Racism in Avernum.

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AuthorTopic: Racism in Avernum.
Shock Trooper
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Thats kind of dumb how every race in Avernum or exile is hated by humans except for themselves. How realistic. And more realistic because of the races. The Nephilim are hairy and ugly, like the French. And the Slithsizarski are cold and scaly, like the Canadians. Was Jeff thinking of how stupid France is when he designed these games?

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It's spelled, Slithzerakai, and why don't you ask Jeff himself, as opposed to those who play his games?

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I remember you being more coherent before. Seek help.

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if you refer to the french as being hairy und ugly and so on, maybe you should look in the mirror next time before you attack jeff.

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With some notable exceptions like Commander Johnson, most Avernites seem to take at least a neutral view towards other races. I guess being the banished dregs of a society teaches you acceptance?

—Alorael, who thinks you're looking at it backwards. If humans on Earth can't get along with each other, why would they get along with non-humans on Ermarian? If there's anything dependable about people, it's bigotry.
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You would rather have the each race love and respect each other as equals in Avernum? That would be a tad too unrealistically fluffy, and where would the conflict be if everyone respected each other?

I disagree with the statement that most people in Avernum have neutral views about the other races. In certain cities, racism is a pervading theme with everyone's personality.

By the way, when I first looked at this topic's title, I seriously thought that this would be about how almost all characters are white and there are few dialogue pictures (from Exile) with black faces.

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Shock Trooper
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Yeah seriously, more black faces. but i don't know what I meant by this, I just hoped that little kids who played Exile didn't get any subliminal messages about being mean to other races or some crazy idea like that. Let's just lock this topic and forget about it.

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There seemed to be a liberal sprinkling of Hispanics, but the Asians seem to be the least reprsentead.

And of course, I like the racism in the Trilogies. It adds to the realism, however sad this may be.

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Law Bringer
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The Empire's complete fear of heterogeneous and complete willingness to practice genocide ensures a uniform skin color, more or less. Besides, it becomes more difficult to identify Avernites by skin color if there are already a variety of skin colors, including those that don't became translucently pale in the absence of sunlight.

—Alorael, who only assumes that some skin colors don't turn translucent when away from light. As far as he knows, it hasn't exactly been heavily tested.
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quote:
Originally written by Syntyrael:

cold and scaly, like the Canadians.
Die.

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It is late, but that comment about the topic being for the education of kids gave me a laugh, considering:

quote:
The Nephilim are hairy and ugly, like the French. And the Slithsizarski are cold and scaly, like the Canadians.


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Thuryl: I mean, most of us don't go around consuming our own bodily fluids, no matter how delicious they are.
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Alorael: War and violence would end if we all had each other's babies!
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Drakefyre: Those are hideous mangos.
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Shock Trooper
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quote:
and where would the conflict be if everyone respected each other?
I thought the conflict was with the empire. if the races of avernum would fight together against the empire rather then fight seperately against themselves, then it would be a lot better.

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Shock Trooper
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There are more reasons than what they look like that is separating the races in Avernum. The Slithzerakai don't like humans because they have invaded "their lands". Nephilim don't like humans because humans were the ones who sent them to their icy cold doom in Exile in the first place. The Vahnatai don't like humans/The Empire because they stole their Crystal Souls. The Empire doesn't like Exiles because they killed Hawthorne. Its not just the fleshy outside that is keeping them separated but what each society has done to eachother in the past.

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I am the way into the doleful city
I am the way into eternal grief,
I am the way to a foresaken race.
Justice it was that moved my great creator;
Divine omnipotence created me,
And highest wisdom joined with primal love.
Before me nothing but eternal things
Were made, and I shall last eternally
Abandon all hope, all you who enter.

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Shock Trooper
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good call

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Agent
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The Sliths and Nephilim are both feared and hated by the Empire as a whole. Maybe not individuals, but the leadership of the Empire is very biased against them.

Perhaps they are viewed as "strange" or "outlandish". In real life, Americans might be the same towards people from China. They would be more inclined to believe someone from their own country, holding a gun to their head, rather than someone from across the world, holding a loaf of bread.

They try to see similarities in someone who they think they might be able to relate to and connect with, rather than try to understand a new type of person and open their mind.

That aside, the Empire sent people down to Avernum/Exile because they were either dissenters or they weren't very nice people. Would you trust people like that if you had no conception that it was all the Empire propaganda machine?
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Ask yourself this question:

How would YOU treat a strange, scaly, green lizard man that is your new nextdoor neighbor? ;)

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I'd uh...go hi sir how are ya want some bugs I caught alot of flies today. :D

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I am from South America, here we don't have the same views as in other coutries. So, when I first read your analogies between the races in the game and the people of France and Canada, I couldn't help but think that YOU are the real racist by making such interpretations. What is the connection between sliths and Canadians anyway? why them?
C'mon!

[ Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:47: Message edited by: Marcelo ]

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call me a racist but i think that sliths r the coolest :)
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Shock Trooper
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Wow this thread is still alive? I thought it'd be dead after I made that rude canadian remark. I'm sorry if I offended any canadians with that...

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As much as this threads offends my sense of taste, I can't find any specific reason to lock it, so it lives.

And XK, it's actually not spelled "Slithzerakai," but slithzerikai.

There are those of us who are trying to break free of the racial stereotypes in the Avernum world via BoA scenarios (my Bahssikava), but it is a losing battle, I fear.

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quote:
Originally written by Waffle Guy:

call me a racist but i think that sliths r the coolest :)
Racist...

(The Vahnatai are better.)

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quote:
Originally written by Syntyrael:

Wow this thread is still alive? I thought it'd be dead after I made that rude canadian remark. I'm sorry if I offended any canadians with that...
Yes you did. Now you must die. :mad:

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Shock Trooper
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quote:
And XK, it's actually not spelled "Slithzerakai," but slithzerikai.
Geez, what what SW be without those compulsive speling correctors? :rolleyes:

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If you correct someone, you should at least be right. XK did, but he wasn't. That was the only reason that I brought it up.

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