I got confused with a different Mary. So very close though, would of been good to point out that she was married and had a fwe kids to someone else.

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I liked it. The movie just came out. Why haven't I seen it?

The Da Vinci Code is fiction.

FICTION.

It's meticulously researched and largely without fantasy (ie very realistically possible) but it's just a book. Is Dan Brown's assessment true -- that this revalation is "shaking the very foundations of mankind?"

I don't see why every religious zealot has to get his punishing chains in a bunch over a book. I mean, you don't see people pissing and moaning about the bible near as much as about The Da Vinci Code. And it didn't even get a movie.

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For God's sake, it says so on the damn spine.
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My mother's bf and I have this thing where we buy certain books, and then we read them together and talk about it.The Da Vince code happens to be one of those book, and after making him read last book I feel as if I owed him. And I will be watching the movie, but that's only because I'm not paying for it, and there aren’t that many good movies playing.

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quote:
Originally written by Student of Trinity:

Never read The Da Vinci Code. Before it got big I read his earlier book Angels & Demons which was intensely silly: set in the present day, but it turns out that the Europeans are about a hundred years ahead of the US scientifically. This is only a surprise because the notoriously parochial American media has not bothered to report spaceplanes and antimatter. Yet when a terrible plot with deep roots in European history emerges, those brilliant European scientists call in a Harvard professor. It's a good thing they do, though, because the secrets of the Illuminati turn out to be typographical tricks with English words. Did I forget to mention it all happens in a papal election?
Talking about that, is it even theoretically possible to make a suitcase-sized anti-matter container? From what I understand you need keep the particles cycling in a particle-accelerator-like containment ring several hundred meters in diameter to keep them from touching the walls, so just slapping a couple of magnets into a capsule's walls isn't going to do it.

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With strong enough magnetic fields you could have your antimatter whirling very fast in very small loops, but I don't know enough about the process to think of a way to make such a suitcase that could be moved without bashing the suitcase into the antimatter and causing a mess.

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quote:
Originally written by Nick Ringer:

The Da Vinci Code is fiction.

FICTION.

No one is arguing with this.

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Originally written by Nick Ringer:

It's meticulously researched and largely without fantasy (ie very realistically possible)...
This is what people are arguing with.

[ Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:21: Message edited by: Ash Lael ]

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Dikiyoba hasn't read the book, hasn't seen the movie, and doesn't really plan on doing either.
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quote:
Originally written by Zeviz:

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Originally written by Student of Trinity:

Never read The Da Vinci Code. Before it got big I read his earlier book Angels & Demons which was intensely silly: set in the present day, but it turns out that the Europeans are about a hundred years ahead of the US scientifically. This is only a surprise because the notoriously parochial American media has not bothered to report spaceplanes and antimatter. Yet when a terrible plot with deep roots in European history emerges, those brilliant European scientists call in a Harvard professor. It's a good thing they do, though, because the secrets of the Illuminati turn out to be typographical tricks with English words. Did I forget to mention it all happens in a papal election?
Talking about that, is it even theoretically possible to make a suitcase-sized anti-matter container? From what I understand you need keep the particles cycling in a particle-accelerator-like containment ring several hundred meters in diameter to keep them from touching the walls, so just slapping a couple of magnets into a capsule's walls isn't going to do it.

CERN wrote a detailed response to the book, rebutting pretty much every single point in A&D. Antimatter is not an energy source (and not even an efficient energy storage at this point, unlike Hydrogen). It cannot be produced in more than a few atoms at a time, and all antimatter ever produced at CERN could power a lightbulb for a few minutes. And so on.

I enjoyed the Da Vinci Code as a mixture of alternate history and historical fiction. I enjoyed Angels and Demons slightly less as science-fiction trying desperately to sound accurate. I liked Digital Fortress a lot less partly because of its Clancy-ish US nationalism and partly because I know more about computers than about physics, so the technical stuff sounded even more like BS than in Angels and Demons.

By the time I read Deception Point, I was somewhat deadened to the nationalism, so it irked me less. Also, I know absolutely nothing about astrophysics or marine biology, so it was easier to suspend disbelief. Still, I wouldn't have read it if I hadn't bought all four books at once. Which I regret - I should have stopped reading after Angels and Demons, when it was still passable.

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I read Digital Fortress. Absolutely everything that could be wrong, was wrong.

I saw the DVC movie, and thought it was almost entirely made of plot holes strung together. I don't know as much ancient history as I do cryptography, but what I did know was (unsurprising) pretty wrong.

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Dan Brown only knows how to write four characters- the intelligent heroine, the humble hero, the hired assassain, and the oh-dear-you'd-never-expect-them-to-be-a-traitor traitor. Seriously. In every stinking book, that's it (haven't read Deception Point).

That said, Da Vinci Code is exciting if poorly researched.

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I haven't read it, but I can't imagine that it's any better than those Left Behind books, and no non-believers I'm aware of ever made a stink about those. People just need to cool out about this crap - it's fiction, fiction, fiction. That they feel threatened says a lot about the state of their own belief.

Reminds me a lot of what happened when The Satanic Verses came out. We're about two steps shy of our very own Christian fatwah here, folks! How sad it is.
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They are also scared by Harry Potter, which says even more.

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I just deleted most of what I wrote, as it was probably offensive to some deeply religious SW'ers. So ditto to the fiction comment, and to each their own. Long live capitalism.

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Quite frankly, someone is always going to be offended by something, regardless of how deserving that thing is of offense.

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Originally written by Indifferent Salmon:

They are also scared by Harry Potter, which says even more.
I'd say it's more accurate to say people are offended by DVC than scared of it. But, yeah, people are scared of Harry Potter. Honestly, some people seem to have a near paranoia of anything that smells even vaguely of witchcraft or magic.

My favourite "crazy complaint" story remains the time when asked where I went for advice, I jokingly replied "My magic eight ball". We got two phone calls and a very formally worded letter over that (I think that's the most complaints we've ever gotten over one thing, too). People seriously thought I was involved in some sort of eight ball-oriented pagan practices.

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What confounds me and my friends is why anyone would care if Jesus had a child (=the entire point of the Da Vinci Code?). But I guess we're just too paganic and wicked to understand the issue.
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Jesus was God. God interbreeding with humans presents all kinds of bizarre theological issues.

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Originally written by Drew:

I haven't read it, but I can't imagine that it's any better than those Left Behind books, and no non-believers I'm aware of ever made a stink about those.
slacktivist.typepad.com - although run by an evangelical - makes a pretty good case for making a stink about them.

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Originally written by Ash Lael:

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Originally written by Indifferent Salmon:

They are also scared by Harry Potter, which says even more.
I'd say it's more accurate to say people are offended by DVC than scared of it. But, yeah, people are scared of Harry Potter. Honestly, some people seem to have a near paranoia of anything that smells even vaguely of witchcraft or magic.

My favourite "crazy complaint" story remains the time when asked where I went for advice, I jokingly replied "My magic eight ball". We got two phone calls and a very formally worded letter over that (I think that's the most complaints we've ever gotten over one thing, too). People seriously thought I was involved in some sort of eight ball-oriented pagan practices.

Does it ever unsettle you a little being a member of a community that is, by and large, that damn stupid? :P

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Originally written by Drew:

I haven't read it, but I can't imagine that it's any better than those Left Behind books, and no non-believers I'm aware of ever made a stink about those. People just need to cool out about this crap - it's fiction, fiction, fiction. That they feel threatened says a lot about the state of their own belief.

Reminds me a lot of what happened when The Satanic Verses came out. We're about two steps shy of our very own Christian fatwah here, folks! How sad it is.

The reason underthings are in bunches over the DVC isn't so much the content of the book as the way people have responded. People actually read this thing, proceed to nod sagely, say that "it really makes you think," and swear up and down that it is based on well-researched history. The furor seems more over the DVC qua rallying-cry for ignorant catholicism-bashers (who take it as more than fiction) than the DVC qua work of fiction.

Michael Crichton and Dan Brown make a living off of writing books that people holding irrational, ignorant opinions can cite as vindication of their idiocy. (State of Fear, anyone?)
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Originally written by The Worst Man Ever:

Does it ever unsettle you a little being a member of a community that is, by and large, that damn stupid? :P
Occasionally. But then I think to myself, at least I'm not an American.

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Originally written by Ash Lael:

God interbreeding with humans presents all kinds of bizarre theological issues.
God + Mary = Jesus
Jesus + Some other chick = all kinds of bizzare theological issues.

Anyone else see any inconsistency here?

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The existence of Jesus doesn't contradict Ash's statement about bizarre theological issues. If anything it confirms it! Jesus, taken to be the son of God, absolutely presents lots of bizarre theological issues.

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