Avernum I: The Movie
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E Equals MC What!!!!
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written Saturday, June 25 2005 22:20
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quote:Many, many BoX scenarios have nothing to do with Jeff's plotline. Probably the majority. -------------------- Sex is easier than love. Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Saturday, June 25 2005 22:57
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quote:Now that's an answer, and you do have a point. To be more specific i just meant some basic elements: the races, monsters, class systems and the world of Avernum are still used. In that way they still have a strong connection to what was originally made by Jeff. This is going off topic now, but being Marxist or not doesn't give you a right to go insulting people. -------------------- "This......is a TREE! What's it for?" -Exile III Posts: 75 | Registered: Saturday, December 20 2003 08:00 |
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written Saturday, June 25 2005 23:04
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I agree. I was just trying to be humorous. Oh well, it's late, and my humor can get a bit stupid. :P . The Internet is not good for conveying sarcasm. I think Spidweb games should just stay...games. Sure, they might make a Doom movie or a Resident Evil flick or a Tomb Raider film or whatever, but they're usually horrible. It's hard to adapt video games to the big screen, and I haven't seen a good one yet, frankly. Jeff's name isn't exactly the biggest one out there, and a bad movie might not be good PR for the software. -------------------- Wu wei... it's the only way Posts: 154 | Registered: Monday, June 20 2005 07:00 |
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This Side Towards Enemy
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written Sunday, June 26 2005 02:26
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The races are used because there's no way to stop somebody picking to play as a Slith, although some scenarios recommend that you don't play as certain races for realism issues. There isn't a class system as such in BoE, but I'll accept that with only a very few exceptions (On a Ship to Algiers and Election are the two that spring most readily to mind) gameplay is fairly similar to in Exile, merely because it's hard to change something so basic. Some scenarios have an entirely different set of monsters. Even where they still have goblins, for example, that doesn't really mean it has any connection to Exile/Avernum since they're a standard fantasy enemy. And a large number of scenarios do not take place in the world of Exile/Avernum. -------------------- Voice of Reasonable Morality Posts: 961 | Registered: Thursday, June 12 2003 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Sunday, June 26 2005 05:21
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quote:Paper fetish. BEEP was typed up and posted over a year ago, Alorael. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy desperance.net - We're Everywhere ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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E Equals MC What!!!!
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written Sunday, June 26 2005 06:52
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quote:That's TM for you. He's like that to everyone. BtI already answered the actually relevant stuff. :P -------------------- Sex is easier than love. Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Sunday, June 26 2005 08:37
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The Online game for them sounds awesome. Man, if i was old enough to get a job, and such, i'd donate money just to keep it up. It'd been great to play with other players, although nice, but one bad thing is this: Pking. Players do that on online games a lot, it'd be good where, if you try to pk a player in town, they will get angry, unless if they want to fight him. Anyways, yes. An online game for SWS would be great. I like MMORPGs. Anyways... Yes, i think a movie would be great, though it'd take lots of hard work. Using Bryce for movie-making can work. I saw a movie made out of Bryce before, and it was great looking. So yes, trailers, movies and such would be great. Trailers would be better for showing upcoming game releases. :P -------------------- I'm a Brainstomer. o_O Posts: 11 | Registered: Friday, June 24 2005 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Sunday, June 26 2005 09:52
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It was? And I missed it or don't remember? Did it get caught by a PPP? —Alorael, who isn't letting anyone off the hook that easy. Now only a title can atone for RiB! Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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written Sunday, June 26 2005 11:30
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The Resident Evil and Tomb Raider movies work because of curves. I don't remember their names, but the gals that play major roles in those flicks have a certain air about them that attracts people with $8 and little sense to the theatres. Is that how Jeff would want Avernum to get on the big screen? I can see Avernum, the animated series, on television though. I mean, pretty much anything can get on cartoon network. *this message has been approved by the family guy* Posts: 4114 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, June 26 2005 11:37
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quote:That might work. We probably should switch it to Exile, Exile seems more cartoony. (Because it's flat 2D) And I think the pre-fab party from Exile III would be the best choice. -- Diarog Lethuta -------------------- Ever since I met you so very long ago, There's been something I've badly needed to know, Do you love me and want to end my pain? Or do I pursue your love in vain? "And your not a doctor, but you play one in real life" -Jerry Seinfield "My power extends far beyond space and time, do not dare oppose me, for my wrath is something to be greatly feared" -Diarog Lethuta: The Tome of Diarog Lethuta, Egypt, 5000 B.C. Posts: 91 | Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00 |
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written Sunday, June 26 2005 11:48
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quote:Attacking religion for the sake of capitalism, eh? No wonder the Catholic Church is such a gerontocracy. Have you ever read Foucault? (If you want a response "with a point", then suffice it to say that nobody really wants to listen when I try to explain anything. It comes in the form of "let's have a nice discussion for the sake of homogenization" that defines the lifeless antimony of the American Dream. With everyone so modern, it's more of a fact that stuffy-old-me can't relate.) So yeah- go ahead and write a book. It'll just be a fanfiction of the dictionary. -------------------- 人 た ち を 燃 え る た め に 俺 は か れ ら に 火 を 上 げ る か ら 死 ん だ Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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written Sunday, June 26 2005 20:05
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I've never read Foucault, but I know he had many views defining the modern age. I also know that he could have used some major Prozac. History is bound to repeat itself, so the gentrocracy that is being attacked now will eventually be replaced by another one. Religion has always been ruled by followers of old ways, combatting some sort of neo-belief. I hope that makes sense. You sound bitter about people in general. There are some, you know, that aren't going to snub you if you provide a good explanation for something, so matter how "old-fashioned" or against the common beliefs it might be. At any rate, I don't think it's good to give up on humanity as a whole. Life becomes miserable when the majority of the people you know seem like dirt. Your last comment was rather humorous. It's also true, to a very very small degree. Every idea stems from some sort of template. Oh, and sorry about going off-topic, everyone. I couldn't resist making a philosophical comment. [ Sunday, June 26, 2005 21:38: Message edited by: Slp006 ] -------------------- Wu wei... it's the only way Posts: 154 | Registered: Monday, June 20 2005 07:00 |
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"I've never read Foucault, bu I know ha he had many views defining the modern age. I also know that he could hav used some major Prozac." Well, see, that's the irony of his works- they stress the individual over the group, but the end result of his writings is just to further homogenization. "History is bound to repeat itself, so the gentrocracy that is being attacked now will eventually be replaced by another one. Religion has always been ruled by followers of old ways, combatting some sort of neo-belief. I hope that makes sense." That works when the gerontocracy in question is using its strength to combat comparatively "leftist" forces- Religion in general throughout what might be dubbed as the "post-modern" era, though, is merely fighting a champion of free-marketeering, which is why men of the cloth like Ratzy get so hyped-up about the debauchery of Ole Europe: He can't control it, and he knows damned well that he can't control it. (The post-modern era can also be tied with the rise of small government; now as post-modernism has become an assumed part of our everyday dialectics, Reagan has well and died and we've returned to a more centralized era.) Essentially, the Church's role can be tied into how often it decorates the living rooms of the bourgeoisie. Example: The Borgia Popes brought power to the Church by clinging it to their bosoms and letting the old geezers go Freudian on Lucrece's mammaries. (And also, there's Baptist churches of both the vanilla and minority flavors, which preach self-sufficiency, when a quick look beyond the stained glass would reveal the intense parody of such a situation for minorities and the superfluocity of the situation for the rest of us.) Religion doesn't have to always be old. It just has to be in favor with the capitalists, or it just won't last very long. (And I totally agree with the 'history repeating' bit- which is another reason why you should get some writings by Hegel.) "You sound bitter about people in general. There are some, you know, that aren't going to snub you if you provide a good explanation for something, so matter how 'old-fashioned' or against the common beliefs it might be." Fair enough- but those people usually have leftist sympathies anyway. Suffice it to say that "freedom of speech" is essentially a two-hundred year precursor to some of the Foucaultian meta-narratives that would be to come, insomuch as the intent is two-faced. It doesn't really mean "We're willing to cooperate," it means "We're willing to put up with you". That's totally against what any self-conscious pomo would tell you, but that's the whole point of democracy and consumerism in general- People decide, but since people are already homogenized (thanks to said gerontocracies, among other factors), it becomes a parody that goes along the lines of "which rich white guy leads the Lolipop Guild" or "which whore we throw our semen-covered monopoly dollars at". So whenever you start concerning the individual, it's only for making a caveat that allows you to acknowledge the You Pick Live MTV zit-sacs that feed society the same nonsense, varying flavors only with the advancement of the Man's dialectics. (Of course, the incendiary nature of democracy is perhaps one of the few things that took all four years of conservative, preppy education to realize, but it's still better to have learned it, so eh.) "At any rate, I don't think it's good to give up on humanity as a whole. Life becomes miserable when the majority of the people you know seem like dirt." Nevermind the fact that you sound like you're trying to make me see myself as a need higher than all others, which itself is a microcosmic impetus for the corporate ladder, life ain't bad. (This is probably because I am a White Male™ with all sorts of distractions, including chauvinism, racism and onanism of all flavors, including consumerism. Most people don't have this luxury.) "Your last comment was rather humorous. It's also true, to a very very small degree. Every idea stems from some sort of template." That was more explaining why my years of expression being pidgeonholed made me really pissed, but hey- it's as good of a plug for Hegel's Phenomology of the Mind as any. (And this sort of tangent happens all of the time.) If anyone other than Kel didn't get the gist of what I'm getting at, let me know. EDIT: And speaking of Kel, in advance, I don't really give a damn if I used the wrong variant of "Lucrece". [ Sunday, June 26, 2005 21:04: Message edited by: Marx' Martyr ] -------------------- 人 た ち を 燃 え る た め に 俺 は か れ ら に 火 を 上 げ る か ら 死 ん だ Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Amazing. TM, I applaud your cynicism (the modern definition, of course). you seem to really have blunt realism down to a science. I respect that. At least now I fully understand why you call yourself Marx's Martyr. I'm sorry that capitalism turns everybody into tools. I know it's offensive to some people. I think we could make a movie, or at least a documentary, out of the last section of this thread. Maybe it could have Avernum races in it. The capitalists could be Slith. And I had no idea my previous post was full of typos. I usually read before I post...that's so sad. Oh well. My knowledge of Hegel is limited to what is contained in Sophie's World, but I think it had the gist of his philosophy down pretty well. [ Sunday, June 26, 2005 21:43: Message edited by: Slp006 ] -------------------- Wu wei... it's the only way Posts: 154 | Registered: Monday, June 20 2005 07:00 |
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quote:Actually, I only did that because everyone was changing their monikers so they'd have 'MM' as an acronym. :P "I think we could make a movie, or at least a documentary, out of the last section of this thread. Maybe it could have Avernum races in it. The capitalists could be Slith." And, what, have the Imperials be the pre-Industrial Revolution bourgeoisie? No, for that, I think the Avernites should be the mercantile bourgeoisie. Then, the nephilim and Sliths could be exploited for cheap labor. (Heck, you could have a scandal where the Prince of Exile is unusually furry, and the queen has doubts about his lineage.) The Church could be the demons, who speak of "liberating the other races", but are only concerned with paltry sacrifices and building more ornate buildings while the primitives rape and beat their women whilst getting sick from easily-curable diseases. And then, some of the nephilim head towards the surface looking for jobs that pay 1 gold coin per year instead of 1 gold coin per two years, and the Empire begins erecting fences, and an entirely superfluous group of "leftists" begin protesting... Meanwhile, the Vahnatai cause a "Grey Scare", causing the Empire to construct giant phallic weapons to make up for their leaders' underperformance in bed... Yeah, it'd be a decent film. But JV would probably just have it be the story of a bunch of adventurers who serve ultimately as a backstory to some inspiring monument in the Kriszan Projects, reminding the Nephilim serfs that "they too can make it with hard work". -------------------- 人 た ち を 燃 え る た め に 俺 は か れ ら に 火 を 上 げ る か ら 死 ん だ Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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quote:He likes to make enigmatic, seemingly random statements that wrap his ideals and person in a cloak of intellectual and philosophical superiority. Rather than any lack of such superiority, this is motivated by an apparently deep disgust for people less intelligent than him. Which most of us are, seemingly. [ Monday, June 27, 2005 15:11: Message edited by: Vote Arancaytar ] -------------------- The Encyclopaedia Ermariana <-- Now a Wiki! "Polaris leers down from the black vault, winking hideously like an insane watching eye which strives to convey some strange message, yet recalls nothing save that it once had a message to convey." --- HP Lovecraft. "I single Aran out due to his nasty temperament, and his superior intellect." --- SupaNik Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Replace "less intelligent" with "more toolish". Didn't I give you this "America is a good deal crappier than Europe" lecture before? -------------------- 人 た ち を 燃 え る た め に 俺 は か れ ら に 火 を 上 げ る か ら 死 ん だ Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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David McNally's Another world is possible is a good book demonstrating the effects of American Capitalism and Fascism on 3rd and 4th world countries. Though as with many such books it fails to propose any solution to the current problems. -------------------- I stop rubber at 160km/h, five times a week. CANUCKS RESPEK! My Style The Knight Between Posts. Posts: 2395 | Registered: Friday, November 2 2001 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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quote:"Toolish" I'm interpreting as apathetic towards affairs that appear to not immediately concern one's daily life. Sheeple? Oh, and I don't think I've caught that lecture before, though I'm sure you've posted it while I was here. Why is America (ie. the country, not the governmental system) crappier than Europe - are people more apathetic to issues? -------------------- The Encyclopaedia Ermariana <-- Now a Wiki! "Polaris leers down from the black vault, winking hideously like an insane watching eye which strives to convey some strange message, yet recalls nothing save that it once had a message to convey." --- HP Lovecraft. "I single Aran out due to his nasty temperament, and his superior intellect." --- SupaNik Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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This Side Towards Enemy
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written Monday, June 27 2005 22:39
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Because TM is a pessimistic American. -------------------- Voice of Reasonable Morality Posts: 961 | Registered: Thursday, June 12 2003 07:00 |
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written Monday, June 27 2005 22:54
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Although I think that a movie of Avernum would be quite nice, I don't think I would watch it to often (if it can be made). A game is a game, and because this is an rpg, and therefor everyone would have his own way of playing it (One first goes to Almaria, other visit the tower of Magi, others just get themselves slaughtered...), I think everyone would probably get annoyed about the way the party in the movie will travel and were to, in which order. Actually, a movie of a rpg, is just the way the director would play the game. Others may find that stupid, others not. -------------------- Thralni's almighty Avernum pages: My webpage, containing scenario's and graphics made by me (And maybe someday the homepage of the almighty chicken gods). Click here for more information on Olga's fortune teller kiosk Olga's fortune teller kiosk has been temporarily closed down, but you can contact the prophet with a PM - Was signed by the prophet of the almighty chicken gods, gods of everything that is a chicken. Work has begun on the Nephilian grammar and vocabulary guide! Posts: 3029 | Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Tuesday, June 28 2005 00:42
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It's been mentioned before, but the first visitation would make a cool film. Speaking from an amatuer film-makers point-of-view, Avernum 2 would be much better - war, good plot, nice baddie. The costs of prduction would be astronomical though, unless someone knows where we can fnd a serious of caves like those of Avernum... -------------------- "I am a living sign..." Thus endeth this post. Posts: 2864 | Registered: Monday, September 8 2003 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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About a mile underneath Louisiana, actually. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy desperance.net - We're Everywhere ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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No, that would suck an incredible amount. In fact watching german **** porn would be more enjoyable then that. Watching german **** porn while getting molested by 500 infected lepers would be more enjoyable then that. -------------------- Boobies Posts: 5 | Registered: Wednesday, June 29 2005 07:00 |