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Infiltrator
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A couple of questions

I heard that there were alot of people against the Damage Cap in previous topics. So what's the news on that? Will they be removed or left as they are?

Also is there a possibility of more screenshots?

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Triad Mage
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There will be a damage cap and it will probably stay around 200.

As for screenshots, I can't control that.

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Guardian
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The damage system is reverting to A1/2 type, correct? I do believe that was stated at some point. Also, I tend to email Jeff a lot (from work, second only to my fiance (I'M GETTING MARRIED w00t)) and pop the request for more screenshots often. As you have all noticed, he ingores. :rolleyes:

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Warrior
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dang, i was gonna make an anti-magic scenario... and a damage cap would bite :(
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Guardian
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Not really. The whole purpose of an anti-magic scenario would be to further challenge the user, no? Sounds fair and useful game to me.

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Law Bringer
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No, the combat system will still use the inflated damage of A3. I wish it were otherwise, but to the best of my knowledge it isn't.

—Alorael, who would rather not see screenshots. It will look like A3, except for the editor, which has already been seen and which isn't visually exciting.
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quote:
Originally written by [E.E.P.:
Karzoth]
Not really. The whole purpose of an anti-magic scenario would be to further challenge the user, no? Sounds fair and useful game to me.
it is a guts n' glory type, i was also gonna rid projectiles. Nothing like a meat head quest. (i was still gonna leave in the breath weapon's Dragon season will be open when BOA is for windows :D )
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Apprentice
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heh. I''m sorry...I guess I am kind of out of the loop on this one :eek: .

When exactly did they put the damage cap in the games? Avernum? I don't think there ever was one in Exile...(thinks evil memories of "omni-god character")

And what is this "A3 inflated Damage?" I don't recall seeing any unusual damages when I played...course, thats just me :D

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Guardian
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Perhaps you never quite figured out how to give your characters skills. I've deduced that one can make the game a challenge (gasp) if they go skill-less. That of course, would drop any "role-playing", leaving us with an action/adventure.

And again, I'm confused as I specifically remember Drakey saying the damage is going back to the olden-times. I'll try to find the post...

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Warrior
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i remeber hearing that... anyway, for clueless, your max hit in avernum 3, regardless of your skill is always 190-199. so that is the cap we are talking about.
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Shock Trooper
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SpineRaker: You don't recall wandering through the Keep of Tinraya, or whatever that place is called, monotonously slaughtering Alien Beasts without ever entering combat mode? "Unbalanced" is maybe better than "inflated." However you slice it, some people have called it the narcotics-dealing approach to game design: sucker new players in with easy combat; by the time it loses its meaning, they'll be too far gone to quit. Good for the sales of A3; maybe not so good for BoA (some BoE scenarios have already turned into dreary arms races in an effort to make things challenging, and that combat engine has some teeth). It doesn't help that A3 monsters have all the small unit tactics of five-year-olds playing soccer, though at least that won't be a problem in BoA, if I understand correctly.

EDIT: Sorry for the superfluous post -- by the time I hit the button, the need had gone.

[ Monday, March 08, 2004 18:13: Message edited by: Boots ]

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**slaps on the cool shades of clueless** lol. I was just asking...lol. I try to keep up-to-date as much as possible :D . I hadn't noticed any of this myself.

As for the alien beast killing without entering battle mode, I thought that was an improvement over Exile...I didn't realise it was an unbalance issue...lol. (Just me... :D )

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Off With Their Heads
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Maybe I'm just lame, but I actually really liked the combat system in A3, doubling the damage cap and tripling the power of basic healing... I think other spells were stronger, too, but it's been too long since I've played for me to remember. Suddenly my insanely strong party did a properly insane amount of damage... I liked it.

Besides, with a high enough gymnastics skill, I hardly ever entered combat mode anyway.

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This Side Towards Enemy
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That made sense to a degree, but the insane ease with which you tear through bandits and the like in the early game is just silly. I don't object to huge quantities of damage, so long as you're suffering huge quantities too.

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The damage system was the biggest flaw in A3. There was no reason to choose power weapons because you could do about as much with a simple longsword. Your party cut through monsters like a flaming chainsaw through butter. Now the monsters did do a lot of damage. However, with the insane power of healing, if you survived one round you were fine. Also, hardiness was an unbalanced skill - you could get awesome resistance really easily. It was too easy even on torment.

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Warrior
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retribution in two horrific words: dark wyrm.

even at max skill, it still does 50 damage to you, and enfeebles you, it's sad like that.
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Shock Trooper
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I just got an e-mail back from Jeff. He says that the damage cap will be fixed in BoA. :)

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Shaper
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Fixed? Did he say he's removing it? Raising it? Or did he just say fixed?

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Or maybe he meant "fixed" as in scenario designers can't change it. :(

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Shock Trooper
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quote:
The damage cap will be fixed for BoA.
That's all he said. I interpreted it to mean that he's raising it, cause I specifically asked him to consider fixing it in BoA.

[ Thursday, March 11, 2004 07:59: Message edited by: Jawaj ]

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There is a damage cap for combat damage, but it is 999. Should be much less of an issue.

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Warrior
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hmm, that is much better... but i'd still prefer limitless... lol, wouldn't we all? anyway, the 999 works out just fine for my scenario, thx bundl3s d00D
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Off With Their Heads
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Doesn't that mean that we'll all be doing obscene amounts of damage? I remember maxing out pretty quickly...

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Shock Trooper
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Yes, but we can always give monsters insane HP.

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". . . yeah, but this one goes up to eleven . . . ."

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