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Guardian
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Wow... I was thinking that all along. I didn't think everyone didn't know that that was a logical solution. Oh well... yea it is, and infact that's how it's done in most RPGs. Speaking of course about the grouped items with the numbers.

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Senile Reptile
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I'm not sure that would be better. It would require extra clicks, and most things that come in multiples are things that you wouldn't want to pick up, so they would (hopefully) get filtered out anyway.

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Posts: 1614 | Registered: Wednesday, January 23 2002 08:00
Warrior
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Profile Homepage #30
quote:
"Oh, and will we be able to drop items on adjecent spaces and put them in containers?"

No.
Aw.... crap. :(

[ Monday, January 13, 2003 03:52: Message edited by: Tarra ]

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Infiltrator
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quote:
Originally posted by A is A:
I'm not sure that would be better. It would require extra clicks, and most things that come in multiples are things that you wouldn't want to pick up, so they would (hopefully) get filtered out anyway.
Extra clicks? In avernum now, you click -once- to pick up items, so no extra clicks are needed. About the filtered items, I think one thing could be a problem. If the good/magical items would be shown only, you must be able to set which items that are "good". And change it, of course, since (in large scenarios) one item that would be counted as "good" in the beginning of the scenario could be totally useless in the end of the scenario. I don't know how difficut this would be to implent in the game engine, but I think it would be pretty hard. Again, I don't know.

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The Establishment
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You could assign every item a value from 0-10. Zero being "worthless" or "hidden" and in no order, with 10 being the best and at the top of the list. A long scenario would just need to use these numbers wisely so as not to have lots of high number items at the beginning.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Warrior
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I don't understand why one could not drop items into containers, It was possible in Nethergate.

Perhaps someone should blow the dust off their old source code.

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Posts: 123 | Registered: Sunday, August 25 2002 07:00
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You can't choose where to drop items because Jeff doesn't think it would be worth the extra click needed to determine where the item is dropped.

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Warrior
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Well, this might be one of those things you should be able to change in the preferences.

I'd also like to see viewing area size ( 9x9 11x11 13x13 ) changed in the preferences too, for slower machines.

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Shaper
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quote:
Originally posted by Motekye:
Well, this might be one of those things you should be able to change in the preferences.

I'd also like to see viewing area size ( 9x9 11x11 13x13 ) changed in the preferences too, for slower machines.

Yeah, that's a good idea. If you do that, I'll stop complaining.

Oh, and what about PC storage rooms? Will they be included? I have three sliths that I use to help me carry around all my stuff to sell, but I put them in the storage room when I'm done selling. If you don't, it's not a big deal, but I was just wondering.

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Triad Mage
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Since there are no joinable NPCs, I doubt that there will be storage rooms. Gold is plentiful anyway.

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Apprentice
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Is it possible to add "ask about" option (like in Exile games) into talking window? It would enable scenario designers to create passwords, riddles, etc., and be great convenience to players (input one word to display concrete sentence fastly). What do you think about it?

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Triad Mage
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Since that would require a major engine change, I doubt it will come to fruition.

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Shaper
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Actually, if there's a "Text Response"-like script, it might be possible to simulate it. Will that be possible?

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Law Bringer
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If there is a way to prompt the player for a text response with a script, then you could have a conversation option labelled "Ask about..." that calls the script. Unfortunately, I don't think any such script appears in the Avernum games, making its sudden appearance in BoA doubtful.

—Alorael, who does think that the loss of riddles and the ability to suddenly deduce what you need to ask is unfortunate. On the other hand, in BoE it is too often possible to stumble into dialogue for things you haven't done yet, often by accident.
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Lifecrafter
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Well, I never liked the text response, it can be abused seriously, I think being required to "learn" something before you can take stabs at responding to a certain encounter is the best idea.

Also, modifying the party would require some kind of safety feature, what if a programmer made a scenario, remembered to take away "Unlock Doors" at the beginning, but then forgot to give it back at the end, something like a "Restore Party Defaults" option would be nice.

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Posts: 780 | Registered: Friday, February 1 2002 08:00
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If they do that its bound to be sussed by the beta testers of that scenario, and should be corrected in a futere release of the scenario.

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Posts: 530 | Registered: Sunday, September 1 2002 07:00
Law Bringer
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Even if the alteration isn't fixed, the editor can easily be used to correct the problem. Restoring party defaults would most likely end up in the editor as well if it ended up in the scripts, but storing a copy of the party from the beginning of the scenario seems like a waste of space to me.

—Alorael, who would also rather not have his ideas for a spell and skill exchange where you can trade, say, Unlock and Light for Dispel Barriers quashed by party reseting. And if someone wants to make the Anama and enforce it, removing all mage spells is a good way to do it.
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Shaper
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Is Jeff even still checking this topic?

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Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00
Guardian
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I doubt it, LoL. Truth be told, he rarely posts (he might check, and take notes) on topics that he doesn't start. On ones that he does start, he'll check back for a couple of days then quit apparently. Oh well...

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Posts: 1582 | Registered: Wednesday, November 13 2002 08:00
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"Since there are no joinable NPCs, I doubt that there will be storage rooms.Since there are no joinable NPCs, I doubt that there will be storage rooms."

This will very likely be joinable PCs. And since the Avernum games already remember items you leave on the floor when you leave town, there will be storage rooms in the sense that every room in every town/dungeon is a storage room.

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Posts: 960 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Warrior
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Well, he seems to have proven you wrong on that one, EEP.

Anyways, I'd like to see mutiple levels of NPC hostility, rahter than just Good / Bad.

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Triad Mage
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By storage room, we both meant PC Storage.

Motekye, we will have many alignments to choose from and set up.

I thought you said we weren't going to have joinable NPCs but we were going to be able to have people follow the party around ...

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Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00
Warrior
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I would like to see NPCs that are part of the party, that way I don't have to control them.

But, there should be a control panel to control their behavior. And the player should be able to access their inventories.

[ Monday, January 27, 2003 01:50: Message edited by: Motekye ]

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Law Bringer
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An NPC that joins the party becomes a normal PC that cannot be controlled any more than other PC's. An NPC that isn't in the party can be controlled by scripts just like any other monster, but I doubt it will be possible to give the player access to its inventory. No, I don't know this for certain, but it seems consistent with the current engine.

However, I would like to see some way of checking NPC presence. That way, there could be places where NPC's who join you do special things, like a number of 5th-slot characters from Nethergate.

—Alorael, who was also under the impression that recruitable NPC's wouldn't be implemented. Apparently that's another thing that Jeff did somewhat accidentally, or maybe he changed his mind.
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"Apparently that's another thing that Jeff did somewhat accidentally, or maybe he changed his mind. "

The second one.

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