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That many carbon atoms is 12 grams.

You are now enlightened.

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Originally written by Andrew Miller:

1.) Both systems are pretty silly when taking time into consideration
Not much we can do about this; the length of a day isn't constant, so it can't be used as a standard for scientific measurements. There's really no convenient non-arbitrary standard for time.

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2.) The English system basis for comparing weight and volume seems much cooler to me. I like that a pint of water is one pound.
A litre of water is one kilogram. Your point?

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Oh, also - whoever created the mole as a basis for measuring molecules should be shot. 6.02*10^23 - where'd he pull that from?
The number of atoms in 12 grams of carbon-12, as you probably know already. Making the molar mass of a proton or neutron approximately equal to 1 g/mol has its advantages. Why not use 1 gram of hydrogen-1, you ask? Not sure. I suppose carbon was easier to purify and/or work with.

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Originally written by Thuryl:

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2.) The English system basis for comparing weight and volume seems much cooler to me. I like that a pint of water is one pound.
A litre of water is one kilogram. Your point?

Realized that after I wrote it - my bad. As for the mole, I'm about 10 years out of high school chemistry, so it's a little fuzzy. :)
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Originally written by Thuryl:

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In conclusion, the Fahrenheit scale is based on a completely random number and the temperature of a cow's anus.
Actually, 0 degrees Fahrenheit was the freezing point of a concentrated salt solution and 100 degrees was (supposedly) the human body temperature. Of course, Fahrenheit was off by a little in measuring the human body temperature; most people's is a little lower than that.

See, that's just historical revisionism. They're covering up the unseemly parts of Imperial History. The reason why Fahrenheit made the 'mistake' on human body temperature is he didn't measure a human's temperature. He measured a cow's anus temperature. Everyone knows a cow's anus temperature is 2 deg Fahrenheit warmer than the human body temperature.

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Why switch from the metric system? Well, for one thing, because it's already caused a 200-million-dollar accident. One of the Mars probes was lost because of errors in metric/imperial conversion.
You could either blame that on the switch, or on the fact that people are still using imperial at all.
Either way, just deciding one way or the other, rather than staying in a state of limbo would save America a lot of trouble. I read in my 1989 textbook that some states were gradually switching over. Madness.

EDIT: stupid spelling mistakes :(

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Er, that post of mine should have read switch TO the metric system. My bad. :P

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The problem is, whenever someone with a Harley Davidson (very popular in Germany) enters the motorcicle workshop, you have to have tools based on inches. Try to get these tools in Germany. Not every workshop owns them. And nearly nobody owns them privately! Every Harley fan has problems here!
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bigblue: This just proves once again that when I read too quickly, I mess things up. When you posted you were waiting for someone to ask for a conversion, I understood you were waiting for someone to *post* a conversion. :P So, yeah.
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...on second thought, he HAS surpassed my post rate.
1948 > 2435? :confused: Or what do you refer to?

Edit: *wince* okay, rate, not count. Again with the inattentive reading.

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American kids are supposed to learn the metric system. However, I can tell you from recent experience with fourth graders that it doesn't work. They spend so much time trying to figure out miles, feet, yards, gallons, quarts, pints, everything that they don't spend long on metric. It doesn't really improve in later grades.

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That is because any measurements are basically arbitrary w.r.t. real life. Generally it's difficult to get a good, intuitive sense for what '200 pounds' or '200 kilograms' means without either being born into a society which uses one exclusively or spending years and years working almost exclusively with one or the other.

I am fully aware that 15,000,000cm = 150,000 m = 150km, but I couldn't tell you if 150km could get me all the way to Los Angeles, or if 150km towards Seattle wouldn't put me in the Pacific Ocean, at least not off the top of my head. Oppose feet and miles, for which I can get a good, concrete sense at a glance -- not only of distance, but of range, travel time, even mileage -- and you can see why I'd be reluctant to use metrics in everyday life.

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The only country other than the US to use the inch/pound/ounce as a standard for measurement is Libya.
Just FYI.

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Go Libya! (This, people is actually what the Libyan flag looks like. Complicated.)

I know the metric system pretty well. All those prefixes. However, I the trouble is when you have to convert a metric unit into it's Imperial equivalent. Arrrghhhh!

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Go figure... and Libya hates us!

Anyway, I don't like measuring things. But when I have to, I prefer the metric system.

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Curiously enough, in a fantasy story or roleplay I'll often use other things than the metric system. Imperial sometimes, but occasionally totally made-up measures. It seems to give a more authentic tone to a fantasy setting for some reason.

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Measurements are for queens. I couldn't tell you what a foot was if it walked up and bit me in the ass.

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At least our monetary system is better than Englands. That makes almost no sense to me. And no it isn't because I've never seen the conversion factors but just because there are so many of them!
:mad: :mad: :mad:

:mad: Well, If you can't be BOTHERED to convert our EASY monitary system - :mad: use this! Maybe it'll help you convert it with your PRECIOUS US crap. ( I'm not complaing to the US :mad: stuff. 1 dollar is 57 pence, so thats nearly 2 dollars to a pound. It means stuff's cheaper for me!) :D

- Archmagi Micael :mad:

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Originally written by Archmagi Micael:

1 dollar is 57 pence, so thats nearly 2 dollars to a pound. It means stuff's cheaper for me!) :D

- Archmagi Micael :mad:

Only if you're importing from the US, or purchasing US goods from vendors who decide to pass the savings due to the relatively recent weakening of the dollar. Or touring in the US. I'm pretty certain though that you're not.

It's also assuming that those US prices haven't increased to compensate for the devaluation, which happens eventually. No one is stupid when it comes to pricing, and currency value fluctuations, especially among currencies as influential as the US dollar, are more than predictable enough to adjust easily.
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Granted, but for those who like lots of fancy electronic toys and designer clothes and the like, shopping in America has now started to make economic sense since the weak dollar more than makes up for the flight's cost.

Imperial measurements still lurk to a surprisingly large extent in British society. They have to, since trying to make my grandparents' generation adapt to metric would drive a psychopathic killer to floods of tears. Keeping road signs in miles per hour means that pensioners don't get confused and go 110mph rather than kph.

Things like furlongs only survive in horse racing and the chain (10 in a furlong, 80 in a mile) is regrettably almost entirely gone. The nautical mile or knot is still going strong, since there are few groups so reactionary as sailors. Nevertheless, everybody measures their height in feet and inches and their weight in stones. Although it now displays it on the pump in litres, people still talk of gallons of petrol and as long as milk is delivered in bottles, people will talk of the pint.

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Originally written by Archmagi Micael:

Well, If you can't be BOTHERED to convert our EASY monitary system - :mad: use this! Maybe it'll help you convert it with your PRECIOUS US crap. ( I'm not complaing to the US :mad: stuff. 1 dollar is 57 pence, so thats nearly 2 dollars to a pound. It means stuff's cheaper for me!) :D

- Archmagi Micael :mad:

Go easy on the smilies! In fact, I believe the trouble is not the new system but the old, completely incomprehensible system.

4 farthings = 1 penny
2 half pennies = 1 penny
2 farthings = 1 half penny
12 pennies = 1 shilling
2 sixpences = 1 shilling
4 threepenses = 1 shilling
20 shillings = 1 pound sterling
21 shillings = 1 guineas
3 third guineas = 1 guineas
5 shillings = 1 crown
2 shillings + 1 sixpence = half crown

100 small unit = 1 larger unit is eminently more reasonable.

—Alorael, who is sure he has seen a hilarious comedy skit about that system of currency. There is something truly astounding about any system in which one cannot always use increments of one denomination to reach the next denomination without excess.
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I think the creation of those increments had something more to do with the actual value of things, for example a farthing may be what a loaf of bread cost, while a pound of cheese may cost a thrupence.

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Um-Hm. Now people buy more things than just bread and cheese, hence our dollar and cents system. And yes, this is one of the very easiest ways ever to calculate money---of all time.

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I personally enjoy the barter system. It might have a few problems, but hey, it encourages people to work harder to get what they need. Builds character.

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Yeah. I miss the days when it was actually acceptable to haggle. It built character. It was still in the spirit of "survival of the fittest". You could actually get a decent price for something.

Dang it. Bring back haggling!

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Originally written by burglar ben:

Um-Hm. Now people buy more things than just bread and cheese, hence our dollar and cents system. And yes, this is one of the very easiest ways ever to calculate money---of all time.
Maybe, but what's with nickels and dimes? Over here we call a 5-cent coin a 5-cent coin.

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It's not our fault Australia is the second-most boring nation on earth, second to Canada. Many countries have slang terms for their currency. The US has a wide swath, but the UK has 'quid' at the very least.

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Originally written by Archmagi Micael:
Well, If you can't be BOTHERED to convert our EASY monitary system - use this! Maybe it'll help you convert it with your PRECIOUS US crap. ( I'm not complaing to the US stuff. 1 dollar is 57 pence, so thats nearly 2 dollars to a pound. It means stuff's cheaper for me!)

- Archmagi Micael
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Go easy on the smilies! In fact, I believe the trouble is not the new system but the old, completely incomprehensible system.

4 farthings = 1 penny
2 half pennies = 1 penny
2 farthings = 1 half penny
12 pennies = 1 shilling
2 sixpences = 1 shilling
4 threepenses = 1 shilling
20 shillings = 1 pound sterling
21 shillings = 1 guineas
3 third guineas = 1 guineas
5 shillings = 1 crown
2 shillings + 1 sixpence = half crown

100 small unit = 1 larger unit is eminently more reasonable.

Yes the trouble I had was with the old currency system not the new one. As I said in a post previous to the angry response :) . And as for the table of conversion factors- whats a spade guinea? Weren't pounds in there too? As for Australia- don't you guys have a slew of other slangy terms for other stuff though? It always "sounds" more interesting than the Americas but I suppose that reputation can decieve.
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