Singleton Seeks Backpack
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Apprentice
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written Tuesday, June 22 2004 07:35
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One of the drawbacks of playing a singleton is constantly running out of inventory space. Once you’ve got food, lockpicks, a few key potions/scrolls/wands, maybe an alternate weapon ... you have very few spots for loot. I gave up on potion-making a long time ago because the reagents just take up too much space. What I need is a backpack. Or a scroll tube, or a potion bag, or a reagent pouch. Or a pack mule. All of these are WAY beyond my (pathetic) coding skills, but surely it can be done? Maybe something like Capture Soul – Simulacrum, but with items. Or maybe there’s a way to trick the script into stacking dissimilar items. Anyone have any ideas? -------------------- He's the man Whose name you'd love to touch, But you musn't touuuuuuch... Posts: 19 | Registered: Thursday, May 27 2004 07:00 |
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Shake Before Using
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written Tuesday, June 22 2004 09:59
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Implementing some sort of backpack that you can take between scenarios, outside of having a second character as a pack mule, would be impossible. Implementing some sort of backpack or holding space in a single scenario might be possible, but I'm really not sure how I'd go about it. Posts: 3234 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Tuesday, June 22 2004 12:26
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Is it possisble to create a scenario for the sole purpose of housing vast amounts of treasure, and of course have it be there when you return? -------------------- "Yeah-- you're right. You christians are far too persecuted nowadays. I mean it. We really should stop feeding you to the lions." --TM "Ancient Blessings" My unfinished (and likely to remain that way) BoA scenario. Posts: 135 | Registered: Tuesday, June 22 2004 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, June 22 2004 13:03
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There's no way to make a scenario do that, but you can make duplicates of items you have in a scenario. That means that you could go into the scenario, pick them up, leave, and get second copies of them (and third copies, etc.), but to be honest you'd have to delete the items from your storage scenario after retrieving them with your party. —Alorael, who doesn't know any way to have a scenario rewrite itself. If you can program that, you can make a scenario that works as storage without further coding intervention. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Tuesday, June 22 2004 13:08
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Well, I'd like it to be easier. But you win some you lose some. -------------------- "Yeah-- you're right. You christians are far too persecuted nowadays. I mean it. We really should stop feeding you to the lions." --TM "Ancient Blessings" My unfinished (and likely to remain that way) BoA scenario. Posts: 135 | Registered: Tuesday, June 22 2004 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Tuesday, June 22 2004 15:51
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If the custom item (i.e., the backpack) had its own script, couldn't you just copy that script over into all of the scenarios in your game folder, and then your backpack-toting characters would be free to move among them? Or am I completely misunderstanding how custom items work? -------------------- He's the man Whose name you'd love to touch, But you musn't touuuuuuch... Posts: 19 | Registered: Thursday, May 27 2004 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, June 22 2004 15:56
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Scripts on items won't carry over between scenarios even if there's an identical item with an identical script in another scenario. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Tuesday, June 22 2004 17:27
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Maybe you could use res edit to change the fact that inventory space can have more items. Posts: 249 | Registered: Saturday, July 26 2003 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Tuesday, June 22 2004 17:40
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Re: scripts on items not carrying over between scenarios... Do you mean only that the contents of the container wouldn't be preserved? Because I'd be willing to accept that. Or do you mean that even if character X had a backpack in one scenario, it wouldn't show up in his inventory in another scenario, even if it had a non-custom graphic (hmm. which one?) and the custom script had been copied over? -------------------- He's the man Whose name you'd love to touch, But you musn't touuuuuuch... Posts: 19 | Registered: Thursday, May 27 2004 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Tuesday, June 22 2004 17:42
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If you're going to make a backpack as an item, use the First Aid bag graphic. Unless you use a custom graphic, of course. [ Tuesday, June 22, 2004 18:34: Message edited by: Zephyr Tempest ] -------------------- -Zephyr Tempest, your personal entertainer Posts: 1779 | Registered: Monday, December 9 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, June 22 2004 18:00
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The second. All items with custom scripts are removed from your inventory when you leave the scenario. Posts: 422 | Registered: Tuesday, October 16 2001 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Wednesday, June 23 2004 06:24
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Even if you could some how work out transferring it from scenario to scenario smoothly.. the core idea is beyond complex. The idea of a 'backpack' I would go as far as to say would probably be impossible. Some sort of limited storage item... maybe.. but we would be talking about a whole ton of scripting just to save a handful of inventory slots. If you really want a backpack, just load up notepad, and write down any items you're 'owed', and use the character editor to add them in when you need them. This would be a million times simpler over the course of your entire life than even setting this up on the most rudimentary level. It's a neat idea, in theory, but in practice? It just can't work. As far as the treasure trove scenario I pondered that myself when I first started, but essentially the scenario would need to edit itself to allow this.. a thing which is not possible. Posts: 191 | Registered: Monday, October 1 2001 07:00 |
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Shake Before Using
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written Wednesday, June 23 2004 06:42
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Or you could edit it yourself after making a withdrawal or deposit, of course. However, most of my valuable but unused items end up pawned to the nearest merchant, not kept around. Posts: 3234 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, June 23 2004 10:10
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Instead of a backpack, it must be possible to go one better: Items in BoA are currently persistent, right? So you can have instead a pocket dimension. An object that operates by saving the current location of the player, teleporting him to the storage town, and then teleporting him back on a second use. Though this could be hugely abusable, and can only be used in town mode. Posts: 269 | Registered: Saturday, May 24 2003 07:00 |
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Skip to My Lou
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written Thursday, June 24 2004 08:21
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In BoE I just put the horse graphic in place of one of the uglier PC graphics, made another character and named it Pack Horse. I used the editor to make him slithzerikai, all strenth, health and defence. In combat, just make him run away. Makes combat a bit annoying sometimes, but it works. -------------------- Take the Personality Test! Deep down, you wish you were a stick figure. Posts: 1629 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Thursday, June 24 2004 15:24
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While you can't make a specially scripted item that stays with you, it would be easy to just edit all the scenarios you download to include the backpack item and then place a backpack right next to the starting location for you to pick up. You couldn't save items in the backpack but it would be almost as good as taking it with you between scenarios. (Just out of curiousity, has anyone used this trick to let their characters take Khoth's wands between scenarios?) But, it seems that your main concern with the backpack is for collecting loot. If this is the case, just add a merchant NPC called "Travelling Merchant" or whatever and include him hidden in each town. Then give the characters a special ability that unhides him and teleports him to their current location so they can sell him the loot as they pick it up. Even simpler, if you aren't that concerned with realism, it should be possible to make a special ability that transforms all items on the ground nearby into an appropriate number of coins. This would of course make it all too easy to get rich, but it would probably solve your problem. Posts: 32 | Registered: Saturday, June 12 2004 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Thursday, June 24 2004 20:45
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How could you script the item-coin node? It intrigies me, but seems impossible based on the editor's limitations. -------------------- ALBATROSS!!! -John Cleese !!!Long live Monty Python!!! Not a Chance! Long Live The Weather Balloons! Posts: 304 | Registered: Monday, May 27 2002 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Sunday, June 27 2004 11:27
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You're right. It can't be done with the calls available. You'd need at least a call for the item number of an item on the floor and preferably a call that returns a particular item's value. You could make an ability that turns all items of a particular type in the character's inventory (e.g. iron chainmail or gold ore) into coins, but it would be limited. I think it might also be possible to make an ability that turns a character's entire inventory into money, but this would be very, very dangerous if used accidentally. You would use a loop that calls has_num_of_item for every number from 4 to 449 or however many extra custom items there are. The script would know each item's price because you'd program a bunch of SDF's in advance with the price of each item. It isn't elegant, but it soulds like it would work. Sadly, since there isn't a call char_has_item_equip that would work on items without a special class, you couldn't protect equipped items, so the character would have to drop everything he didn't want rendered into gold. Needless to say, I don't actually thing this ability would be a good idea, just that it's theoretically possible. Posts: 32 | Registered: Saturday, June 12 2004 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Monday, June 28 2004 09:24
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Ooooh! Cool idea -- The Midas Touch scenario! Of course it could be very annoying if not handled well. Posts: 16 | Registered: Friday, May 7 2004 07:00 |