Pralgad or Pralgrad?
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Law Bringer
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written Monday, August 22 2005 04:35
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This has bothered me to no end. I don't have access to the games right now (and can't download them either), or I'd check the spelling myself. With Google, I've found Pralgrad and Pralgad used equally often, and on these boards Pralgrad is used a bit more than Pralgad. I'm not asking for fan-established canon - I assume Jeff Vogel must have used one of these spellings consistently in the games, and I'd like to know which. If someone knows, I'd also be interested what gave rise to the other spelling... Edit: Likewise, Aixo or Aizo? I am reasonably sure it is Aizo in the games, but not entirely. [ Monday, August 22, 2005 04:37: Message edited by: Arancaytar ] -------------------- Encyclopaedia • Archives • Members • RSS [Topic / Forum] • Blog • Polaris • NaNoWriMo Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. I have a love of woodwind instruments. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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written Monday, August 22 2005 04:44
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It's definitely Aizo in the games; Aixo is one of Alec's inventions. Nobody's actually sure about Pralg(r)ad; we'd have to check. [ Monday, August 22, 2005 04:45: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Monday, August 22 2005 05:43
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quote:That's why I asked. :) -------------------- Encyclopaedia • Archives • Members • RSS [Topic / Forum] • Blog • Polaris • NaNoWriMo Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. I have a love of woodwind instruments. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, August 22 2005 05:51
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Well, according to the sources in Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page it's Pralgad. -------------------- These are my scenarios. I may have too much free time but I really don't care. Backwater Calls, Magus of Cattalon, Rats Aplenty Get them here Visit The Lyceum for all your rating needs. Posts: 211 | Registered: Sunday, January 30 2005 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Monday, August 22 2005 06:07
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After loading Avernum 3, and clicking the Xian Tome a few dozen times... I have this: Aizo, PRALGAD, Vantanas and Valorim. If you want to check, the book is called "Lands of the Empire". [ Monday, August 22, 2005 06:08: Message edited by: SupaNik ] -------------------- And when you want to Live How do you start? Where do you go? Who do you need to know? Posts: 2864 | Registered: Monday, September 8 2003 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Monday, August 22 2005 07:37
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Thought so. I just wonder why everybody keeps calling it Pralgrad. -------------------- Encyclopaedia • Archives • Members • RSS [Topic / Forum] • Blog • Polaris • NaNoWriMo Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. I have a love of woodwind instruments. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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written Monday, August 22 2005 08:04
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Knowing Jeff, it's possible that he did inadvertently refer to it as Pralgrad at some point in either the Exile or the Avernum trilogy. I don't really feel like going on a fishing expedition tonight, though. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Monday, August 22 2005 09:17
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One could of course use some kind of tool to look through the program - after all, if it is possible to unearth Anaximander's "easter egg" with that, it should be possible to find a mention of "Pralgrad" if one is there. Like you, I don't have the time to look, though. -------------------- Encyclopaedia • Archives • Members • RSS [Topic / Forum] • Blog • Polaris • NaNoWriMo Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. I have a love of woodwind instruments. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, August 22 2005 09:39
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The first and only reference to Pralgad in the Exile series is found at E3: quote:But who knows, there may be more in the Avernum series. :confused: Posts: 253 | Registered: Tuesday, October 9 2001 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Monday, August 22 2005 09:57
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To the best of my knowledge, the AT only has one reference as well, and it's exactly the same thing. It's definitely Pralgad. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, August 22 2005 11:31
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That reminds me, I was wondering why all the custom scenarios take place in "backwater" provinces and valleys. I DARE the next person to make a scenario that takes place in Valorim or main Exile/Avernum! (Of course, I could never for the life of me learn how to do scripting myself. Sorry.) -------------------- "Sometimes I get all hungry! And then I catch some flies! They fly into my webs! They are really yummy guys!" -Spider Posts: 209 | Registered: Monday, July 4 2005 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Monday, August 22 2005 12:19
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Re-making dungeons that Jeff has already made sucks. I know, because I did it for three dungeons in Bahssikava, and it's really lame. If someone could make the scenario editor capable of importing the floors and terrains directly from an Avernum game, though, it would be a lot more likely. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Monday, August 22 2005 13:18
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It's also more fun and exciting to make your own terrain. If you look carefully at all three Avernums, you'll notice that A3 has nothing at all in common with A1 or A2, and that A1 and A2 have more differences than are strictly necessary or even logical. —Alorael, who would like to point out that Valorim is a backwater, or at least a rough frontier, and that Avernum is even less settled and subdued. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, August 22 2005 13:22
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"Pralgrad" must be Russian. Leningrad, Stalingrad, Pralgrad... Posts: 259 | Registered: Saturday, June 1 2002 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Monday, August 22 2005 17:31
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It's mentioned in Exile/Avernum 2, when you see a statue of Prazac in Empire lands. Aixo is a mutation of Aizo from far in the future after a nuclear holocaust (Arena plotline only :P ) -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, August 23 2005 04:19
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I remember Alec played a character named Lena Xao in some RP ("Gethein Deludere?"). I *think* he mentioned her being Aixoan, with an x, but I'm not sure. -------------------- Encyclopaedia • Archives • Members • RSS [Topic / Forum] • Blog • Polaris • NaNoWriMo Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. I have a love of woodwind instruments. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, August 23 2005 04:35
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Ms. Xao was also one of Alec's characters in the Arena RP, and she was indeed an Aixoan. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Tuesday, August 23 2005 07:23
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Aw, Prazac! How did I miss that? :mad: :D But it's, again, in Exile III. This is what she answers when asked about her "Name": quote:As for the statues, they may tell more in A2, but in Exile II the texts are: quote:and, even shorter quote: Posts: 253 | Registered: Tuesday, October 9 2001 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, August 23 2005 08:05
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I spot two interesting points there. 1. "The Eternal Empire", capitalized... doesn't that mean it's a proper title? Allegedly, it's not the "Empire of Something" or the "Something Empire", because "there's no need for fancy names". But I guess it's not supposed to be a name. 2. "Scion of Pralgad, Highest Lady of Vantanas, Mistress of Valorim." A "Scion" is a descendant. Unlike the older Imperial houses (Sol, Ironclad, Baltimore?), who are allegedly of Aizoan origin, Prazac has Pralgadian ancestors. 3. "Highest Lady of Vantanas, Mistress of Valorim." No mention of Aizo, although she includes Vantanas which is barely settled. If she indeed is a Scion of Pralgad, does she harbor some kind of contempt/resentment for Aizo? What would that mean for the "Golden Age" that is often proposed to have begun with her reign? [ Tuesday, August 23, 2005 08:05: Message edited by: Arancaytar ] -------------------- Encyclopaedia • Archives • Members • RSS [Topic / Forum] • Blog • Polaris • NaNoWriMo Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. I have a love of woodwind instruments. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Nuke and Pave
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written Tuesday, August 23 2005 13:16
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quote:"Grad" means city in old Russian and is often used in city names. (Leningrad = city of Lenin, Volgagrad = city near Volga river, etc.) PS "Gad" (or I guess "gud") is a Russian word for disgusting creature (slime, snake, etc.), so I prefer the name Pralgrad. :) [ Tuesday, August 23, 2005 13:18: Message edited by: Zeviz ] -------------------- Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword, For it too has the power to kill. However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword, Can also have the power to heal. Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, August 23 2005 21:17
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quote:Because it's easier and more fun to make something small and dangerous than something big and boring. But there are BoE scenarios that take place in more settled places. At the Gallows occurs on Pralgad. -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Wednesday, August 24 2005 02:29
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Valorim is a backwater province :P -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, August 24 2005 02:44
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Arancaytar, I think most possible "Eternal Empire" is the 'province' name of Aizo. I don't know if Jeff has ever made an study on medieval Diplomatics, but many kings and emperors of this age named themselves "King of This-Land, Duke of This-Other-One, Count of Far-Island" and so on. And the name of the land (continent) may be different of the political unit's name. Posts: 253 | Registered: Tuesday, October 9 2001 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, August 24 2005 09:47
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I am pretty sure it's Aizo and Pralgad. quote:I thought the same thing. I'm actually working on a scenario taking place in a MAYOR port city of Aizo (of my creation). Of course, because of the demans of making a sceario in a cosmopolitan city, things are going pretty slow. I have made 60% of the plotline, about 10% of the actual game and about 5 custom graphics. Be warned, this scenario will have a very small outdoors. Most of the action takes place within the big city itself. (Making a whole province would be suicide or would most likely result in a lame scenario.) -------------------- "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work, I want to achieve it through not dying." Posts: 469 | Registered: Thursday, May 1 2003 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, August 24 2005 18:24
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Oh my, THANK YOU and thank the Lord for wonderful 5-karma gamers like you who are able to make scenario after imposible-to-script scenario so that loosers like me can sit on our duffs for a little bit longer of our pathetic, wasted lives! I truly can't wait for it to come out! Give me your address and I'll order a pizza for you!!! -------------------- "Sometimes I get all hungry! And then I catch some flies! They fly into my webs! They are really yummy guys!" -Spider Posts: 209 | Registered: Monday, July 4 2005 07:00 |
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