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I don't think it's ugly; it conveys what is said, and that's what apostrophes are FOR.

s' ALWAYS indicates a plural, by the way. 's can indicate a plural sometimes (women's shoes), but that's only because the language is screwy. Making s' ambiguous for aesthetic reasons - wholly artificial aesthetic reasons - is stupid.
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Originally written by Parody of Oneself:

In American English, the punctuation always goes inside the quotation marks at the end of the quote no matter how much it doesn't belong there.

Rupert says, "Hello, world."

I don't realize it, so I might ask a question:

Did Rupert say, "Hello, world?"

No, he didn't. He wasn't asking a question, but that's how it's written in America.

In the UK, punctuation only goes inside the quotation marks if it belongs in the quotation marks, so my question would be:

Did Rupert say, "Hello, world"?

[Edit: Sometimes, even with the best of "intentions," quotes can go "awry."]

—Alorael, who likes the UK's system much more. It mangles strings less. Actually, written language could adopt programming strings and make the quotes contain exactly the right punctuation inside the quotes and further punctuation outside the quotes. That would be much nicer.

I'm certain that is incorrect. I've never seen anyone write

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Did Jason say "Hello, world?"
(I do that because framing it in quotes raises another nasty set of grammatical problems.)

The stuff in quotes is what the person said. So

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Jason said, "Hello, world!"
would mean Jason excitedly said hello to the world, while
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Jason said, "Hello, world"!
expresses shock at Jason greeting the world rather than enthusiasm on Jason's part.

Single quotes are used as part of certain possessives (NOT plurals), where they have a different name; otherwise, they are for quotes within quotes, as such:

Alorael said "Jason said 'Hello, world'!"

If you need more nesting than that, you're a communist.

...

On the subject of apostrophes (which is what single quotes are when they're not single quotes):

's happens when the possessor is single, or a type of plural that is weird and does not end with an s.

s' happens when there's a plural. Period. For singular words ending in s, the situation demands an ugly but nonetheless necessary s's. (You certainly wouldn't say "Gus bus", would you? No. You would say "Gusses bus", because it is supposed to be Gus's bus.)

Apostophes have nothing to do with determining whether a word is plural, by the way. "Apple's for sale" is an abomination, unless it's a slangish contraction of "The apple is for sale".

Of course, this is a restrictive grammar. I'm of the opinion this stuff only matters when you're trying to convey information; I am not one of those people who will actually consider

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Fresh "Apple's"
hateful, because it's eye-catching and it conveys what it's supposed to in a way you can't do within the bounds of correct grammar.

Functionalism ftw.

EDIT: You do not write 1980's because it fits none of the qualifications for an apostrophe: it neither contracts anything (nineteen-eighties - the 'ies' is conveyed by 0s, and is simply a spelling peculiarity rather than a difference in sound) nor indicates possession (1987 is part of the 1980s, but it has nothing in particular to do with 1980 itself).

You do not write Dickens' because suppose the famous Dickens and his father owned something together - what would you say then, smart man? Not so clever now, are we?

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DID YOU KNOW? Alec is a tender-hearted fellow capable of giving unusually lucid and helpful counsel to people in need; Thuryl is a cold-blooded philosophical opponent of human life; TM gets along surprisingly well with large numbers of fundamentalist Christians; Arancaytar is an apparent fan of Abusive Trickery.

We are not what we appear.

Except, of course, for here!

Welcome to Stereotypically Yours, wherein you will post in conformity as absolute as possible with the way you have been stereotyped by the population of these boards, and your participation will be rated and scored by a shadowy panel of judges yet to be assembled.

You may employ quotes or images as props for the purposes of Stereotypically Yours, but don't get all Gallagher on us.

Go!
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Originally written by Marcelo:

Er.. maybe not a lot to do with the concept of this thread but I just wanted to tell you I am from Chile -I live in Chile- and I don't agree with most of what you say. Even though it's true the US wanted Allende out of the way, there were strong reasons for many Chileans as well to see this señor far away. The country was a mess at that time, and things under his government were not funny at all. The US agents wanted Pinochet to call for democratic elections 2 or 4 years later, but he said no, thank you very much. And he remained in power for 16 years.
I hope my contribution helps ;)
Saludos! :)

Elections are always a better way of getting things done than foreign invasion, as a general rule. At least they are when they lead to the way things are, anyway. :P
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Krizsan. No sooner had McCallister returned to his capital in glory - following his personal banner and that of the Enlightenment towering over the torn Hunter flag of surrender, flying upside-down - than the sky went black and the red star blazed.

The supernatural portent was difficult to ignore. McCallister, already well-liked, had begun to take on an almost mystic figure among the people.

His reforms proceeded in a dizzying flurry; most important to us at present was the formation of a mages' colony - to which all magic use was restricted and from which teaching was banned - on the Bigail shore.

For when news of the Rakshasi came to McCallister, the first place he set out for was not the nascent library of Krizsan, but Montana Colony.

While his mages were a little off-put by their seclusion from society, the provision of a place all their own was at least a somewhat mollifying gesture - and few harbored any outright resentment towards the Enlightenment's personable, dynamic leader.

So it was without delay that he learned of the worst.

...

Bolton. A guard leans up against a post in the western end of town. Something awful is going down up north, but Bolton - one of those towns that the chaos of imperial fragmentation seems to have forgotten - has largely been spared.

A booming horn calls out from the outlying forest, and men emerge.

...

Gidrik. Dozens of nervous guards patrol the gravel road leading out of the town. Everyone knows what is going on here; the news from Angel's Rest has spread to all areas under the Dominion's influence fairly quickly, and a lively terror has arisen in the region nearby. Between that and the sudden, inexplicable ceasing of Anama missionaries and raids out of Farport, Gidrik - although it faces no visible threat - bears the air of a city besieged.

As morning dawns, hundreds of men march from the southern mists - some on foot, some on horseback. The city guard is thrown into a full-out panic, and cries of alarm echo out as the Dominion liasion works to coordinate the defenses.

His initial suspicion - that they are facing some kind of Anama trick - proves horribly ill-founded. The army bears two identifiers: older armor and banners with torn or defaced Hunter devices, and one consistent device undefaced: a lidless eye staring from an equilateral triangle, from which rays extend in every direction.

At once, the men realize the contradictory truths of the army's arrival: that it is a relief force and it is an invasion.

And the commander of the guard, understanding perfectly how to resolve the issue, sends the liason to the Enlightenment lines.

...

Golddale. The Dominion liason from Gidrik enters the city, carrying a letter.

Eminencies of the Dominion -
We must respectfully and humbly inform you that the Enlightenment has annexed all of Valorim beyond the Sedge and Sharimik Rivers. Your forces are, until further notice, unwelcome west of the Sedge River, and any who choose to inhabit the territories west of the same shall henceforth fall under the full legal jurisdiction of the Enlightenment.

This will convey some advantages to the Dominion's apparent interests. The Enlightenment recognizes the right of mages to practice, so long as it does not serve a perverting influence on society; further, it is a staunch opponent of the expansion of the Anama faith by force.

We are also informed by various sources that there has been a resurgence of a sort of ancient tiger-demon in Angel's Rest. While we must treat the lurid rumors of the beasts with the staunchest skepticism, we are prepared to fight these 'Rakshasi' tooth and nail. Should you wish to assist us in this endeavor, we would welcome the help; however, our mages have informed us that they have various exotic and unpleasant properties when exposed to magical energy.

If your mages wish to assist in the effort, then, they would be wisest to consult with ours at the Montana Colony, where we have also assembled our martial officers.

We understand that our actions have been heavy-handed, but dire times call for drastic action. We apologize for any inconvenience.

In the name of the Enlightenment -
DIRECTOR MCCALLISTER.


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A new low: in this thread, we hold a conversation using images in General
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You've managed to string together four effectively useless propositions into a single post without hazarding a single original thought.

Congratulations: you lose.
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There's simply insufficient evidence to responsibly assert that God exists. There isn't even the order of evidence on which we assert that, say, quarks exist - no meaningfully visible model of God has any apparent influence on the universe, which is an apathetic territory of apparent chaos.

I privately hold to the belief there is a God, because I find it comforting - but when a situation would demand two different actions for a respectively God-bearing and Godless universe, I am constrained to act along the latter model.

And that's it for me and God.
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My friend is a young man - of average height and build, sandy-brown hair - who I met when we were both in high school. He's always been a tad cleverer than I have, and so his bizzare mental trends have been a pace ahead of mine. Used to be a lot more into anime and RPs and such than he is now, which is probably a good thing - he is not as young as he once was. He's taken to drink lately and his love life is the only one I know of that's actively worse than mine, but what can you do. He also spends a lot of time pretending to be pregnant.
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He stands perched on his hip, with his purse in his right hand, loosely clasped. His straight golden white hair flows easily in the wind, just below his shoulder. His makeup is flawless, as if hours were spent perfecting every detail. His eyes were replaced with sapphires, catching the sunlight with every turn. His body sends chills down every man's spine... but they'll never have him; he's gay.
POSTMODERNISM FOR THE WIN

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can i register by phone overseas? in General
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Originally written by Mc 'mini' Thralni:

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Originally written by Nikki xx:

Just remember that if you're calling from outside of the US,the phone call is likely to be quite expensive...

Otherwise, I see no problems.

This mainly depends on what the companie's tarifs are. If you have a cheap company, then you are safe. If not, well...

The call's unlikely to take more than a minute or so. If the costs are that prohibitive, there's always registering by email. Not quite as quick, but far less shipping.
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Originally written by Spidweb:

I will be content with the Civil Rights Movement until such time as I can think of something better.

Edit: Actually, if anyone should get the Oregon Treaty (which annexed OR and WA to the US), it should be me!

54°40' OR FIGHT!

- Jeff Vogel

Well, as Slarty said - treaties are a bit of the opposite idea here. ;)

And I think the Oregon treaty is actually covered fairly well by the one for Canada (although had I expected you to post here, I probably would have saved the country for you anyhow - no one has written quite so eloquently about the subject of annexing the country as the man who proposed turning Quebec into a gigantic mass of humanoid protoplasm) anyhow.

But thank you for your participation - I am supremely honored. (As one purveyor of chillingly inhuman mendacity to another, you understand. (Oh, and once the kids are old enough for MTV to raise, come back to the Scorched Earth Party. It misses you.))

Now, to get on the two-page backlog. :( I have well and truly shot myself in the foot here, offering mostly anti-American morsels to all comers! I had not expected so many comers.

And I'd delegate some to TM, but, uh, he's slightly less tactful than I. :P

(EDIT: Aran or someone with a similar prurient interest in this: could you helpfully rustle up a list of people without any avatar as yet, or who have only self-declared?

Oh, and to self-declarers: I am capricious, like the United States itself, or perhaps Stareye - ask for a conflict and you're almost certain not to get it out of spite.

Although I make an exception if it makes sense. Infernal being the only Israeli here I'm aware of - and a real sweetheart, insomuch as she asked nicely and gave me options - got Israel. Let that be a lesson to you.)

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The ASE is no more; McCallister is the Director of the Enlightenment.
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Originally written by Erika Maroonmark:

o_O;; What exactly is this?
Sign me up, I guess. =D

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Erika Maroonmark is Hungary; its efforts to stymy the United States include fighting against it in both World Wars, falling on the other side of the Iron Curtain, and producing Zsa Zsa Gabor.

Whatever we did to them, we're very sorry.
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I'll be a little while producing more. It's a daunting task.
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Originally written by Leena:

Moving on.......
Sign me up too

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Leena - as Nicaragua - completes the craven pretty-boy coward and President Ronald Reagan hat trick. The US occupation of Nicaragua in the 1920s - at the reactionary local government's behest - lead to lasting animosity between Latin American states and the United States military; the new government in Nicaragua evoked the legacy of Sandino, an anti-US freedom fighter from the Coolidge era, and any idiot with doubts about the Sandinista government was funded - over the legislated objections of Congress - and sent off to fight.

Where did those illegally-forwarded funds come from, you may ask? Why - bargain-basement arms sales to enemies of the US, of course! Even by the fairly vicious and inhuman standards of the neoconservatives, Iran-Contra didn't make a whole lot of sense, but Oliver North is an inexplicably heroic figure to a lot of people now. What can you do.

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Originally written by radix malorum est cupiditas:

I'm in.

If requests are accepted, can I have either Israel or WWII (holocaust)?

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Infernal is Israel, one of the more cuddly and successful apartheid states; it is notable for placing a greater onus on native-born residents of the country than it does on foreigners to gain citizenship, and simultaneously disenfranchising Palestinians and refusing to recognize them as sovereign. The US's generous military aid has allowed Israeli government after Israeli government to take a line belligerent to the point of infuriating with its neighbors and subjects, secure in the conviction that the support of the United States will keep them stronger than either or both put together.

For better or worse, the US is tied to Israel's fortunes, and is is the US's steadfast support for Israel that has lead to the seemingly irresolvable conflict between itself and the Arab world.

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Originally written by Tin:

I'm up for in.

But, I wish to comment on an earlier post too...
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...US has not actually fought any war directly with Canada
.

While this is technically true as Canada did not exist as a nation during the War of 1812, much of the defense of Canada against American invasion was provided by Canadian Militia and the war served to unite Canada and is an important event in the Canadian psyche (a watershed moment if you will).

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Fatman is Hawaii, whose indigenous, fairly enlightened monarchy was overthrown by US adventurers. As a direct result of the lobbying of the Dole Fruit Company, Hawaii - and her valuable sugar fields - were annexed to the US around the time of the Spanish-American War.
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Originally written by Imbanophobia 5567:

Put me in.
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Whoever the hell this is is The Iran-Iraq War, wherein Iraq - with the consent and blessing of the United States - fought a grueling trench war against Iran, which employed 'human wave' techniques that lead to Iraqi deployment of chemical weapons. US funding helped support Saddam Hussein in his more brutal period, and weapons bought with US funds brought horrible, choking death first to thousands of Iranians and then to thousands of Kurds. To blame here is - once again - craven pretty-boy coward and President Ronald Reagan.

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Originally written by Unaccomplished Lip Balm:

I never did take part in any of these. Anything left for us all?
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Riibu is Finland, technically an Axis belligerent during the Second World War and one of the better unambiguous cases of one democracy waging war on another. While Finland and the US never technically exchanged blows, every Finnish soldier fighting the Soviet Union meant one more German soldier free to fight on the Western Front.
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Originally written by Lt. Sullust:

This sounds like fun.
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Sullust is Grenada, which the US invaded for some inexplicable reason in the early 80s. Craven pretty-boy coward and President Ronald Reagan would decorate more men for service in Grenada than actually set foot on the island.

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Originally written by 2600 Hertzballons:

I'm a big John Quincy Adams fan. And was Canada really "very nearly" annexed? Anyway, uh, I guess I'm in.
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Slartucker is Cuba; seized from Spain in 1898 and replaced with a client state, Cuba is what you call a little country that can - fall to communism and anger the US into military and economic action that turns a strongman into a christlike figure. And Castro's physicians say he's healthy enough to rule another few decades, so look out, West! Communist Cuba will probably outlive you, even if it won't be too pretty afterward.
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Originally written by Kuranes-:

Let's blow up the forum in the name of the Lord! (by which I mean "Gimme one too!")

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Arancaytar is naturally The European Theater of the Second World War, wherein the United States played a crucial role in the defeat of Nazi Germany, which stands to this day as an almost archetypical example of evil. While US involvement in this conflict is almost always overemphasized by western historians, the second (Italy) and third (France) fronts opened by the US and UK certainly saved years of war and millions of military and civilian lives.

While US involvement did, quite fortunately put, a stop to the Holocaust while the killing parts were still fairly fresh, there is no indication this was a major policy objective of the United States - but rather a welcome side-effect of their efforts to stymy Red expansion. Accidental good is still good, though, so kudos all around.
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Originally written by Wonko The Sane:

Take me away.
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Wonko is The Philippine Insurrection, a bloody campaign fought by the US army against wogs with the temerity to demand an independent republic in the aftermath of the Spanish-American War. This included damn near everyone in the Philippines; the war was a bloody, years-long mess, resolved only by vicious scorched-earth tactics and (in some cases) out-and-out ethnic cleansing. The Philippine Insurrection remains one of the uglier chapters of American history, and is under normal circumstances swept under the rug when the Spanish-American war is discussed.
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Originally written by Spring:

I'm in. Put me down.
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Spring is World War 1. The US entered this conflict at a point in which both sides teetered at the edge of full-scale mutiny; they proceeded to dramatically bolster the morale of the post-Entente allies and play a crucial role in Germany collapsing significantly earlier than France. Wilson, having been a major player in victory over Imperial Germany, presumed to demand a fourteen-point plan on which a new world order would be established, including the formation of a League of Nations. Thanks in great part to the perfidy of William Randolph Hearst and his allies in the government, US involvement in the League of Nations was foiled, and the League would stand powerless as Japan expanded, Germany rearmed and bullied its neighbors, and Italy, in great ceremony, attacked the only independent state in Africa.
From the first World War arose the beginnings of the great superpowers: the dynamic alliance of democracies pushed for by Wilson and the ever-expanding Soviet state brought to the fore by Lenin.
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Originally written by Kingy:

Sign me up
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Kingy is The War On Drugs. This special 'war' initiated by Reagan - apparently to supplant that waged by Johnson against poverty - has lead to the incarceration of thousands, the price of some drugs skyrocketing and others plummeting, the complete ruin of the national stability and prosperity of several countries, and so on ad nauseam.

The 'war' is generally recognized as more or less empty sloganeering by anyone with a firm backing in global affairs; many countries derive a large amount of their economy from the transshipment or production of US-declared contraband. Over half of Afghanistan's economic activity has generally been in the production of opium-producing poppies; the issue has become contentious enough in Bolivia that a candidate demanding US respect for the country's traditions vis a vis the coca leaf has recently won the Presidency.

Any American who can recall the preposterous lies doled out in the DARE program or any foreigner who wonders why we're so very intent on throwing marijuana users into prison has known the influence of the War on Drugs.
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